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farraday
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Here's something to think about. When President Obama visited a 107 year old woman recently he asked what her secret was. She told him it was the teaspoon of garlic she took every day!

My mother in law is 101. She says her secret is her faith and the teaspoon of apple cider vinegar she takes every morning!

Could these two gals be warding off candida over the years, thus keeping their immune systems intact??? I know that my mother in law had had breast cancer and overcame it. She still writes me letters every now and then.

I'm in awe of both of them! [woohoo]

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Garlic is the "choice antibiotic" in many countries that sell abx OTC. It kills pretty much everything bad, I do mean everything from viruses, to Lyme to candida to parasites.

ACV is excellent for the bodies PH and helps normalize digestion so you absorb food and nutrients correctly. When the body is not acidic and more alkaline, bacterias, fungus and viruses cannot survive.

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What if you have a mold allergy, possibly to Lyme disease?

Vinegar is on a list of things I should be avoiding...

Can anyone chime in here?

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Cider vinegar is very good for some people but it's good to be aware that vinegar can actually feed some yeasts. It's not for everyone.

Garlic can be excellent for some but can also burn those with tender tissue in mouth, throat, esophagus and stomach.

But the beauty of nature is that, if one thing doesn't work for someone, there are so many other choices. Whatever works.

I can't take garlic (other than cooked in food) but andrographis works great for me. I hear of others who can't tolerate andrographis at all but garlic works for them. No two snowflakes are the same. Neither are people.

A few years ago I heard of a book by a two sisters, each around 100 years of age, and they both swallowed whole one clove of garlic a day. They never got sick. I'd say there is likely something to the garlic, for sure. Now, it's a bit baffling, but I can swallow a small clove whole and do okay. I just can stand even a trace of the oil in my mouth or it burns forever, it seems.

Others can chomp on the stuff and ask for jalapenos for dessert!
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Anyone know if it matters if it is cooked or raw?

I am really starting to think about alternative meds especially if the mepron doesn't work.

And you just swallow cider vinegar out of the bottle - like what you buy to cook with?
thanks everyone

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I use Kyolic garlic. It's freeze dried and has no smell. I teach pilates so am regularly close to people I don't know very well, so smelly garlic is out for me! When I eat lots of garlic, I even smell it in my sweat, so for me, it's Kyolic.

Apple Cider Vinegar is good, too. I drink kombucha. It has the same acetic acid plus other beneficial acids. We always have apple cider vinegar (raw, the heated stuff loses the benefits) in our refrigerator, and I notice my kids will drink it in water when they don't feel good, and will stop when they do. It's like their bodies know when they don't need it anymore. I've noticed that myself. When I don't need it, it tastes horrible, but when I do, I can't get enough of it.

Bragg's apple cider vinegar has instructions on it. You just put it in water with a little honey.

Wolfed out, I would think raw apple cider vinegar would be okay with a mold allergy (I have a mold allergy and I'm fine with it). The processed vinegars are not so good. But double check with a doctor who knows about natural cures.

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sixgoofykids- I noticed at the store there are several types of Kyolic garlic.

Which one do you take? I want to try to take garlic but cannot have the garlic smell.

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I take the "cardiovascular". It is only garlic. There is one that has astragalus that I have also taken, I believe it's "immune".

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Which would you suggest for Lyme?

I wonder if it can be given to a child? (9 yr old)

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Only difference between ACV and say... white vinegar is that the white vinegar is distilled.(as are almost ALL vinegars)

ACV is full of minerals.

Neither should cause yeast problems contrary to popular belief.


A lot of organic/natural condiments now are made with ACV. Yay!

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I Suggest you use Apple Cider Vinegar with (MOTHER) in it.

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Both burn my stomach "beyond recognition!"

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steve1906
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I know what you mean Lymetoo, I don't do it everyday anymore for that reason. Alter reading post I decided to take a short... [Frown]

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Recently I came across a recepie for garlic chips- it was simple to make and I served them as a topping to salad- absolutely delicious!

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steve1906
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Here's one>
2 pita breads

4 teaspoons olive oil

1 garlic clove, crushed
1. Heat oven to 350� F.

2. Using a small knife or kitchen scissors, cut along circumference of each pita bread to remove folded edge.

3. Combine oil and garlic in a bowl.

4. Brush each pita round with the oil and garlic mixture.

5. Stack the rounds and then cut into 8 wedges.

6. Arrange wedges in a single layer on a baking sheet and bake for 8-10 minutes until chips are golden brown.

Makes 32 chips, 8 chips per serving.

> Want's yours?

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are we allowed pita bread??!!! I am dying for a some type of bread.
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Ok I am confused. So people just eat a clove of garlic a day and that helps?

Is Kyotic Garlic just bought at a grocery store like regular garlic?

I am willing to try anything to help my body.

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I can't find my book on Apple Cider vinegar but from memory it is good for arthritis, skin, digestion and killing bacteria.

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jackie,

I use garlic as my antibiotic
Here is a post I looked up for you that GiGi posted several years ago:

Topic: A little bit about Garlic ........
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At a recent 3-day seminar on ART I, at the end my doctor hung on a little talk about various remedies he uses most frequently such as garlic, cilantro, chlorella, etc. Here is what he said about garlic. It came with some nice overhead statistics and research, which I cannot give you here because I can't show you the video of the seminar.
Here it goes - in rough:

"A little bit about Garlic....

The issue came up - many of you have heard me speak on garlic. First of all, here is the study on garlic --- on h. pylori - it is extremely effective to give freeze-dried garlic, or in this case garlic oil for h. pylori, which is one of the major infections that we are dealing with these days.

