Now, you will surely say, that the pharmaceutical industry does good for mankind for example; they do research to develop new drugs to help people. That's what they loudly proclaim. They produce pictures of children laughing and old people dancing on a beautiful sunny day, and yet the picture isn't correct. Unfortunately, it is stained, and that is putting it mildly.
Did you know that large pharmaceutical corporations spend about $35,000-$40,000 per year and per practicing doctor to persuade them to prescribe their products?
Did you know that so-called opinion maker/leaders - that is to say recognized scientists and doctors - are specifically bribed with expensive trips, presents and quite simply with money to report positively about medicines, when their serious and even fatal side effects have become public, in order to banish the valid concerns of doctors and patients?
Did you know that there are only short-term clinical trials for many newly approved drugs and nobody knows the effects on patients who take them for long periods or even for the rest of their lives?
Did you know that the research reports and statistics, which are necessary for the approval of drugs by the regulatory authorities, are constantly being edited, so that deaths caused by the side effects of the drug can no longer be found in them?
Did you know that more than 75 percent of the leading scientists in medicine are paid by the pharmaceutical industry?
Did you know that there are drugs on the market where bribery played a role in the approval process?
Did you know that the pharmaceutical industry invents illnesses and promotes them with targeted marketing campaigns to increase the market for their products?
Did you know that the pharmaceutical industry increasingly has its sights on children?
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sparkle - no wonder I have such a poor opinion (OK it is HATE) of BigPharma.
The LOVE of money is the root of all evil. Thanks for a great source to prove that !
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I guess there are acceptable risks which may include death of the patient as far as the medical industry is concerned... These risks are not par for the course in my mind.
It just shows the blatant disregard for human life in favor of profits. Capitalism & greed run amok. It's time people come out of their stupor & do something about this. I'm not anti-drug or against miracles of modern medicine but we need some better oversight.
The foxes watching the hen house won't do. We have to be more aware about this. I would be very cautious about taking any drugs.
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Sparkle, I love Coast to Coast! And I totally agree about Big Pharma. It's really scary.
My fiance and I didn't have cable for a couple of years and we recently subscribed to it again when we moved into our new place. We were horrified at the number of pharma commercials. It seems like AT LEAST 50% of the commercial breaks consist of drug ads now.
It's so scary when they show you these images of a happy family having a picnic while reading off the side effects "liver failure, certain cancers" etc etc... Talk about "cognitive dissonance"... It's like the serene images are designed to brainwash us into accepting the "risks" as reasonable and okay, which they clearly are not.
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Yep, I learned my lesson big time after taking klonopin for just 4 weeks!!! I will never touch an anti-anxiety/depressant again in my life, despite doctors trying to push these drugs on me (also neurontin/gabapentin)!! I just politely say "no, thanks." I'm counting on my body to heal. It is an evil industry.
I don't want to take mass quantities of antibiotics either, but not sure I have a choice on that.
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It was an interesting show from what I heard. I fell asleep so I didn't hear the whole thing.
He said that in order to get Sweden to accept Prozak, he paid a $30,000 bribe to a gov't psychiatrist. Ultimately, the Swedish gov't didn't approve it - so, he lost his job. He said they covered up the negative side of the drug so money could be made. They know the risks of suicide from taking this drug.
This is just one drug of many & this was awhile back. We really have to carefully consider taking any drug. With no accurate testing & no proof that antibiotics will make us well - it's a gamble.
lajamur - They don't allow the Pharmaceutical companies to advertise in most countries. I think it's just here & New Zealand which allow pharma commercials... I don't know why people here accept this.
Just makes me think it's a concerted effort to bring this country down... along with the economy, healthcare "reform", joblessness, getting rid of social security, environmental disasters, etc.
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sparkle said "... I don't know why people here accept this."
When MANY senators and congressman are out of the government (for whatever reason) most then go to work for.......(hum da da da dum here...) BigPharma companies !
Imagine that. Then they have social interactions with their old buddies that are STILL in the senate and congress.
I really really wonder WHAT they talk about. And....we...KEEP...electing goons that do this
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re: When MANY senators and congressman are out of the government (for whatever reason) most then go to work for.......(hum da da da dum here...) BigPharma companies !
Yeah, just take a look at Donald Rumsfeld... Look at his role in aspartame & tamiflu... It's criminal stuff.
