Topic: The basic difference btwn. Armour & Synthroid
djf2005
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I assume the more learned of you already know this, but as I previously did not, I thought I would share it w/ those who are unaware.
synthroid= synthetic T4
Armour= dessicated thyroid gland (porcine), not just T3(cytomel) or T4.
IMO, ALOT of Drs Rx Synthroid automatically w/o evaluating what specifically your thyroid needs.
There is a huge difference btwn. what these two meds are, and also what they do.
I recently had Rt3 (reverse T3 run) and it came back slightly abnormally high. This basically means my body is not utilizing the T3 it is producing correctly, so supplementing w/ Synthroid would worsen an already complicated situation because my body is already confused w/ what to do w/ the T3.
Armour on the other hand, is simply whole dessicated thyroid gland, NOT just T3. I always felt more fatigued when I took synthroid and never new why. Now I do.
Short story, if you suspect you have Rt3 issues, have high free t3, or are just dissatisfied w/ Synthroid, Armour may be a much better choice to help correct endocrine malfunctions.
It's funny, because I knew there was more to this, and only after brainstorming w/ my new local LLMD who follows DK and actually listens to me did I come to understand this information.
Pharma wants Armour shut down. It's expensive to make, does not have a large profit margain, and it has sold more than syntroid has in total units.
Anyway, hope that's helpful. I found it to be extremely interesting. I thought of Synthroid and Armour as the same thing, but they are very different and should be evaluated as such according to one's unique needs.
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You should dive into it even deeper. Because it's much more complicated.
Why is our body producing high amounts of reverse T3 to begin with?
When the body is placed under any kind of stress the adrenals are the first to respond (cortisol response).
When the adrenals are placed under greats amounts of stress (bacterial infection, stress at work/home, heavy supps/abx's, etc etc)...
...The adrenals produce rT3 in an attempt to SLOW the thyroid activity down. It's well known that the thyroid is related to energy, metabolism, and body temp. T3 is the STIMULANT administering much of that action.
More important than that though are the adrenals (the workhorse in the endocrine relationship) If the adrenals can't accept the stimulation then disaster strikes (adrenal exhaustion... generally most Lymies will go through this to some extreme)
So I will warn you about supplementing with ANY T3 or Armour... they are stims and they will place extra work/burden on your adrenal glands.
Proceed with caution and know what signs to look for if your adrenals can't deal with the T4/T3 your supplementing.
My rT3 levels were extremely high when I first started treating Lyme and my adrenals. In 6 months time those rT3 numbers have dropped tremendously.
That's the only thyroid test I ask my LLMD to test me for. It's the only one i'm concerned with.
The others don't matter to me at this point(i'v done the antibodies tests) TSH, free T3, free T4...they were usually in perfect range for me.... but as you've stated... if rT3 is high... then it doesn't matter. They are displacing T3 on receptor sites.
I use cortisol saliva tests and rT3 as indicators of my adrenal improvement.
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And ALL this info is from the infallible net ?
Internet Endocrinology !
Seriously, though, I would like to know the source + who wrote it, please.
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I wrote it. I've gathered it through research, experience, and talking with alt docs and others who have been through it as well.
I'd love to hear your explanation of high reverse T3.
There's no disputing that T3 is a stimulant. There's no disputing that stimulants cause stress/more work on the adrenals. There's no disputing that when rT3 is high... it's displacing T3.
But I'm sure, yet again, you won't provide this discussion with ANYTHING of any substance. Yet you'll ridicule those researching on the "infallible" net. Which, by the way, for a lot of people, has been the only source of truth.
The internet can be a GREAT tool. Once you learn to filter the crap and misinformation(which isn't hard). I do it with your posts all the time.
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Ooooops ! Guess I should apologize for concentrating on + being interested in getting glands to heal.
Playing with all the names and numbers must be more fun. Especially more fun than actual results with actual patients.
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For starters you didn't concentrate or show interest in healing glands. You made sarcastic remarks towards my informative post.
