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After being off abx for a number of years, I am now going to have to go on doxy and hydrochloriquine for a long period of time in order to get rid of a serious coinfection,Q fever.
I am wondering if you can give me any advice on how to best support my immune system (supplements and brand suggestions etc.) and best way to detox while on abx.
Thank you! You guys are really a great support!
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Thank you pamoisondelune. I have the book I will check these two herbs out. Do you have any experience with these herbs?
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Yes, i take them every day.
The full Buhner dose of Polygonum is 4 pills, 4 times a day. I've taken 4 pills, 3 times a day, with meals, for about 3 years.
Buhner writes that it's one of the safest herbs to take, you can take it every 10 minutes if necessary.
As for whether they detox or not, i can't identify individual actions, since i take so many things. About Polygonum, someone posted, "It gets rid of a lot of junk." It's been a while since i was researching those things.
Sarsaparilla,--- i take one pill once or twice a day. I forget what the Buhner dose is. Be sure to take milk thistle to protect your liver, and kidnys too. I reduced my dose of Sarsaprilla because someone posted that Sarsaparilla could be hard on your kidneys. I didn't research it. I wasn't desperately in need of a lot of detox anyway.
I'm not even sure why i take these herbs; i'm towards the end of treatment, off abx, doing rife machine for maintenance, and to hit Bartonella which i was never sure i had, but it does seem to help. There are rife frequencies for detox; Springshowers uses them and says they helped her tremendously.
I just keep taking the herbs because my experience was that i later find out that almost all the herbs i take do more good, helping things than i knew when i started.
----Polly Polygonum -----or Nilufar Knotweed
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PS But what a difference between abx without the herbs vs abx with the herbals!!
I spent 2 1/2 years on abx WITHOUT herbal support, and it was a huge amount of time i wasted sleeping, taking naps, too tired. Sleeping is the way my body does detoxing, also falling asleep at noon people say is a babesia symptom.
I was too tired to work. One month on Biaxin/Plaquenil, i was able to work 1 hour per week. This is crazy!
After 2 1/2 years i started discovering herbals, adding them one by one.
The fatigue gradually left; it's unclear whether because of herbal support, or because of reduction of bacteria load because of the abx. ------
Also you may have to think about heavy metals detox. That's another question, and it can affect your immune system. I can't advise you on that.
----Polly Polygonum -----Nilufar Knotweed
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Pamoisondelune, what herbs did you find helped you the most, especially regarding fatigue?
I know I have to address heavy metals, as I have elevated mercury and lead, but I am overwhelmed with all my issues and don't know what to address first.
Thanks so much for your help!
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pamoisondelune
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JJ---- Good morning wake-up/energy herbs are:
Eleuthero. (=Siberian ginseng). I buy it by the pound, take a half-spoonful in the a.m. Buhner is now recommending it as a core herb.
Gotu Kola, also i buy it by the pound, take a hlf-spoonful in the a.m.
Alpha-lipoic acid--- a great wake-up pill, don't take more than 100 mg, but too bad, you can't take it because of your mercury, since it moves mercury, and it might end up in your brain if you don't have a binder that works.
Your doctor might put you on a lot of binders, like charcoal, etc.
Is your doctor going to do something about the mercury and lead?? That's really serious!
Maybe nothing helps with the fatigue until the lyme load is down. Excuse me--- you don't have lyme? I don't know what Q fever is--- rickettsia?
Have you considered rifing?
Here are some rife frequencies (in Hertzes) for Q fever:
523 1357 607 129 632 943 1062 549 720 726
But wait--- they say not to rife till you've got rid of your mercury! They say rifing can dislodge mercury!
Do you have the best, most experienced chelation doctor? Peoople say not to do it unless you have the BEST doctor.
Someone posted to ask Scott Forsgren for a recommendation for a detox doctor in the East Coast.
You have problems! Good luck! ----Polly Polygonum -----or Nilufar Knotweed
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Here's an address to check out--- (i haven't yet):
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Here's a quote : QUOTE: QUOTE::
Dr. K says that in low doses Chlorella mobilizes more metals than it can bind to but in high doses it binds to more than it mobilizes, so we should always start out with high doses first. With BioPure's Chlorella Vulgaris I started out with 15 tabs 3X daily. It did give me some temporary abdominal pain at first but then it went away in a few days.
Dr. K also says the same thing as what Deb said about Cilantro being a great mobilizer of metals but does a poor job carrying the metals out of the body and so lots of other binders such as Chlorella should be on board whenever its being used. UNQUOTE UNQUOTE UNQUOTE
You should read Dr K's webssite about mercury detox. GiGi has many posts referring to Dr K's website.
Here's a quote from GiGi: QUOTE QUOTE QUOTE::
Here in more detail what I posted above. This is the way Dr. K. recommended taking chlorella to me in 1998 when I was ill. It is still taken that way. Please read it carefully! because it works well this way.
