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The KPU protocol talked about so much has a lot to do with zinc deficiency. I do the KPU protocol, which includes supplementing zinc. After supplementing zinc, I ended up needing to supplement copper, too, which is normal.
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Like 50mg zinc glucanate?
Ideally I've heard that we have too much copper... but it eventually gets absorbed in the tissues and not blood. So when we do a blood test it's possible that we show up copper deficient.
When typically speaking it's zinc that we're deficient in.
Six, did you start adding copper and iron after having rapid heart beats at night? Was that the indicator?
Hmmmm Do I need a Hair Mineral Test to see what I need or can I start supplementing and going from there?
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I would take the "core" from biopure.us and save yourself a lot of time and energy.
It is the right formulation.
You might want to get tested for KPU through Vitamin Dx lab in NJ (I think that's the one) before using Zinc heavily.
Also, doing KPU will unleash metals (as will zinc supplementation) so you might want that amalgam out first and get an idea of where your metal levels are at (Dr's data 6 hr DMSA urine challenge test) before using.
Just my thoughts
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If you have a zinc deficiency you often have white spots on your fingernails. There should be a 3:1 ratio of zinc:copper. Zinc is important because it , along with selenium, helps convert the thyroid hormone T4 to the active form T3. So you could have symptoms of being hypothyroid, even while taking common thyroid medications that don't have much T3 and not be able to convert the T4. It is a powerful antioxidant. Wheat bran and oatmeal has some zinc - one cup of oatmeal would have about a quarter of what the requirement is. Look up foods with zinc.
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djf,
I still don't understand what KPU is??
-good look out on the mercury fillings (I get em out Feb 18th : )
I just KNOW that I'm zinc deficient. Of course there's probably a ton of minerals I'm deficient in.
It's all so confusing lol
Too many blood tests ahhhhhhhhhhh
EDIT: I am taking a thyroid supp that has... 10mg Zinc 200mcg selnium
*shrugs shoulders*
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Hair mineral tests are good, but not straightforward. This means that if you show low in zinc another mineral may be interfering with your zinc uptake. Increasing zinc may do zero in that case.
But hey ! Almost everyone here self diagnoses + self treats then complains. A lot.
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Hair tests aren't cut and dry. You might show a mineral in your hair that is not being absorbed by your body. Or, you might show that there is not a metal like mercury, but it is there, just tied up in tissue. Someone needs to interpret the test. I'm not a big fan of hair analysis.
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And what the heck is ART?
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Testing for zinc and copper is really difficult to get accurate.
Hair testing isn't known to be accurate (lookup pubmed studies on this).
Blood tests aren't especially accurate either. Although perhaps they could be useful for a frank deficiency.
The zinc taste test may be helpful as a rough estimate type of thing, but there isn't an easy way to measure the exact levels of zinc in your body, nor copper (without some odd and probably impossible to get tests).
Best way may be to measure intakes from diet, and estimate based on symptoms, any drugs which may influence zinc status, and get a rough estimate from blood/taste tests.
I wouldn't supplement over 20mg of zinc or so without knowing you have a deficiency for certain, as higher zinc levels can suppress the immune system. I am aware of one study using 30mg zinc which negatively effected lipid numbers (albeit in the elderly only).
A 10:1 zinc/copper ratio may be optimal, but 15:1 is okay too. Just don't go crazy adding lots of zinc, as besides the possible problems it could cause, you may throw off your zinc/copper balance.
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Ok. Thanks guys.
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ART = Autonomic Response Testing, per Dr. K.
And hair testing - IME what the labs recommend is typically not right ! Sorry
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I guess going off of symptoms will be only choice.
There's a billion things that could be causing these symptoms though lol
That's why it's all hit or miss with these protocols.
GRRRRRRRRRR
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"That's why it's all hit or miss with these protocols."
Not at all IF you know how to interpret tests correctly.
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GiGi,
Thanks. Just read it all.
I'm doing most of their recommendations for treatment as it is.
