quote:Originally posted by janice victorov: [QB] I've had massive yeast and now on diflucan for the past three days. OMG, the brain fog was horrible from the yeast.
Today, tired, joint pain, headache, chills. Can candida die off cause these symptoms?> Janice
Sure can... and usually does.
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thanks for all your imput. Feel a little better. Drinking tons of water, charcoal, vitamin c.
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I personally didn't really have symptoms of yeast (i.e. yeast infections, white coating on tongue, stomach issues..). However, my dr. ran a blood test for candida albicans that showed elevated IGG/IGM. He put me on Diflucan daily and I switched to a stronger probiotic, etc. I also became more strict with my diet. I would say the herx from Diflucan was/is the worst I've had so far, it makes me feel like I'm losing it. Even though I didn't have many obvious symptoms of yeast, it is clearly a problem for me!
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my symptom of yeast is the red fingers around the nail and plenty of thrush. plus itchey personal areas -- drives me nuts...
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Hi all, skies, that's how I felt yesterday like I was losing my mind.
How long did you herx from the diflucan? Today for me wasn't that bad drinking tons of water, lemon. Not much of an appetite.
Did you have joint pain?
If you don't mind, what is the stronger probiotic you are on?? I'm on florastor and another one by yarrow.
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DIET, DIET, DIET is the key. Then, be sure to follow the 5 step plan outlined below. It was developed by my naturopath. It works.
"Successful control and elminiation of a Candida Albicans overgrowth requires a multifaceted program as described below. Failure to follow ALL the steps simultaneously will result in slow progress and will lengthen healing time significantly. The program should be tailored to the individual and must balance the need to eliminate the Candida and deprive it of its food source while insuring proper nutrition for the individual."
Five Steps to Candida Elimination:
1. You must starve it into submission by eliminating its food source.
2. You must kill it with anti-fungal herbs and supplements. [e.g....garlic, onion, caprylic acid, Pau D'Arco capsules or tea, clove, grapefruit seed extract, olive leaf extract, oil of oregano, tea tree oil, Echinacea, Goldenseal, black walnut, MSM, barberry root, uva ursi, neem leaf, biotin]
3. You must reestablish the proper balance and quantity of probiotic bacteria in the digestive tract. [...multi-strain lactobacillus acidophilus and bifidus capsules with FOS should be taken between meals to maximize repopulation of the digestive tract by beneficial bacteria.]
4. You must reestablish proper levels of all B vitamins (yeast free) and utilize other immune enhancing supplements to boost immune system function. [e.g ... B complex vitamins (yeast free), biotin, beta 1-3 glucan, colostrum, maitake mushroom, vitamins A, C, E, zinc and selenium]
5. You must cleanse and heal the digestive tract to promote proper elimination of toxins and Candida and assimilation of nutrients. [e.g...chlorophyll, MSM, omega 3 fatty acids found in flax seed and salmon oils, GLA found in borage, evening primrose and black currant oils. Pantothenic acid, digestive enzymes between meals]
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quote:Originally posted by skies: I personally didn't really have symptoms of yeast (i.e. yeast infections, white coating on tongue, stomach issues..). However, my dr. ran a blood test for candida albicans that showed elevated IGG/IGM. He put me on Diflucan daily and I switched to a stronger probiotic, etc. I also became more strict with my diet. I would say the herx from Diflucan was/is the worst I've had so far, it makes me feel like I'm losing it. Even though I didn't have many obvious symptoms of yeast, it is clearly a problem for me!
-- Very true for SO MANY PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD!! They don't realize they have it and are wondering why they have so many awful symptoms.
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thanks . will try the theralac. Did you have joint pain with the yeast? I am and it's annoying.
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I've started VSL#3 as well as S. Boulardii by Original Medicine. I'm still suffering from die off from the Diflucan.. I had to stop taking it for a few days to give myself a break..then I restarted and did every other day breifly and now I'm back up to taking it once a day. I don't experience joint pain from it, but virutally everything else..brain fog, depression, extra fatige yet trouble sleeping, itchy skin, and even some breakouts. Not pleasant.