CHlORELLA (by Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt, MD PhD)
Both C. pyrenoidosa (better absorption of toxins, but harder to digest) and C. vulgaris (higher CGF content - see below, easier to digest, less metal absorbing capabitlity) are available. Chlorella has multiple health inducing effects:
ANTIVIRAL (especially effective against the cytomegaly virus from the herpes family)
TOXIN BINDING (mucopolysaccharide membrane) All known toxic metals, environmental toxins such as dioxin and others.
Repairs and activates the body's DETOXIFICATION FUNCTIONS:
Dramatically increases reduced glutathione,
Sporopollein is effective as cholestyramine in binding neurotoxins and more effective in binding toxic metals than any other natural substance found.
Various peptides restore coeruloplasmin and metallothioneine.
Lipids (12.4%) alpha- and gamma-linoleic acid help to balance the increased intake of fish oil during our detox program and are necessary for a multitude of functions, including formation of the peroxisomes.
Methycobalamin is food for the nervous system, restores damaged neurons and has its own detoxifying effect.
Chlorella growth factor helps the body detoxify itself in a yet not understood profound way. It appears that over millions of years chlorella has developed specific detoxifuing proteins and peptides for every existing toxic metal.
The porphyrins in chlorophyl have th eir own strong metal binding effect. Chlorophyll also activates the PPAR-receptor on the nucleus of the cell which is responsible for the transcirption of DNA and coding the formation of the peroxisomes (see fish oil) , opening of the cell wall (unknown mechanism) which is necessary for all detox procedures, normalizes insulin resistance and much more. Medical drugs that activate the PPAR-receptor (such as pioglitazone) have been effective in the treatment of breast and prostate cancer.
SUPER NUTRIENT: 50-60% amino acid content, ideal nutrient for vegetarians, methylcobalamin - the most easily absorbed and utilized form of B12, B6, minerals, chlorophyll, beta carotene, etc.
IMMUNE SYSTEM strengthening
RESTORES bowel flora
DIGESTIVE AID (bulking agent)
ALKALINIZING AGENT (important for patients with malignancies)
D O S A G E : Start with 1 gram (=4 tabl) 3-4 times/day. This is the standard maintenance dosage for grownups for the 6-24 months of active detox. During the more active phase of the detox (every 2-4 weeks for 1 week), whenever cilantro is given, the dose can be increased to 3 grams 3-4 times per day (1 week on, 2-4 weeks back down to the maintenance dosage). Take 30 minutes before the main meals and at bedtime. This way chlorella is exactly in that portion of the small intestine where the bile squirts into the gut at the beginning of the meal, carrying with it toxic metals and other toxic waste. These are bound by the chlorella cell wall and carried out via the digestive tract.
When amalgam fillings are removed, the higher dose should be given for 2 days before and 2-5 days after the procedure (the more fillings are removed, the longer the higher dose should be given).
NO cilantro should be given around the time of dental work. During this time we do not want to mobilize deeply stored metals in addition to the expected new exposure.
If you take Vitamin C during your detox program, take it as far away from Chlorella as possible (best after meals).
S I D E E F F E C T S : most side effects reflect the toxic effect of the mobilized metals, which are shuttled through the organism. This problem is instantly avoided by significantly increasing the chlorella dosage, not by reducing it, which would worsen the problem. (Small chlorella doses mobilize more metals than are bound in the gut, large chlorella doses bind more toxins than are mobilized).
Some people have problems digesting the cell membrane of chlorella. The enzyme cellulase resolves this problem. Cellulase is available in many health food stores in digestive enzyme products. Taking chlorella together with food also helps in some cases, even though it is less effective that way. Chlorella vulgaris has a thinner cell wall and is better tolerated by people with digestive problems.
CHLORELLA GROWTH FACTOR (Biopure CGF available as capsule)
This is a heat extract from chlorella that concentrates certain peptides, proteins and other ingredients. The research on CGF shows that children develop no tooth decay and their dentition (maxillary facial development) is near perfect. There are less illnesses and children grow earlier to a larger size with higher IQ and are socially more skilled. There are case reports of patients with dramatic tumor remissions after taking CGF in higher amounts. In our experience, CGF makes the detox experience for the patient much easier, shorter and more effective.
Recommended dosage: 1 cap. CGF for each 20 tabl. Chlorella
NDF and PCA
Both are extracets from Chlorella and Cilantro and very effective in detoxing. They are well tolerated, but very expensive.
Biopure Healing Products Ltd 1-800-801-6187 or 425 462-8414
If you do a search under my name and chlorella, you will find numerous posts on the subject. Not much has changed over the years.
Take care. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hoosiers51
The brand my doctor recommends is Prime Chlorella. I believe it is grown in such a way that it is free from heavy metals, etc.
It is difficult to find. I buy it online, but there are only a couple websites that sell it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- UNQUOTE UNQUOTE UNQUOTE
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For energy you could try chia seeds, Salvia hispanica.
I haven't tried them yet; i'm hearing good things.
----Polly Polygonum -----or Nilufar Knotweed
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when I did IV years ago....took milk thistle to keep liver numbers down....and a pro biotic for immune system.
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