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It goes into the whole GMO/Monsanto issue, and all the corporate/political ties. It really is one big industry -- government, the corporations -- they're practically a single entity.
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I saw a film on the Sundance channel a while back about Nestle. They own a good chunk of world food production... I forgot the title of the film.
It's probably that the gov't is the front for corporations... Sort of like leaky gut syndrome.
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(NaturalNews) It's being called the largest research fraud in medical history. Dr. Scott Reuben, a former member of Pfizer's speakers' bureau, has agreed to plead guilty to faking dozens of research studies that were published in medical journals.
Now being reported across the mainstream media is the fact that Dr. Reuben accepted a $75,000 grant from Pfizer to study Celebrex in 2005. His research, which was published in a medical journal, has since been quoted by hundreds of other doctors and researchers as "proof" that Celebrex helped reduce pain during post-surgical recovery. There's only one problem with all this: No patients were ever enrolled in the study!
Dr. Scott Reuben, it turns out, faked the entire study and got it published anyway.
It wasn't the first study faked by Dr. Reuben: He also faked study data on Bextra and Vioxx drugs, reports the Wall Street Journal.
As a result of Dr. Reuben's faked studies, the peer-reviewed medical journal Anesthesia & Analgesia was forced to retract 10 "scientific" papers authored by Reuben. The Day of London reports that 21 articles written by Dr. Reuben that appear in medical journals have apparently been fabricated, too, and must be retracted.
After being caught fabricating research for Big Pharma, Dr. Reuben has reportedly signed a plea agreement that will require him to return $420,000 that he received from drug companies. He also faces up to a 10-year prison sentence and a $250,000 fine.
He was also fired from his job at the Baystate Medical Center in Springfield, Mass. after an internal audit there found that Dr. Reuben had been faking research data for 13 years. (http://www.theday.com/article/20100...)
Business as usual in Big Pharma What's notable about this story is not the fact that a medical researcher faked clinical trials for the pharmaceutical industry. It's not the fact that so-called "scientific" medical journals published his fabricated studies. It's not even the fact that the drug companies paid this quack close to half a million dollars while he kept on pumping out fabricated research.
The real story here is that this is business as usual in the pharmaceutical industry.
Dr. Reuben's actions really aren't that extraordinary. Drug companies bribe researchers and doctors as a routine matter. Medical journals routinely publish false, fraudulent studies. FDA panel members regularly rely on falsified research in making their drug approval decisions, and the mainstream media regularly quotes falsified research in reporting the news.
Fraudulent research, in other words, is widespread in modern medicine. The pharmaceutical industry couldn't operate without it, actually. It is falsified research that gives the industry its best marketing claims and strongest FDA approvals. Quacks like Dr Scott Reuben are an important part of the pharmaceutical profit machine because without falsified research, bribery and corruption, the industry would have very little research at all.
Pay special attention to the fact that the Anesthesia & Analgesia medical journal gladly published Dr. Reuben's faked studies even though this journal claims to be a "scientific" medical journal based on peer review. Funny, isn't it, how such a scientific medical journal gladly publishes fraudulent research with data that was simply invented by the study author. Perhaps these medical journals should be moved out of the non-fiction section of university libraries and placed under science fiction.
Remember, too, that all the proponents of pharmaceuticals, vaccines and mammograms ignorantly claim that their conventional medicine is all based on "good science." It's all scientific and trustworthy, they claim, while accusing alternative medicine of being "woo woo" wishful thinking and non-scientific hype. Perhaps they should have a quick look in the mirror and realize it is their own system of quack medicine that's based largely on fraudulent research, bribery and corruption.
You just have to laugh, actually, when you hear pushers of vaccines and pharmaceuticals claim their medicine is "scientific" while natural medicine is "unproven." Sure it's scientific -- about as scientific as the storyline in a Scooby Doo cartoon, or as credible as the medical license of a six-year-old kid who just received a "let's play doctor" gift set for Christmas. Many pharmaceutical researchers would have better careers as writers of fiction novels rather than scientific papers.
For all those people who ignorantly claim that modern pharmaceutical science is based on "scientific evidence," just give them these three words: Doctor Scott Reuben.
Drug companies support fraudulent research Don't forget that the drug companies openly supported Dr. Scott Reuben's research. They paid him, in fact, to keep on fabricating studies.
