janice victorov
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Hi all, have been reading about the above being good for yeast.
Which is the best?
I need to go get some and hope to today.
Looking for input. JKV
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- Both are good but GSE can really be irritating to G.I. tract tissue. OLE generally is not.
OLE worked splendidly for me to totally prevent candida the last time I was on abx for 2 months. Nothing had worked as well in times before that.
I think OLE is just tops. GSE may be, too, regarding candida but GSE has more information about it being able to affect biofilm around the cyst form of lyme. I've not seen that about OLE.
Probiotics are still necessary, but take several hours away from both GSE or OLE.
Since I can't "do" GSE, I don't have much on that but you might want to start with one capsule, once a day, first within a meal. Or one drop of tincture, in full glass of water, chased by some plain water.
Start slowly with whichever you choose. One drop or one capsule a day until you get used to it. Both OLE and GSE can cause a herx so that's why it's important to start with a low dose.
I'll be back with my file notes on OLE -
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- I did have some links for GSE. I do use that as a mouth rinse and toothpaste. So, here that from the dental perspective: -----------
GSE drops can work wonderfully as a toothpaste. No other is needed. A glycerine tincture is better than an alcohol tincture for this purpose as it's thicker and a bit more gentle than one with alcohol.
For those with thrush - after brushing, swishing and rinsing, a fresh drop in a cup of water is good to swallow - coating the esophagus to help candida there - is good. Just be aware that it may burn a bit and have a plain glass of water handy it it does.
Olive leaf extract is also good for candid and some brands of OLE tincture also have GSE. OLE by itself has not (at least yet) has no documented application to helping the cyst form of lyme, though OLE is excellent against candida and many other things, but that's another topic.
The two products below are suggested by my ND and they work for my mouth. I use no other toothpaste. The Seed-a-Dent is a bit kinder to mouth tissue as it has some soothing and healing herbs, too.
I would prefer they come in a glass bottle rather than plastic, though. The glycerine base is less stinging than an alcohol extract would be.
-------------- An Olive Leaf formula (that contains Terminalia chebula):
My ND (naturopathic doctor) recommended MYROLEA B. Most naturopathic doctors and acupuncturists know about the Seven Forest formulas. As this is a combination formula, there are ingredients included to help the body with "clearing heat" and metabolizing toxins.
Myrolea-B (White Tiger) is a simple formulation of highly concentrated extracts from four Chinese herbs and one Western herb.
The Chinese herbs include forsythia and lonicera, two of the key ingredients of Ilex 15 (and the main antiviral ingredients of Yin Qiao Jie Du Pian), thus boosting the dosage of these essential ingredients.
Myrolea-B also contains the antiviral agents scute (huangqin) and terminalia (hezi). The Western herb in this formulation is olive leaf, which is one of the primary anti-viral herbs derived from the European tradition.
SHUANGHUANGLIAN: Potent Anti-Infection Combination of Lonicera, Forsythia, and Scute - by Subhuti Dharmananda, Ph.D., Director, Institute for Traditional Medicine - 2003
Shuanghuanglian (SHL for short) is a modern formula that was devised in the 1960s to treat a variety of infections. It is comprised of the alcohol-water extracts of three herbs: lonicera (shuanghua, often called jinyinhua), scute (huangqin), and forsythia (lianqiao). . . .
. . . One of the early preparations of the SHL was a tablet made of equal proportions of the extracts of each herb. This was used to treat leptospirosis, a disorder caused by a spirochete bacteria, related to the organism that causes Lyme disease.
Leptospirosis causes initial symptoms of fever and chills, headache, and muscle ache (especially in the shoulders); these are consistent with "flu-like" symptoms described for the onset of many acute infections.
In a 1971 report, the formula was described as being made in 500 mg tablets derived from 3.7 grams of the crude herbs, and being administered in doses of 10-15 tablets (thus, equivalent to the extract of 37-55 grams of herbs) every 6 hours (1), a very high dosage.
. . . Recently, Shuanghuanglian has been applied successfully to treatment of Coxsackie B3,
. . . The general indications for SHL . . . are "relieving the exterior syndrome, clearing away heat and toxic material," and its indications are "treatment of fever, cough, and sore throat that arise from wind-heat syndrome."
It is said to have "a good action in treating upper respiratory tract infection, tonsillitis, laryngopharyngitis, pneumonia, acute enteritis, viral dysentery, etc., when caused by virus or bacterial infection."
- full article at link above.
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Detail from two of the most reputable sources of OLE:
Die-off effects -- Olive leaf use causes the death of microbes. The liver, kidneys, intestines and skin are therefore tested to their limits, to deal with, and remove them. This causes Herxheimers Reaction, which can have a variety of symptoms, but basically makes one feel ill or under the weather due to a treatment's effect upon the body.
Thus, "die-off," referred to in medicine as the "Herxheimer reaction," occurs when the olive leaf components kills large numbers of harmful germs rather quickly. Then, the patient's membranes absorb toxic products from these dead microorganisms. . . .
See details at link for:
* Safety Precautions and * Known Drug Interactions
SEAGATE Olive Leaf Extract - also see their menu for all their OLE products, including nasal spray, personal spray, etc.
