susank
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Remembering when I took in a heartworm positive dog. Vet suggested the new slow-kill method. Intead of arsenic/whatever that can cause death he told me of new protocol whereby some dogs were being treated with monthly heartworm pills - just like HW neg dogs - but adding small dose Pred just in case any trouble. We did that protocol and had no problems. Dog was active the entire time and later tested HW neg. Is there something similar in treatment for LD/Bart (minus the Pred) for people ie herbs? Small dose, killing a little at a time, less toxic reaction/herx?
-------------------- Pos.Bb culture 2012 Labcorp - no bands ever Igenex - Neg. 4 times With overall bands: IGM 18,28,41,66 IND: 23-25,34,39 IGG 41,58 IND: 39 Bart H IGG 40 Posts: 1613 | From Texas | Registered: Aug 2009
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The problem with killing (lysing) B.B. slowly (as if months isn't slow enough ) is that it has the ability to adapt, change form & hide. You gotta "whack" it before it gets away.
My PCP used to think 1/2 the dose of doxy would kill (nearly) all the Lyme... It'd just take twice as long.
Then he read Dr. B's guidelines & spoke w/ colleagues. Needless to say, he's changed his viewpoint... esp. after I recovered so well under my LLMD's care. What's he say today? "More abx... earlier!" is how he put it as he left the examining room 1 time.
He's a "closet LLMD" now. Halellujiah & pass the yoghurt!
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Carol in PA
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Susank, Look into Cat's Claw, whole herb. It stimulates the white blood cells to phage (eat) any bacteria in the blood.
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Lyme can hide inside macrophages, wearing them like rubber masks. It's wily for sure.
Cat's claw is one of the several herbs discussed at length in Stephen Buhner's book "Healing Lyme," if you want more information about natural remedies.
A low dose of antibiotics will prevent the bugs from multiplying, but they multiply very slowly and have ways of hiding to reemerge later. A high dose of antibiotics will kill some of the bugs outright, leading to a better result.
Low doses (which are considered "regular" doses for other illnesses) may help keep it from getting worse and might be better than doing nothing, but they are unlikely to succeed at vanquishing the infection in the long run. I don't know about herbs, but there may be similar issues with them.
One reason IV antibiotics are thought to be more effective than orals is because a higher dose can be given at a time, achieving a higher level of drug in the blood and killing more bugs outright.
This is all based on things I have read. I don't have any medical knowledge.
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sutherngrl
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My story is a little different. I started out with larger doses the first year of treatment; and am now doing the low and slow method. I take low dose doxy. Have been on it for a year now.
I actually have made the most progress on the low dose. Don't ask me why, this is just my experience. My doc did say when we began the low dose that it was for the longterm, meaning at minimum a year. He stressed the word "minimum".
The first year of my regular treatment, I did not feel any better at all. At about 10 months into low dose treatment, I began to improve.
I still think it takes a certain amount of TIME.....no matter what the dosage or the treatment is. Time is what matters and this is just from what I have seen being on LN for the past 2 years.
I have seen ppl on high doses of antibiotics for 5 years get well and I have seen the exact same thing happen for people on low doses.
I have seen all kinds of time variations, but would say anywhere between 2 and 5 years on any protocol seems to be the average. I can't say from a scientific stand point; but just from observation.
I still have a ways to go; so only time will tell; but I am much better than I was when I started; and all my improvement came while taking low dose antibiotics.
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susank
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Tks. S'grl - what dose Doxy are you taking?
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