The drug companies claim to be innocent in all this, but behind the scenes they had to have known what was going on. Dr. Reuben's research was just too consistently favorable to drug company interests to be scientifically legitimate. If a drug company wanted to "prove" that their drug was good for some new application, all they had to do was ask Dr. Reuben to come up with the research (wink wink). "Here's another fifty thousand dollars to study whether our drug is good for post-surgical pain (wink)."
And before long, Dr. Reuben would magically materialize a brand new study that just happened to "prove" exactly what the sponsoring drug company wanted to prove. Advocates of western medicine claim they don't believe in magic, but when it comes to clinical trials, they actually do: All the results they wish to see just magically appear as long as the right researcher gets paid to materialize the results out of thin air, much like waving a magician's wand and chanting, "Abra cadabra... let there be RESEARCH DATA!"
Shazam! The research data materializes just like that. It all gets written up into a "scientific" paper that also magically gets published in medical journals that fail to ask a single question that might exposed the research fraud.
I guess these people believe in magic after all, huh? Where science is lacking, a little "research magic" conveniently fills the void.
The whole system makes a mockery of real science. It is a system operated by criminals who fabricate whatever "scientific evidence" they need in order to get published in medical journals and win FDA approval for drugs that they fully realize are killing people.
What is "Evidence-Based Medicine?" The fact that a researcher like Dr. Reuben could so successfully fabricate fraudulent study data, then get it published in peer-reviewed science journals, and get away with it for 13 years sheds all kinds of new light on what's really behind "evidence-based medicine."
The recipe for evidence-based medicine is quite simple: Fabricate the evidence! Get it published in any mainstream medical journal. Then you can quote the fabricated evidence as "fact!"
When pushers of pharmaceuticals and vaccines resort to quoting "evidence-based medicine" as their defense, keep in mind that much of their so-called evidence has been entirely fabricated. When they claim their branch of toxic chemical medicine is based on "real science," what they really mean is that it's based on fraudulent science but they've all secretly agreed to call it "real science." When they claim to have "scientific facts" supporting their position, what they really mean is that those "facts" were fabricated by criminal researchers being paid bribes by the drug companies.
"Evidence-based medicine," it turns out, hardly exists anymore. And even if it does, how do you know which studies are real vs. which ones were fabricated? If a trusted, well-paid researcher can get his falsified papers published for 13 years in top-notch science journals -- without getting caught by his peers -- then what does that say about the credibility of the entire peer-review science paper publishing process?
Here's what is says: "Scientific medicine" is a total fraud.
And this fraud isn't limited to Dr Scott Reuben, either. Remember: he engaged in routine research fraud for 13 years before being caught. There are probably thousands of other scientists engaged in similar research fraud right now who haven't yet been caught in the act. Their fraudulent research papers have no doubt already been published in "scientific" medical journals. They've been quoted in the popular press. They've been relied on by FDA decision makers to approve drugs as "safe and effective" for widespread use.
And yet underneath all this, there's nothing more than fraud and quackery. Sure, there may be some legitimate studies mixed in with all the fraud, but how can we tell the difference?
How are we to trust this system that claims to have a monopoly on scientific truth but in reality is a front for outright scientific fraud?
Keep up the great work, Dr Reuben Thank you, Dr Scott Reuben, for showing us the truth about the pharmaceutical industry, the research quackery, the laughable "scientific" journals and the bribery and corruption that characterizes the pharmaceutical industry today. You have done more to shed light on the true nature of the drug industry than a thousand articles on NaturalNews.com ever could.
Keep up the good work. After paying your fine and serving a little jail time, I'm sure your services will be in high demand at all the top drug companies that need yet more "scientific" studies to be fabricated and submitted to the medical journals.
You may be a dishonest, disgusting human being to most of the world, but you're a huge asset to the pharmaceutical industry and they need you back! There are more studies that need to be fabricated soon; more false papers that need to be published and more dangerous drugs that need to receive FDA approval. Hurry!
Because if there's one place that extreme dishonesty is richly rewarded, it's in the pharmaceutical industry, where poisons are approved as medicines and fiction is published as the truth.