Sounds like you didn't read my post at all either.
I warned djf about taking armour or synthroid and told him to maybe research some more on it and proceed with caution.
But yet again... you chime in with what I like to call a NOTHING POST.
So I'll ask you again... what's your opinion of high reverse T3?
PS: Sad thing is you and I both agree on most things related to recovering the endocrine system and other organs/glands.
I think you almost feel threatened that I could possibly know as much as you on the subject. You have 20 yrs experience as a practitioner and I've been sick for 9 months. haha
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Synthroid� (levothyroxine sodium tablets, USP) is a synthetic thyroid hormone intended to replace a hormone that is normally produced by your thyroid gland.
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In addition to Armour, there is also NatureThroid, also porcine source like Armour, not synthetic. -
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canefan17
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He knows what synthroid is Keebler.
He's being an a$$
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- That crossed my mind. I thought, just maybe, Google wasn't working in all states today.
Now, looking back over all the posts, it is sad to see the level of confrontation. Very sad. This is not at all the atmosphere that LymeNet is all about.
Derek and canefan17, thanks for taking the time to share in your discovery and research processes. Ignore the bully.
Others may be along - in a spirit of cooperation - to add to this discussion. For those just now joining the conversation, also search for past threads in the archives - there are many on this topic.
Canefan, thanks for the reminder about the adrenals backing up the thyroid. I recall some of that from the book below, as he speaks to that. I need to get it from the library again and actually read it this time.
~ James L. Wilson, ND, DC, PhD, Johnathan V. Wright, MD
About $10. And qualifies for free shipping with a total $25. Purchase at Amazon -
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I'm getting really, really sick of the regularity with which Massman does this to discussions. It does serve to give him attention, which is probably the whole goal.
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Synthroid is pure T4 and Cytomel is pure T3. Armour is both T4 and T3 from dessicated pig thyroid.
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Hey Massman...how is it going these days?
I like that phrase internet Endocrinology!
but some of us are sort of forced to look online because the endocrinologists say if labs are in range all is OK with the thyroid...and many wont test rT3
Just a note- I was on armour not synthroid and my rT3 is high.. and is is suspected armour may have pushed me into rT3.
the only thyroid med I have been told that will help rT3 is Cytomel(T3 only med)
my own personal theory is that the body is in rT3 to protect itself..possibly from the infection.
Derek- were you told to use armour?
quote:Originally posted by massman: And ALL this info is from the infallible net ?
Internet Endocrinology !
Seriously, though, I would like to know the source + who wrote it, please.
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- Cytomel (T3) caused me major trouble about 15 years ago. It would just drop me, mid-day. I'd be nearly suicidal from the mood drop. Adrenals were likely involved, too, and I had not yet even learned anything about all that.
Now, I hear there is a timed-release T3. For anyone considering synthetic T3, it's important to look at all the options as my experience with the sudden drop from Cytomel was not unique. Others had that horrible effect, too.
Side note: be sure all meds are gluten-free.
Mentioned above, the Wilson book on adrenal fatigue also gets into how the adrenals work with they thyroid.
And, hey, kudos to the web - we're able to find books and articles - and share experiences. Wish the web had been around when I was clobbered by Cytomel in '94-95. Or when seizures started in '96. And when I was dx with 3 TBD in '97.
Google would not even arrive until September 1998.
The web has saved my life by opening a world of research to me. -
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There are loads of Thyroid Threads in Search.
We may never know the true extent of the
unavailability of the Porcine supplies over the
Synthetic but we still have loads of questions.
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Keebler- I had a horrific reaction to Cytomel too... even the slow release.. I would get so fatigued mid day I couldnt pick up my legs to walk and would fall asleep sitting up ...
I also had a feeling like a block was surrounding my heart... the practitioner that prescribed the cytomel...said the fatigue was most likely from my heart as well. I felt like I was dying.
they want me to try it again in a smaller dose. slow released..and it is sitting in my cabinet ...I just cant bring myself to take it again.
good to remind about the gluten aspect too...