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yeast symptoms are almost exactly like lyme and the die off is worse.
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So how in the world do we know which is which? Maybe my Lyme is gone and I am just filled with yeast? How can we become symptom free? This is sooo complicated.
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I never knew this about difulcan? I have been in so much pain and so tired I can barely get out of bed for a week. My LLMD gave me diflucan for a vaginal yeast infection?
Is it possible this medication is causing all these new symptoms. He just told me to stay on it twice a day as long as I am on abx so I started it up once again today!
OMG am I gonna pay for this once again? I thought it was the zithromax he added on, but it seems to be the diflucan. Maybe two a day is way too much since I cant get up from the couch without yelping in pain everywhere and my dizzies are back again.
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Is there a test you can do to find out if you have too much yeast or candida? Does it show in bloodwork at all?
I am about to go to my GP and would love to find out if this is the cause.
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quote:Originally posted by fflutterby: So how in the world do we know which is which? Maybe my Lyme is gone and I am just filled with yeast? How can we become symptom free? This is sooo complicated.
I would make sure your diet is very clean, take the best probiotics you can find and get some treatment for yeast.
If you react to the treatment then you KNOW!
Blood testing misses A LOT of yeast/candida.
I've always said... "How will you know when to STOP Lyme treatment if you have yeast also?"
So make sure you do not have yeast. Treat for it. If you feel better (after the herxing) then you know where you stand.
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I am currently taking Florastor, Ultimate Flora 50 and Theralac. How do you treat it? 10 days of Difflucan ?
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quote:Originally posted by fflutterby: I am currently taking Florastor, Ultimate Flora 50 and Theralac. How do you treat it? 10 days of Difflucan ?
I think that depends on the severity of your candida problems..I think many are on it more quite a bit longer than 10 days. But, it depends on your situation.
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I dont think I have candida but my LLMD has me on diflucan everyday anyway. Is that bad?
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I am using natural products to treat, and have been on them for a month now...that and a sugar free, GF/CF diet. I definitely notice a difference. When I was treated several years ago with Diflucan, I was treated for 3mo with no recovery and had to stop as it can affect your liver.
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quote:Originally posted by annier1071: I dont think I have candida but my LLMD has me on diflucan everyday anyway. Is that bad?
I don't know. I had to take it periodically during treatment but not sure I would want to take it everyday.
Yes, it CAN affect your liver, but I've taken tons of it and it has never caused me problems in that regard. Be sure you get bloodwork every few months though to make sure.
flutterby... You may need a month's worth.. You'll know by how you respond to it.
There ARE natural things you can take as someone mentioned. See my list above in an earlier post.
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"You must kill it with anti-fungal herbs and supplements. [e.g....garlic, onion, caprylic acid, Pau D'Arco capsules or tea, clove, grapefruit seed extract, olive leaf extract, oil of oregano, tea tree oil, Echinacea, Goldenseal, black walnut, MSM, barberry root, uva ursi, neem leaf, biotin]"
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one problem is that a lot of doctors won't prescribe it. you have to practically beg for it and even then they won't.
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I know, randi. I have a very smart PCP and he will.. but my GI dr is stupid and doesn't even believe in candida .. except vaginally. Does that make any sense AT ALL?
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My LL Dr. will give it to me if I want more, I had a mild vag yeast infection and it was gone after two days on diflucan last week. (Musta been the cake:()I am also doing echinchea and olive leaf extract.
I have had a headache since Sept. Sometimes it gets worse and I was wondering if it is yeast.
My GI Dr. is an @$$hole too.
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I got something called Mycostatin today for yeast, have you tried it?
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quote:Originally posted by Caniggia: I got something called Mycostatin today for yeast, have you tried it?