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good find. For everyone here... the original news story out of CT, from June 26th:
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Just remember that there are a comparatively small number of physician shills for these companies. Your average family physician doesn't get anything except free samples and coffee cups from pharm reps - those big vacations, payoffs and whatnot are for a tiny subset of physicians who are on their "advisory board" working directly for the company either as "instructors" to present to other physicians or as "independent auditing authorities" to conclude these drugs are safe.
Please don't think that the vast majority of MDs are in on the criminal activity of these companies. Also, don't forget that similar ethical violations happen all the time in the "natural" supplement world ( http://braintoniq.com/is-agave-bad-for-you-fallacy.php comes to mind, where a doctor who pushes his own line of supplements is outed for bad research and distorting the facts on agave nectar )
As I've always said the answer to Bad Science is not "No Science" and the answer to Bad Regulation is not "No Regulation". Every single therapy, nomatter its origin, needs to be proved via impartial evidenced based medicine.
While what pharmaceutical companies have done recently is a travesty, there have been some that attempt to twist it to say that the methodology of clinical trials and scientific inquiry is unnecessary, usually for their own monetary gain, or to push an agenda.
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The science fiction related above (I live about 40 miles from where Dr Reuben "practices" his science fiction) has a major problem.
The problem is the MAJOR ripple effect that influences the decisions of what those "normal" docs oh so innocently prescribe. Hundreds of thousands or MILLIONS of people are affected.
Drug reps have kissed docs rears for years (great rhyme ) and continue to do so as the law allows. This opinion is mostly based on personal observations in my PCPs office over 7 years. Lots of time there to adjust (chiropractic) him - we kept a chiro table in his office.
And yo - all these "new" diagnoses appear to sell new symptom depressing drugs. All under a created "concern" to improve health.
What is the third leading cause of death - and may be the first - in this country ?
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re: Please don't think that the vast majority of MDs are in on the criminal activity of these companies.
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This may be true but I have been to so many doctors that were completely uninformed, rude, condescending, offensive, even - can I say it - insane (as in nuts).
I can't believe I even paid these jokers. It's a travesty. Then, you add on the influence that big pharma has on these doctors plus the influence on med schools, fake PR type quasi-scientific reports in influential journals & in the media...
Not all of the doctors are on the take but so many of them are in it for the money - not so that they can be healers.
It's not good & you can't justify it by saying that Mercola is full of it, too, so it makes it equal. Two wrongs do not make a right... (No offense Blackstone - I appreciate your reply & I do respect your comments. Please don't take it personally.)
BTW - Mercola has a vested interest. He's hocking his products. Some of the things he writes about are of interest but I would definitely cross-reference any of his "research".
People are dying from bad medicine - from drugs & mis-informed professionals... Most people don't spend hours researching everything & trust their doctors. Are these "professionals" worthy of our trust (& our hard earned money) given the evidence posted here?
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PS - FYI
I found this on the internet...
There are 2,000 deaths/year from unnecessary surgery; 7000 deaths/year from medication errors in hospitals; 20,000 deaths/year from other errors in hospitals; 80,000 deaths/year from infections in hospitals; 106,000 deaths/year from non-error, adverse effects of medications - these total up to 225,000 deaths per year in the US from iatrogenic causes which ranks these deaths as the # 3 killer.
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"Mercola has a vested interest. He's hocking his products."
Hocking, hucking, schmucking ! The root of all evil is doctors selling supplements
Lets just crucify them for everything they do because they sell supps
Wait ! Lets torture them first ! Tasers, water torture, deep tissue massage with pointy bony elbows, commercial country music, dunce caps and on and on and on............
Supplements ? We know they are all the same
Again, the root of all evil is doctors selling supplements.
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I just heard on the radio this morning about the commonly used diabetes drug Avandia. They are considering whether to pull it from the market because, the interviewee said, it has killed about 100,000 people over the past 11 years. It was on NPR, but I don't remember who the speaker was.
Anything that kills 100,000 people should be considered a disease (or a poison), not a cure, at least in my mind. And they actually convince us to PAY for this stuff.
There are several other effective drugs for diabetes that have been in use for a long time, so why would so many people (far more than 100,000) be taking a riskier one? (Probably due to the extreme marketing efforts mentioned above.)
With the very sources of scientific information contaminated with drug company propaganda, I don't know how we're supposed to learn what we need to know to protect our own health.
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Massman - it's not the idea that people sell things - it's the way they do it.