Excerpt:
Side Effects: Olive leaves have been used safely for thousands of years. The only known side-effect is the possibility of a Herxheimer reaction, an allergic response caused by the rapid die-off of fungi that release toxins which may temporarily cause a brief allergic reaction, lasting for several days. -
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Oil of Oregano did the trick for me.
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Keebler, thanks so much as I'm on my way out to the store to purchase one of them.
Can you tell me if you think liquid or capsule is more potent regarding the ole. My yeast infection is quite bad. I have been on diflucan since sat and it's not helping much.
janice
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- As canefan suggest, Oil of Oregano is also very good. As a hot oil it's best to get it in gelcaps that dissolve after you swallow them. Also start with a low dose, in the middle of meal until you get used to it. Do not take too late in the day as it can be stimulating and cause insomnia.
You can get a tincture that is already in a carrier oil and add to water for a mouth rinse. Some do okay swallowing this in water but be sure to start very slowly and use only a brand that is diluted. Oil of Oregano, as an essential oil, needs to be diluted or serious internal burning can result.
You can search here for "Oil of Oregano TINCTURES" - All would be diluted with carrier liquid but still needs to be put in at least 1/2 cup of water and, if necessary, followed by plain water if swallowed. Each would be good as a mouth rinse. -
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- Janice,
as the candida is established, just one week on Diflucan will not likely do much. It will take weeks. Adding in OLE can be a great help but it will still take weeks to show much effect, most likely.
I was able to start OLE before abx and it was much easier to prevent it. However, the striking effects have me think that, even with an established candida infection, it would be good.
I don't know how often you are taking Diflucan but I would continue that for while. I'd go today and get a good brand of OLE capsules AND tincture from your health market. Herb Pharm is a good brand of tincture.
You'll need the tincture for a mouth rinse. If you can handle it, swallowing some can help address candida that is in the esophagus but if that burns, just back off.
I highly recommend the MYROLEA-B formula as it has other things to help move out toxins. Myrolea-B is what gave me such good results. However, I've heard good things about the others that have links in that set above.
Whatever you use, you have to start slowly, but a capsule or tablet form would be far easier for your stomach to tolerate.
If you get a tincture, be very careful when reading the label. Some also contain GSE and that can burn. OLE, itself, does not burn but the alcohol in the tincture can.
A glycerine tincture would be much cooler for a straight OLE.
But, for the mouth, the GSE products I listed above contain glycerine instead of alcohol. I find those very easy to use for mouth relief.
And, if using capsules or tablets, you'd still need the tincture to treat the mouth. Seagate has nasal spray and a personal spray for women's needs, too.
Most health markets would also carry some vaginal suppositories with homeopathic ingredients. Some of those may contain boric acid which can be very effective - but - for some women this can burn. I'd get two brands, one with and one without boric acid so that you have a choice. If you can tolerate it, boric acid is stronger and more effective. Others may be more soothing in nature. -
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thanks got the info and have enough meds for at least a week.
I'm going to the store now to see if they have it.
I'll let you know later what I get. Janice
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- For women, or men, too. Most health markets carry this:
My ND suggested this for burning/itching of sensitive personal areas. It has been very helpful and soothing. I tried other brands but this is the ONLY Calendula gel that I can recommend. Others are too oily and not as soothing. This brand nearly saved my life, the pain had been that bad.
Boericke &Tafel's brand is non-oily and very easy to use. Most natural food stores carry it in their supplement section. Or you can order it from Vitacost's link above, etc.
calendula officinalis - 208 abstracts -
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Do you think the OLE will interact with the flagyl im on for the yeast/bacterial infection??
Janice
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- I don't have any literature that speaks to that. I do recall that I took OLE (as Myrolea-B) when I was on flagyl for short time and did fine. My ND was on board with that.
I would not take them at the same time of the day, though. I would not take an alcohol tincture when on flagyl, only a glycerine tincture.
This product should be avoided in pregnancy and lactation. Use with caution if you are allergic to Olive tree pollen as it may cause a seasonal respiratory allergic reaction. This herb may cause mild gastrointestinal irritation, particularly if taken on an empty stomach.
* Known Drug Interactions
Olive leaf may potentiate the effects of blood pressure lowering medications and theoretically may interact with anti diabetic medications due to its potential to affect glucose levels.
Further, this herb may interact with drugs that inhibit blood clotting and platelet aggregation, including but not limited to warfarin (Coumadin�), heparin, clopidogrel (Plavix�), pentoxifylline (Trental�), Talk with your healthcare professional if you take any medications. -
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oh no,does that I mean since I'm on high blood pressure meds I can't take this?
Any ideas? Janice
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- OLE can lower blood pressure. So, if you are taking an Rx that does that, OLE could lower it too much. Or it may help your medicine work better. But blood pressures meds are not all the same.
Do you have a LL ND (naturopathic doctor) around? It would be best to consult with an expert who has had four years+ of medical college course work with herbs and human medicine, and one who is also lyme literate. -
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janice victorov
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Thanks. No, I don't have an ND around here. I might google it and see what happens.
I'll try the ole tomorrow. Apparently, it can cause herx symptoms right away. Oh joy, just what I needed.
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- Others have reported some herx reactions but, with Myrolea-B, I never had any of that. It was wonderful from the get-go. My brain woke up and I felt better when on it.
It may be that since the Myrolea-B has added herbs to help clear "toxic heat" that helped. I've not taken other brands other than that one. -
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