Here is a German study - a comparison between Bear Garlic and garlic. Bear garlic is wild garlic, which is the plant that grows in Central Europe and is absolutely great. That's what the old Germanic tribes used to do - they attacked Rome and brought the Roman Empire down in April, of whatever year that was, because in March, when the bear garlic comes out and they cut and are eating the leaves of the bear garlic and they are getting so much energy from it, they don't know what to do with it. Their hormone levels go up, all their infections go away, and ....
(laughingly) the Germanic Tribes they were doing this thing every March, beginning of April they would eat bear garlic and cleared out all the parasites, all the infections, and then went and conquered Rome and did all these other things..... All of it is long forgotten, but it has an effect on you and one of the reasons I always go in April to Germany is - my friend overthere grows a hugh plantation of bear garlic among the trees in the woods and makes me this bear garlic pesto. I do four weeks of bear garlic pesto and can tell you that it is for me incredible.....

A little bit about Allicin. Garlic is associated with this compound Allicin, which has been shown to be the most potent natural antibiotic. (showing an exhibit of MIT)
It is extremely effective for Staph aureus, and some of the physicians among you know that there is no antibiotic left that's effective. Well, there is plenty of research that shows that freeze-dried garlic is absolutely 100% effective for it, and it puzzles me that science ignores that. This is from peer-reviewed journals, not small stuff. Candida - may be important for you - that freeze-dried garlic is an absolute for treating Candida.

Let me talk about Allicin. Garlic contains Alliin, which is the chemical precursor to Allicin, and they get converted to
Allicin through an enzyme called Alliinase. That happens when you chew garlic; when you break up the cell membrane of the plant cells, the enzyme that is in the cell wall gets released and combines with alliin and then allicin is created within 20 seconds.

Allicin has a half life of 10 days. Any of the garlic products that you buy - garlic oil, kyotic garlic, etc. - there is no allicin left in it. So any prior experience you have had with any garlic products, other than fresh garlic, forget that. Erase that out of your mind ``tried garlic once and it didn't work'' - put that on the side.
The only garlic products that have their full allicin-releasing potential left is fresh garlic and freeze-dried garlic.

When you swallow garlic, when you chew it for a few seconds and wait for 20 seconds before the conversion after you chew it, and it hits the stomach acid, the enzyme is immediately neutralized and the conversion doesn't happen. So if you take raw garlic and eat it, it doesn't happen either.

If you eat it on a full stomach (on a full stomach the Ph comes up from 1.5 to 4.5); you can eat it at the end of a meal and the conversion happens. You chew the garlic, the enzyme is activated, you swallow it, it doesn't get killed by the stomach acid, and you get the full allicin release from it.

Chewing garlic has the disadvantage has that you smell like........... (laughter)

When you eat garlic, you smell. When you take freeze-dried garlic in capsules, there is no body odor. There is a mild body odor that you can detect if you go close to the skin of the person who is taking it.

Garlic is also very effective for treatment of amoebas and giardia, most species of worms; in Lyme Disease - Dr. Zhang in New York published papers on the effectiveness that allicin also penetrates the blood-brain barrier and goes to the CSF and can clean up things there.

It is really a fantastic agent for our time. The way to take it is 2-3 capsules at the end of each meal - needs to be taken at least three times a day, better four times a day, just like penicillin. Remember, penicillin you have to take every six hours, you have to take it four times a day to make it work, and the same with freeze-dried garlic.

It is great for general health.

Question: Do you chew up these capsules?

Answer: Freeze-dried garlic - you swallow it at the end of a meal when the Ph has come up; then the juices in the gut mix with the garlic, put it in solution, activate the conversion and you get the whole shebang (sp?) of the allicin release.

I want you to try to remember that any time that any prior experience, when people talk about garlic ``yeh, tried it and worked a little bit'' or so, they didn't do it right, I promise you. If you follow these rules, it becomes the most powerful medicine that we have.

It is also for ......... clostridium, there is a study there - some of the modern infections that we have no solutions for in medicine, try garlic.

Question: either the fresh or the freeze-dried - you want to take following the meal?

Answer: Yes, there is no point - if you cook garlic, you destroy the enzyme. Also if you put it on your salad - most people eat their salad before the meal, forget it - it doesn't work.

Question: You want it to be activated after it hits your stomach?

Answer: yes. If you can't take the capsule, put it in water, stir it, wait 20 seconds until the conversion happens, then drink it. Then it won't be destroyed by the stomach acid.

The best solution for topical problems - use garlic tincture on the skin, by far the best garlic tincture is from Morin Labs. (describes the technical aspects of manufacture). Even though the garlic is broken up in small particles where there are still some cells intact, the moment you put it on the skin, from the drying-effect the cells rupture, the allicin is released and it is a great antimicrobial. So for fungal infections (feet and everywhere) use garlic tincture - major for staph infections on the skin (freeze dried garlic inside - tincture outside).

Tincture is also great to use orally. Great for gum disease. Do it at night - slush it around in your mouth, go to bed, don't swallow it - just sort of leave it there, and it kills all the microorganisms. If you have a partner, if you both do it (there is this habituation to the garlic taste and smell), if your partner also does it, in the morning either one of you can smell each other and will not be offended by it.

It is a powerful tool of the past and of the future."

It's a must for Lyme, viral infections (fish oil too for virals). From my experience.

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Somone on another thred recommended the brand bio-pure for garlic. If I remember correctly this brand purported to contain allicin while the makers of Kyolic claim allicin is an odor and cannot be capsualized.
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I noticed that Dr. Zhang was quoted in the post above. What about Zhang's allicin capsules - I wonder what the doc would say about these? You do smell bad when you take these, but I would guess they work. He claims to have success with it.

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