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I have been put on a medication vacation for six weeks--speaking to my LLMD this week. Neurological symptoms have not been great, but right now my gall bladder is my main problem.
So far, I've had some pain (not severe), but fairly constant nausea and I thought to give it a try.
I have come across several gallstone/liver flushes, one which is very popular. It involves Epsom salts, olive oil and lemon juice.
The alternative treatments are not very effective and I want to avoid surgery if I can. I was wondering if anyone on the forum has tried this and if we should even do it because we have the Lyme weakening our systems.
Thank you.
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bcb1200
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Hi:
When I first started to feel unwell, I though ti was my gallbladder. This was because I always seemed to get sick after eating fatty foods. So I did a lot of research.
I have mised reviews of so called gall bladder flushes. I have heard they work, and have heard they are a hoax. That what you see coming out of you is really just the olive oil which has hardened due to the salt / lemon juice. Others have said there is no way to flush the gall bladder.
I'm no expert..but I did have doubts. I agree, though. Surgury is not the answer. CHeck out www.gallbladderattack.com. They give some good advice on diet, etc, to get healthy.
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I did a few liver flushes. I would advise doing a parasite cleanse first. I did a liver flush & didn't know I had parasites. I think the liver flush moved around stones or parasites in my liver & it was very painful.
I had to do a couple more liver flushes to get the pain level down. It was my lower back that was painful & I could barely walk for about 10 days.
I think there are benefits to doing the flush but it may be harsh on your body. I don't believe that the "stones" are olive oil. Whoever says that doesn't know what they are talking about.
There are more gentle ways to clear up your liver & gall bladder. Many people have gotten benefits from doing the Hulda Clark style flushes, though.
I would really do a parasite cleanse first. Take your time & don't rush things. If anything - I think the cleanses will benefit your Lyme treatment. You have to decide if you want to go the severe route or the more gentle route.
Dr. Schulze also has some detox programs for cleansing the organs. Curezone has alot of info & support, too.
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Sparkle I'm sorry to hear that the experience was so traumatic. It sounds like the cleanses ultimately helped you. Are you feeling significantly better?
I have the side back pain now, but again not horrible.
I am considering precisely the Hulda Clark, though I know there are many variations. I have never done a parasite cleanse either than drinking P'au Darco tea, which doesn't count.
Not being able to eat or drink is making me feel wonky and when I do, I it's worse, so I'm caught between a gallstone and a hard place. How long would a parasite detox take?
I have read that they take three months on some sights, others say a month, and I'm not sure if I should go with something prepared on the market like Dr. Schulze or Colonix or attempt to prepare teas myself?
Frankly, I'm not sure I can wait to try the liver flush because of my symptoms.
Thank you for your thoughts Sparkle. It's good to know that some Lymies are doing the cleanses and survived them at least. I'm nervous. Could you tell?
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Flush flush flush .......
Why oh why would further stressing an already stressed organ make any sense at all ?
Wouldn't that be like beating a tired horse ?
Oh well......"everybody" hears about it so it must be good, eh ?
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I have also read about liver flushes and honestly, they scare me.
The picture of "stones" that are passed after these flushes do not resemble the stones that are surgically removed from problematic gallbladders.
The flushes sound harsh. What happens if a stone gets stuck? You might end up needing emergency surgery.
I guess I'd just rather try to take good care of my liver and support it in any way possible.
Please be careful.
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I received a lot of benefit from the liver flushes I did. I did them after parasite cleanses, just as Hulda Clark suggests.
I did several of them until I saw less than a quarter cup of debris. Since I did them exactly the same and saw the results dwindle after several, I highly doubt that it's congealed olive oil that you see.
I also felt less fatigue after doing them. After a few days the fatigue would come back. After each one I got more time with no fatigue until the last, and the lack of fatigue was lasting.
I was Lyme free when I did these cleanses, and they helped tons with detox. I wrote about them extensively in my blog below.
I also should note, I did not have gall bladder problems that I was aware of but had lots of GI issues.
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I thought of the same complications, which is why I decided to skip it for now. I may do it sooner rather than later, but if I do I have to feel more sure about it. I'm going to get CT scans as soon as possible of my abdomen, pancreas or biliary area.
My PCP suggested that we do some blood work.
I was just there for a full physical six weeks ago, including sonograms of all organs, which is how the gallstones were diagnosed to begin with.
I didn't have them two years ago before I began treatment for Lyme. My endocrine system is shot. Many of you can empathize I'm sure. And I am generally not in the shape I should be, but then I wasn't stellar with the Lyme, Babs, and most especially Bart causing havoc.
I'll figure it out, but as I told Six it's nice to have a forum and feedback. I appreciate you all taking the time.
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There is no danger or pain in doing the liver/gall bladder flush, if you do it properly. No stone will get stuck. That's the purpose of the magnesium, it relaxes the smooth muscles, and therefore the sphincter from the gall bladder.
And, it's not a hoax. I've done them over decades with only good benefit. And taught clients to do them for the same amount of time.
And, when I had severe nausea from gall bladder sludging from rocephin, the flush totally took care of it. Why suffer or think about getting a needed organ removed??
And the organs are stressed, due to being full to the gills with toxins! (In answer to massman).
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I did these a few times and it didn't make me feel any different. Also, the epsom salt can be dangerous to take so be careful. The stones that come out like green jelly beans do look totally different from a real gallstone. Ive examined both and they are not the same thing...so...its up to you.
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And as always, there are ways to get organs healthier without further stressing them.
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wild condor is there a way to gently change my upper rightquadrant where the rib cage comes together. I have sharp stabbing gallbladder type pain. Am on multiples antibiotics and antifungols, What can i do to stop the stabbing pain that has happened on and of for one month + .
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I can't imagine having another surgerywould help me
I had appendix surgery ,appendix that was gangreneous. Now I am having pain like that but it uppermost slightly right side I dont qant to have gall bladder surgery so what to do? where breastbone ends
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