I get Mercola's newsletter & it has some good info. Some of it is outright distorted info in order to sell a product he's marketing. It's the distortion of information that makes me have a lack of trust in his more informative articles.
Not all drugs, supplements or doctors are bad. It's just that there is a systemic unethicalness about some of these practices. We need to root out the rotten stuff & have more integrity in regards to the whole profession of medical care.
The way things are going is horrendous. Something has to be done. It's outrageous that a drug would kill 100,000 people. This is not even the half of it...
It's a blatant disregard for human life. Whether it's only greed or if it's some intentional eugenics program - I'm not sure. It's just that people who are ill are not really in a position to mount a big protest of all of this.
I guess my way of being an activist is to create some kind of awareness that these things are going on. This is pretty much all I can do.
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OK, how about providing 4 or 5 examples of mercolas'"distorted info", please.
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I don't know... I'd have to look back into the newsletters. Things I remember off the top of my head as being kind of skewed were in relation to stuff he sells like - some coffee & green teas that were supposed to be better than the others out there.
I think he was saying that somehow using a paper filter with coffee took away some cancer causing chemical in the coffee. Also, only the green tea he sells is any good. It's an expensive, powdered green tea...
Then, there's the stuff about his particular brand of light bed that he hypes for health reasons to get vitamin D. I don't know if any of his material is true or not. I'd have to spend hours cross-referencing it.
He has a bunch of products that he hypes. He's always saying that there is some inherent danger of using other brands & that only his is superior. Then, he may get a bunch of info from X,Y,Z to prove it.
It just reminds me of the same tactics that the pharma industry uses. I don't trust that NaturalNews guy either or Gary Null. Just because they present an alternative view - doesn't mean that everything that they say is the gospel. The NaturalNews guy writes all these quasi scientific articles about stuff & then you find out it's geared to a product he sells.
There's alot of crappy so-called health foods, natural products, supplements, herbal products out there. I appreciate that they are trying but some of it is just expensive, processed junk.
I'm just not convinced that Mercola's products are any better than what's available out there. You think he's writing a newsletter about something informative & it's just about getting people to buy his stuff.
I think I would have more respect for him if he sent out separate newsletters about his products as opposed to things he wanted people to know about. I don't like when the info is all mixed up together. It's hard to tell the sales pitch from the information.
To me, this is how things get skewed. I just get tired of trying to decipher the B$ from the real info. It's bad enough watching TV or reading the newspaper... I thought this Mercola is supposed to be an enlightener, a champion of the people, a working class hero... or so I though.
It all comes down to a plush office & luxurious lifestyle. When does it end?
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PS - I just took a quick look at Mercola's site... I think he's "demonizing" coffee to suggest that people try his green tea. I have nothing against Mercola & he does post alot of useful info - but there does seem to be an agenda.
Anything in excess is probably harmful - it's just the context of the whole presentation. There's all these articles about how harmful coffee is & then he's suggesting that his green tea is the answer.
Just 1 example. It would take me too long to look for 4 or 5.
I don't think having 1 or 2 cups of coffee a day is going to kill anyone - if that's what you like.
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I think it's a bad idea to get our scientific information from anybody with a financial interest in the outcome of the study. They may distort their work or their interpretation to make it more favorable to them.
Unfortunately, much of research is financed by companies with a monetary stake in the desired outcome, rather than a primary interest in advancing knowledge for its own sake.
The research from a particular person may be trustworthy, even if they are selling something, but the entire system is corrupt in favor of corporate profits over truth.
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But, how do we get true scientists to keep with there studies....who should back them, if there isn't some sort of financial backing, people can't spend years in school, and then years (with no pay) researching. I understand the problems mentioned above, but what is the answer??
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Now that's the $64,000 question. How do we unravel all of this. The medical industrial complex is so intertwined with universities & medical research at this point.
It's sort of like the big oil & it's control over the planet... How are we going to de-escalate the problem when they are making SO much money.
I think part of it is that we have to inform ourselves as individuals so we can make better decisions on where we put our money. We have to look for alternatives & question authority.
When people are ill, they will do anything to get better again. We have to stop & think about the implications of any drug we decide to take. We also need to see if there are less toxic alternatives.
It takes a long time to look through the studies & cross-reference the data but we have to. Our life may depend on it.
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