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Another thing to consider also is are the labs
changing the upper and lower range limits in
accordance to the kind you are taking? I have heard
various stories about the new formulation but have not talked with a endo.
I think there may be a lot of people freaking out about this detail.
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I don't really know too much about this subject. My doctor prescribed bio-identical thyroid pills a while back. He said my range went back to normal after some time of taking them. Maybe 6 months to a year - so, I discontinued them.
I couldn't really afford the tests & the bio-identical pills after a while. I noticed that my temperature seemed to be on the low side. I started taking 1 drop of a Hulda Clark preparation of iodine every day or so.
One day I woke up & my AM temp was normal! This was after about a month or 2. I can't remember when my AM temp was normal...
Just thought I'd add this in case anyone wants to explore iodine. I don't think I had a really severe issue with my thyroid. Some people seem to have alot more problems in that area.
I also supplement with some herbs for adrenal support. I really liked Jarrow Adrenal Optimizer but the manufacturer is out of stock.
I think there's a shortage of some specific herbs at the moment. This could be the reason why it's out of stock. I guess I'm going to have to try another brand.
If someone is annoying - it's probably best to just ignore the posts. It diverts all the attention from the original question to some ridiculousness.
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hey, where were you at with Lyme diagnosis at that time when your temp went to normal- had you treated it at all yet?
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I've been ill for 15 years... I wasn't doing anything much, really. At that moment, I was ready to give up because I thought I had Fibro - not Lyme - since nothing was working.
Shortly after that, I called my doc to refill my pain med prescription & he told me he thought I had babesia. This was in January '10...
I never had any typical babesia symptoms but it seems that doctors are becoming aware that babesia may have Fibromyalgia type symptoms - not the more common ones like air hunger, etc.
So, I just started reading up on babesia & working with some herbs for that. My temp went to normal before the babesia herbs, though. I really think it was the iodine.
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Iodine will displace bromide, chloride, and flouride and will free up T3
Iodine supports T4-T3 conversion.
The risk with treating with Iodine while treating Lyme is you could create an auto-immune response(Hashi's)
Just have to be careful and talk around.
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my temps went up after I stopped all thryoid meds. They are now mostly normal...today AM temp was 97.9 lowest it has been in awhile.
I was not and am not currently treating lyme..so not sure why temps are normal now..
Sparkle- do you have any links on the fibro babs connection.... thanks.
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Another lively thread...LOL
Anyway.....Cane-
Can you elaborate further as to why to proceed w/ caution on the Armour?
I will watch closely as I usually do w/ new supps/meds and if I feel worse will discontinue immediately...I was advised to follow w/ caution by my Dr.
My Rt3 is just above normal and I was told the Armour may help bring my temps up as well (they are not rising yet and this is the main concern right now as energy is getting some better)
I understand & agree w/ not supplementing or stimulating thyroid w/ Rt3 if adrenals are not being supported but as advised by this Dr I have been on Wilson's Adrenal Rebuilder now for 2+ months and we feel it's a good time to give the Armour a shot.
So if I am understanding you correctly, in short, if Rt3 is high this means the body is trying to slow down the production of the thyroid gland for some type of protective/precautionary measure and if one uses Synthroid it will stimulate the gland directly w/ T4 and if one uses Armour it will stimulate it w/ both T3 & T4.
Basically proceed w/ caution on stimulating a gland that is already slowing itself down for whatever reason?
Do you have anything you can cite on this? An article or something I can look at regarding Rt3 being the bodie's mechanism to slow the thyroid down (or maybe this is common knowledge and my Dr. just did not explain it clearly?)
Is it not more wise then to use Armour since it is not just T3 or T4 but both and T3 is what is documented to be more stimulating (I think?)
I did not handle Synthroid well in the past, but I suspect this is because I did not do much for my adrenals in the past either.
Thanks in advance for your insight.
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Michelle-
Yes, the Dr. I spoke to you recently about is the one who told me that I should try Armour as a result of the Rt3 testing and a slew of other thyroid panels.