I just looked it up and it's the powder form of Nystatin. Should work well. I hear it's a little nasty tasting though. Let us know what you think about it!!
PS.. It will only work for the mouth, esophagus and gut.
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The taste is ok. It has a mint taste. You keep it in your mouth for 1min then you swallow, you do this four times a day.
What else can I take for the rest of the body?
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I am using Yeast-Cleanse from Solaray, as well as an additional garlic supplement Kyolic for Candida and digestion. I have been on both for a month and I definitely notice they are working. Small herx, but nothing horrid. I am going to stay on for at least 3mo. I have systemic Candida which was determined through a stool test...better than blood, so said my Dr. at the time.
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quote:Originally posted by Caniggia: The taste is ok. It has a mint taste. You keep it in your mouth for 1min then you swallow, you do this four times a day.
What else can I take for the rest of the body?
OH thanks.. Never heard of one with mint. Hope it doesn't contain sugar also!!
For the systemic candida you would need Diflucan or Sporonox... things like that.
Candex (OTC) is also good for the gut version.
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quote:Originally posted by Lymetoo: OH thanks.. Never heard of one with mint. Hope it doesn't contain sugar also!!
For the systemic candida you would need Diflucan or Sporonox... things like that.
Candex (OTC) is also good for the gut version.
Thanks, I'll try to get my doctor to give me one of those too. I'm having garlic to practicly everything I eat.
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my doc started me on diflucan as soon as he put me on the doxy so i am taken them at the same time 3 weeks of diflucan then 3 weeks of sporonox.
do you think this means i will be fighting the yeast at the same time and won't have to deal with it having a yeast problem at all?
has anyone else been given them at the same time?
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Anyone get horrible sinus drainage from yeast die off?
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I have clogged sinuses, which I believe are from an overgrowth of yeast after my LLMD ramped up my abx dosage and my body could not deal withthe change. So I can imagine that the drainage would be terribly yukky as it's leaving.
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quote:Originally posted by jennie46: Anyone get horrible sinus drainage from yeast die off?
Absolutely. Have woke up with sinus infection symptoms since treating yeast several times that went away as the day went on. If I feel it coming on strong, I up vitamin C, take colloidal silver, and take a long nap after work that day and it improves.
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I can say that the yeast has arguably made me feel worse than lyme disease did. It really is coin flip. I knew that yeast was getting bad when I started to be nauseated after every meal. It wont die b/c i cant stay flour/sugar free
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I wasn't sure if the sinus drainage was from yeast or bart herx. All I know is I feel like I have a full-blown case of the flu.
PCP today said drainage could be from bart since it affects the lymph nodes. I was surprised he mentioned that since most PCPs don't know squat about lyme & co. He is great doctor IMO and works with my LLMD by doing labs, etc.
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quote:Originally posted by Clint31: I can say that the yeast has arguably made me feel worse than lyme disease did.
Not to minimize Lyme & Co .. but I've been feeling the same way lately. Just can't get rid of this junk!
To others... Don't let yeast make matters worse for you!
Minerva.. That is a good plan.. but make sure your dr is checking your liver enzymes every few months. Many use Nystatin while going thru treatment as it does not affect the liver.
BUT.. I think taking at LEAST one week of Diflucan/sporonox a month is a really good idea.
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i feel somewhat nauseated every time I eat. It has improved with treatment of yeast, but it is not entirely gone. What is this? Is this yeast problems or something else? When I take antibiotics I have terrible stomach problems now
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have you ever had a HIDA scan of your gallbladder Clint31? You sound like you may need one.
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I was directed to this thread after posting myself. I had no idea how lethal Diflucan can be. I had also started Ceftin a few days ago so wasn't sure which of them was impacting me, but I was totally confused driving yesterday. It was scary!
I also have dry eyes now--does Diflucan cause that? Ceftin? Or could it be all of the antibiotics I have been taking since Jan 1 catching up (been on Rifampin, Flagyl , was on Doxy that was replaced w/ Ceftin).
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