Minus the 250mg zinc (then added copper) and the Biopure product.
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Playing with adding or subtracting I N D I V I D U A L minerals is not recommended by the few that understand how it works (they still argue about it amongst themselves!) It can can be a double edged sword; i.e. we know that zinc can carry metals into the brain redistributing them as well as it can carry them out of the system under optimal conditions.
The mineral and zinc taste tests that were popular ten years ago have proven to be inaccurate. Don't use them. (per Dr.K's experience and discussion at a recent Conference)
Canefan, here is another attempt at trying to explain the philosophy behind ART (Autonomic Response Testing) that has been developed over many years into what it is today, by Dr. K. He used to be my doctor when I needed one and I got well following treatment with ART based on his total body approach. Anyone with some medical background or desire to learn can take the courses at the Institute of Neurobiology where Dr. K. teaches and holds extensive seminars, several here in the US, and several all over the world. In February he will have his "Healing the Brain" seminar and besides his own lecturing there will be high caliber medical people speaking from all over the world sharing the latest.
He has been teaching ART all over the world. There are hundreds of ART therapists in Europe who have to pass an exam before they can call themselves by that name. Sadly the exams are not done in this country, with the end result that many people take one class and then call themselves ART practitioners altering and changing a method that has carefully evolved over a number of years - to suit their own comfort level. ART has evolved over the years and unless people update their training, they are lacking,
I have tried my hand at ART, but since it is not something a person can do themselves, I have learned to test with a biotensor. When I really want to assure that I am moving in the right direction with family or friends, I seek verification from the real ART experts. I do wish there were more, but this is a huge country, and that's where the Europeans have the benefit of practitioners getting together in groups and refreshing their training, exchange of new discoveries, etc.
All you need to do ART is get trained and have good arms, a healthy (very important) second person and a person to test. It helps to have good common sense to distinguish one condition from one that needs emergency attention.
I can understand it is difficult when you hear all these different approaches of energetic testing, kinesiology of various sorts, testing that involves machines programmed by humans. But there is only one ART, all other methods are very different. It definitely is not what is called Applied Kinesiology which is performed by many.
ART is used along with traditional tests to determine the root causes of illness. It is not used to diagnose diseases.
ART is different from other forms of muscle testing in that is uses the latest findings of quantum and biophotonic physics to aid in the assessment of the body. Art often finds things that are missed with traditional kinesiology. ART practitioners in general also have the ability to test for a wider variety of root causes of illness, including specific infections, toxins, and emotional disturbances.
Hope that helps, thanks for asking.
Take care.
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Thanks GiGi.
Interesting to say the least.
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Zinc is the metal cofactor of Borrelia burgdorferi peptide deformylase.PMID: 17977509
Bb uses/robs us of so many nutrients that we need, it is mind-boggling.
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Marnie,
Is supplementing with small amounts of Zinc to see how I react worth trying?
I'm baffled as to how someone starts zinc supping.
Most LLMD's like to replenish what is getting stolen (magnesium, etc)... so why is zinc different?
I want zinc damnit!! hehe
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It isn't different. It's just so friggin hard to restore everything that Bb is depleting and get it to where it is needed.
Getting the body back in balance is extremely hard, but we need to in order to fight Bb.
I think there is another way to do that.
432Hz is the Rife frequency to destroy Bb. It just happens to be called the "Universal Frequency". 432Hz is "Perfect A" in musical terms (Verdi and Mozart). Restoring that frequency impacts the others which impact (correlate with) our chakras.
Are you open to learning about balancing our chakras (spiral energy fields)?
Can we use sound to heal? I think so.
PM me if you wish and I will try to talk you thru this possibility.
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"so why is zinc different?"
It is not.
Balancing mins is like a dance. Other mins help get it in + others keep it out.
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mass,
I understand. But the consensus is don't supplement until you've tested your levels
But don't test because they are inaccurate.
So trial and error?
Mass... if you don't mind me asking... what do you supp?
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