My free T3, T4, TSH, and other thyroid labs are within range, just the Rt3 high.
I am trying to grasp the cytomel concept. So you were told that only cytomel will help w/ Rt3?
*thinking......*
If the body is already slowing down the production of T3 w/ the confirmed testing of a Rt3 then adding just T3 is a good idea? (not saying it's not, just brainstorming)
I would think *perhaps* it might be more prudent to add Armour as it is not one hormone or the other but both and a natural form at that but that's just my intuition and nothing more.
Obviously you were on Armour when you discovered your Rt3 so that will not be rectifying the situation for you..
Also why are you concerned w/ the high Rt3 is your temps are pretty normal?
All very confusing and it seems Drs are doing just about what we are w/ all of this information....kicking it around because no one really knows.
Personally I am more concerned w/ feeling better and having my temps and energy levels normalize more than I am concerned w/ the labs being within range..
I will report back w/ what happens on Armour..
Thanks again everybody.
Derek
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The body always generates a small percentage of rT3 when converting its own thyroid hormones (about 5%), but Dr Wilson has suggested that after periods of extreme or prolonged stress, the body switches its balance, and converts most of the T4 hormone to the inactive rT3 hormone (i.e. around 75%).
This is because the body produces huge amounts of cortisol to deal with prolonged stress, and this acts to prevent normal thyroid hormone conversion. The cortisol blocks the T4-T3 process, resulting a low metabolic rate. Dr Wilson describes the process as ``a survival mechanism that has gotten stuck''.
Although rT3 is not presumed to have a metabolic effect itself, it blocks the body's receptor sites for T3 (it still fits, just like ``normal'' T3, because it too has three iodine atoms) but it does not produce the metabolic uplift of T3. In fact, by preventing T3 from being able to work its normal energy-giving effects on the body, it produces a form of hypothyroidism.
*** I've read a lot of horror stories about treating with synthroid and/or armour
And every single one had unresolved adrenal issues (adrenals can take yrs to recover/repair... especially from Lyme!)
Another thing to consider when treating is... heart rate, blood pressure, iron/ferritin levels, b12, etc etc
I agree with mass that it can become a numbers game and something you don't want to deal with for the rest of your life.
Boy the thyroid discussions will never end. Because there is no answer. Doctors don't have the right answer. Patients don't. Researchers don't.
The body is pretty dang complex. The more you learn the more difficult it can get.
The best advice I was ever given was "KISS"
Keep It Simple Stupid
I sometimes struggle with this as well. But our bodies are amazing at recovering if we let them.
Less is More.
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djf,
Read my above post^^
And as far as why some use cytomel only...
The thyroid creates rT3 from T4 So if you already have high levels of rT3... supplementing your body with more T4 is just giving the body more of a chance to create MORE rT3
Get it?
Many people will just supplement with T3, thus knocking rT3 off receptor sites and allowing proper thyroid function. (easier said than done)
Some of the big Cytomel-ONLY advocates will tell you that T4 is useless and our bodies don't need it.
And although T4, to the naked eye, has no active responsibility, like T3, it is there for a reason.
ONE reason... the one I explained above. The adrenals/pituitary/hypothalamus can signal for more rT3 to be made in crisis situations if it has T4 available.
If there is no T4 what will the body do to calm itself.
I don't want to find out lol
(Although most of us here already have...)
/enter Lyme
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I agree Derek it seems like most of us are right there with the doctors trying to figure this out.
I have gotten about 5 opinions on my lab results.. and three of the five say I have hypothyroid.. I think it was my T4 that was on the low end of the range.. and that is what they were basing their opinion on.
one Dr said it wasnt my thyroid because the temps are normal. and not to worry about rT3.. he said he never tests for it.
I did some research that i posted on the thyroid thread of mine that was moved to general support..that having high rT3 is a normal process of the body..it temporarily will go high.
