Topic: Samento=feel good, Cat's Claw=feel bad....which one should I take?
Hoosiers51
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Okay....seems like a no-brainer.
But I'm just kind of confused. Nutramedix Samento seemed to give me a little bit of a "boost." It still seems to, though of course sometimes it's hard to tell.
I recently decided to try Cat's Claw by Raintree, capsules. When I take 2 pills at once (what the label says to take), I get very achey, almost flu-like.
Is this good....or is this just some kind of sleeping beast/immune activation I don't wanna be messin' with?
Since it makes me feel so bad, I am hesitant to take it again. But then I think, maybe I'm on to something, and I should keep going.
Thoughts?
I think I will ask my LLMD too, but since I started this on my own....in a way, I'm kinda on my own with the decision.
Pinelady
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When I first tried it at dosage bottle stated, it knocked me on my rear. This was before seeing LLMD.
And it scared me off. Now I can tolerate and I am liking the results since adding in...You may do better if you lower the dose to start.
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Haven't talked to you all in a while, I hope you're improving a little bit.
First time I tried Cat's Claw, I had a mini-herx from like 1 drop of the stuff! But, that was before I had any ABX regimen what-so-ever. I'm inclined to try it again, but need to speak with my doctor first.
I think I know the gut-feeling you're having. When I started Enula, I felt the same way. I wasn't feeling good, and noticing a recurrence of symptoms. It scared me from wanting to continue.
But, I think I'm gonna go back and attack these when the times right. I want to be able to take all of this stuff, and not have a reaction to it.
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nefferdun
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I got no benefit from regular cat's claw but the TOA free type that I got in capsules seemed to help. Who knows though as Buhner says the regular cat's claw is better.
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Keebler
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- "Samento=good, Cat's Claw=bad."
NOT at all. Actually, I think it's the reverse. But different people have different reactions to the two different types.
About the cat's claw capsules, if two pills at once create symptoms, I assume that did not happen with one capsule. So, just take one and see how that goes.
The tincture of regular cat's claw is the very best support measure I've found. Samento does not have that effect as the very element which helps me has been removed. -
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Carol in PA
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quote:Originally posted by Hoosiers51: I recently decided to try Cat's Claw by Raintree, capsules. When I take 2 pills at once (what the label says to take), I get very achey, almost flu-like.
This sounds like a herx reaction.
Carol
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Hoosiers51
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Carol, Yes, I'm pretty sure it is a herx. I guess I didn't make that very clear. The other option I thought of was immune activation, which is pretty much the same thing, but I tend to think of a herx as more beneficial, whereas in my world, immune activation might not be good if it becomes TOO activated but isn't specifically killing bb.
Like I remember sixgoofy telling me that her and her LLMD decided she couldn't take transfer factor, because it was activating her immune system "too much" and it didn't seem like a herx.
If I'm not making a ton of sense, it's because I've been so tired.
I guess I was figuring if Samento actually makes me feel BETTER, should I forgo the one that makes me herx?
And Keebler, I meant I "feel good" on Samento and "feel bad" on Cat's Claw. I guess I should change my title.
Pinelady, which one are you referring to when you say, "it?"
Thanks everyone. Have been avoiding the cat's claw because I've been a wimp. But I will probably restart it.
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tick battler
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How much Samento are you taking?
If you are taking herbs for an abx break, you could try the Samento, Cumanda, Enula, Burbur combo and see how you feel. I don't think you necessarily have to have a herx to get well. But I bet you will feel something from this combo. My husband is giving this protocol a try after not getting too far on 2 years of abx. He also is taking GSE with it. He herxed on 2 drops of everything twice daily!
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Pinelady
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Una D. Gato, Cats Claw.
Doing some experimenting now. On skin with just water---burns like fire.
But mix it with coconut oil and it acts like any other antibiotic cream.
You can always empty out part of the capsules to start lower and ramp up. If it don't work out you can try again like I have later.
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But I will probably restart it.
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