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Hi, on my IGENEX IGM test, band 31 was a very positive +++ and 41 was just a +, and the category (83-89) was just a +. No indecisive(s).
On the IGG 41 was a +.
NOW here is my question. I think I read somewhere that 41 means flagella or something? Or was it something else...
does that mean that SOME TYPE of bacteria or something with a flagella is present? In NORMAL HEALTHY people, should they have some organism with flagella in their body?!?
With college, and life coming at me, and job issues, and this lyme disease question, I just need to figure something out. I feel like screaming (literally). I have to go back to the ID duck today my mom wants me to go and this is the LAST time I am going to that guy, he doesnt beleive I have lyme or anything else for that matter.
BackinStOlaf
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41 can be any flagella but it shows up in people with Lyme
Your other positive bands are specific to Lyme so it can't be anything else causing those bands to show up
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The number of people exposed is in the millions. The reason you can't get treated is they have decided that only early disease merits diagnosis and treatment. The bacterium itself is the most bizarre human bacterial pathogen known, and is poorly understood.
They don't know how many people are carrying a permanent relapsing brain infection. you can't get diagnosis or treatment because they have to pretend it doesn't exist and use labels like 'post lyme' and 'CFS' etc. for those who manifest illness.
Look at what Steere did in his 1992 study which is the foundation for the CDC serodiagnostic standard. He and others often look back on this and refer to a 'normal' control, but in fact the control was taken from sick people...MS sufferers, CFS sufferers, in sum, conditions which could have been caused or complicated by late Bb infection. Moreover, he threw in 25 syphilitic patients which constituted 20% of the control. Hoever, syphilis itself has an annual US incidence of 3 per 100,000.
This statistical chicanery, which fudged the result at 41 kDa on Bb blot by many multiples, is significant, because syph serum will cross react at 41 kDa to Bb western blots. It allowed them to 'swift boat' the importance of the reaction to 41 kDa, which is the earliest and most consistent human ab response to Bb infection, being present in all stages as opposed to the rest of the proteins which are variably expressed according to stage, tissue type, even temperature.
Flagellin {41kDa} is necessary for Bb to survive under all conditions, and is constantly expressed, including in late CNS infection. Yet they chose to swift-boat this response.
Why? It's for political and economic reasons. telling the truth about diagnosis and treatment results in mass panic and probable economic collapse/political revolution. it's likely a bioweapon. North American disease is different from European disease...lack of CSF antibodies, for instance.
A much larger range of serum resistance to host species in wild{allows Bb to infect a much wider range of species, important in disease spread and maintenance in wild}. The CDC has found that Bb 31 goes intracellular in CNS cells.
Telling the truth threatens the careers and livelihoods of the very individuals who control this issue and who have actively lied and deceived and otherwise operated a scientific propaganda campaign for the past 15+ years, profitting from the campaign as they went.
Lyme disease, which in the US also perhaps includes other pathogens notably a bioweaponized bartonella, threatens the entire establishment. If late disease was rare, we'd be able to get treatment. Unfortunately, the EIS/CDC,DOD totally screwed this up and tried to make money off of the disease, making profitability their first priority as opposed to protecting the health of americans.
Think about this...Allen Steere wouldn't listen to Polly Murray in early 90's when she reported a big incidence of neuropsychiatric disease in lyme. She had to call Fallon. Now, Fallon has overwhelming evidence of a serious disabling relapsing brain condition which is not easily treated.
Global hypoperfusion on spect/pet ain't normal folks. Don't you think the CDC etc. should be breaking their balls trying to figure it out? Instead, we see nothing at all, only continued attempts to deny illness and obstruct treatment.
Obviously, they know what is going on, and have determined that the best course is to do nothing, to cover up, knowing that in doing so, they are condemning large numbers of people to perpetual diagnostic and treatment hell.
Think about it. It's a horrific scandal and I'm not sure how much longer these *******s can keep control of it.
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karenl
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I personally guess that band 41 shows up in patients with the " Fry" protozoan. Can be a co-infection.
There are many posts about the protozoan and the biofilm test. I have 41 only, nothing else. This is only my very private opinion.
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I am only positive on band 41. My kids, however, have identical bands and are Igenex positive, but the little guy is much sicker.
When my doc called the doc at igenex, he assured her that Band 41 is Lyme. I've been sick for 24 years. My body has learned to work with lyme, and doesn't show anything but band 41.
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Good for you lymetutu. You got that right!
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There is a chart that shows what % of the healthy population vs. people with Lyme have each band. It was presented by the younger Dr. H of Igenex.
It showed 40% of the healthy population will test positive for band 41. I am not sure if that was IgM or IgG...I don't think the graph made that clear.
Did you get the band 31 confirmation test from Igenex?
In my personal opinion, band 41 is not something someone should worry about too much, since healthy people can show it, and we probably don't know everything that can cause it. But, you need to take into account the clinical picture and the likelihood of having Lyme based on symptoms.
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Hoosiers51
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For those of you that haven't seen this graph, check this out. A picture tells a thousand words.
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Also, to answer your question, I'm sure there are many normal people that have something with a flagella in their body.
If I were you, I'd be worrying more about band 31 than 41, if the 31 confirmation test was positive.
Overall, none of the bands you have can point to Lyme specifically (without cross-reaction), so you are working with a clinical diagnosis overall, unless more bands eventually show up like 23 or 39.
If you go back a couple of pages on that slideshow (in the 70s), you'll get more explanation.
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Pinelady
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I think you needn't look
further for Lyme... But that is not saying you
don't have other bacteria or virus' that are common
with Lyme. And those can commonly mess with the
tests also.
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