The reason I became concerned about the high rT3 is that the practioner that prescribed Cytomel...said that over time having the high rT3 will make my body start attacking the thyroid gland. for me I dont know if my remaining symptoms could possibly be thyroid related.
I think in your situation since your Dr will be monitoring rT3 taking the armour might not be that much of an issue.. because you will know if the armour is increasing the rT3... and will be able to adjust the dose accordingly.
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Thanks Cane very much.
I am unsure of what to do w/ this info now.
I can call my Dr to discuss and perhaps consider cytomel instead of Armour although I am unsure which is the best choice.
My Rt3 is really not my biggest concern as it is not *that* high (although it is out of reference range) and I guess my Dr is also more concerned w/ the body temp along w/ me (thus the trial of Armour).
Anyway, I will have to think this over.
There are no long term ramifications to a short trial of Armour or Cytomel to see if it helps w/ temp/energy/lab values are there?
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djf,
It can wind up being a setback (especially from an adrenals standpoint)
The other scary thing about it is... most feel better on it for the first 2 weeks or even a month... then the "crash" happens if the adrenals can't support it.
And the people are left wondering "what happened it was working so great." And they start looking for other answers.
If somebody put a gun to my head and said armour or cytomel I'd choose armour.
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Thyroid treatment is rarely one-size fits all. If you suspect RT3 problems or T3 receptor blockade, then trying T3 only therapy is a reasonable experiment.
Forget about time-released compounded T3. It's not necessary if you dose regular T3 many times throughout the day. Yes, it's a hassle but it will generally help prevent any hyper episodes.
I've been dosing this way for a few months and my heart is less fidgety than it was on T4 or a T3/T4 combo.
Of course, I'm also running a lot of antibiotics so there are quite a few variables at play.
Adrenal issues do factor in at times but sometimes those issues are due to yet another blockade of receptors and not an underlying adrenal problem.
I still think the adrenals are much more resilient than the thyroid. They have to be after all as stress organs. I know when I did several months of cortisol side saddle with my thyroid meds it did very little.
So the picture is often more muddled than we would like, but it helps to try everything. Leave no stone unturned.
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lymeorsomething,
I think sometimes the idea of "trying everything" sends people into a viscous cycle.
Hormones are NOT something to take lightly and experiment with.
I'm really glad I resisted the urge early on in my tx and went against my LLMD's request to supplement T3.
Treat Lyme and Detox and let your body reset. Simply can't go wrong with that ^^^
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Cane, I would disagree. "Reasonable" experimentation does not devolve into a vicious cycle all the time.
If for example your Dr House and you have a giant marker board of possible problems in front of you and if you try stuff for a reasonable amount of time and at a reasonable dosage but still don't benefit from it, you can cross that off the list most of the time.
Keep in mind that the body may not "reset" for everyone. Many people use maintenance doses of abx for life. Age, other health issues all factor in and determine how and if the body will recover fully from insult.
We're kind of hormone lightweights here on this board. I've participated in some of the bodybuilding forums (they're far from all muscle heads) and generally they know a great deal--not only from their anecdotal usage but from being very in tune with studies--about hormone protocols.
T3 is probably one of the easiest hormones to try. Yes, you have to worry about hyper symptoms at times but usually those can be quelled with a tiny dose of T4 if necessary.
Not everyone can wait years for a "reset" that may never come. Hormone supplementation can give people a life back sometimes.
I was fortunate to have a good anti-aging doc who was good about helping me try appropriate protocols. Though I have self-treated too, I'm not advocating that outright unless one has no viable alternative.
Ultimately, hormones were not the answer to my issues, but I do not regret trying them for a second and would do it again. The protocols were sound and I never had any adverse events.
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If someone has low ferritin (mine is 12) I read that this can indicate thyroid problem and/or babs. Actually bart too since all the critters eat the heme inside the RBC when they invade.
My question is: if all your thyroid labs are normal but your temp and ferritin is low, does that indicate something should be done?
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I would think something should be tried, yes.
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http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ this is the site to get all your information about the thyroid issue, very similar to the Lyme disease testing issue we face today.
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OK ! Thanks for all the belly laughs ! My belly has not laughed like that for quite a while
I asked what Synthroid was because the first post on the thread had an incorrect definition of it. That has been edited + corrected which is great.
And I posted the term ``internet endocrinologist''. Assuming that cruising the net for about 6 months can give one a great understanding of endocrinology is more than a bit preposterous.
Baaaad news here. Reality trumps theory. Every time. Sorry.
And the why on rT3 imbalances ? Hmmmm........ What are the primary organs that convert T4 to T3 ? Could those organs be involved if they are stressed + not working well ? Then they may not do the job well ? Why have these organs not been mentioned before ?
As I have posted before, my focus is + has been for years to help organs HEAL the best they can. That makes me a bully ? Keebs ?
Focusing on the minutiae may be fun + time consuming but it may not end with a good success rate.
Making things more complicated than they have to be - isn't that wasting time + effort ?
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And the why on rT3 imbalances ? Hmmmm........ What are the primary organs that convert T4 to T3 ? Could those organs be involved if they are stressed + not working well ? Then they may not do the job well ? Why have these organs not been mentioned before ?
Ya... I hope everyone is supporting their liver. It's very important and plays a major role in T4 T3 conversion
And I posted the term ``internet endocrinologist''. Assuming that cruising the net for about 6 months can give one a great understanding of endocrinology is more than a bit preposterous.
It certainly doesn't hurt. The internet is a great tool and has probably saved many of us from getting/feeling worse.
I guess I could go to Med school and read old texts from the 70's on how the thyroid works. Posts: 5394 | From Houston, Tx | Registered: Aug 2009
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So Med Schools in Texas use texts from the '70s ?
I thought they were from the '40s ____________________________________________ Reality trumps theory. Every time. Dang
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Mass-
Your comments only serve to shine the light on your own insecure self and I wish you would stop.
Seriously. I think you have posted on nearly every one of my threads recently, with nothing but smartass reponses posed as rhetorical questions that only serve to amuse yourself.
Here's an idea:
If you want a laugh, go on youtube and look up something you find personally amusing. LN is not designed for your own personal laughs, OK?
I think I have said this about 10+ times, but I'll say it one last time in hopes of getting through your thick head:
If you have something worth saying, that will contribute, and further aid in a given thread, then by all means, comment.
If not, KEEP YOUR STUPID COMMENTS TO YOURSELF.
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I asked what synthroid was as your original post had a definition that was not correct. I deliberately did not point out the mistake, nice guy that I am.
That post was edited + corrected after that which I acknowledged. That is my bad behavior ? Towards you ?
djf2005
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Actually, you may want to look into a psychiatrist, internet based or not. They perhaps could help you w/ your inflated ego and your patronizing condescending comments.
The post is corrected and was corrected the same day.
Yet again you pointing out something that is
a) not helpful b) inflammatory c) useless
Perhaps if you actually had any useful information you would subsequently share it but I am sure that's not going to happen for obvious reasons.
If you need to look up subsequently that ok, it's a rather large word for someone of your intellect.
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This is a issue that I really want to read other thoughts on. I like it simple so I can understand it. There is sooooo much to digest right now the simpler the better! With this new malfunctioning brain I get overwhelmed at times.
STOP!!!!! I'm here to try to learn some new things that might help me. My brain has enough trouble trying to digest & research information without worrying about others personal issues here!!
I don't care who thinks they KNOW more than someone else...I just like to hear all the input of others thoughts...without the barbs!!
The last thing we need is division...Take it down a notch...please Posts: 75 | From Missouri | Registered: Apr 2009
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" The post is corrected and was corrected the same day."
"Yet again you pointing out something that is
a) not helpful b) inflammatory c) useless"
I acknowledged it was corrected. How was it not helpful, inflammatory and useless to correct a definition by asking for that definition ?
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lilacs - the site mentioned above - Stop The Thyroid Madness - is a good source of uncomplicated info.
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