17hens
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A lymenet friend suggested I give Ginger Juice to my daughter for her severe GERD.
I have a question for the friend, just can't remember who it was...
I made the ginger juice (2 lbs. of ginger put thru a juicer and store juice in fridge for 3 weeks) and tried it - I thought I was swallowed fire for 5 whole minutes!!!!
Any ideas how to temper this so as to convince my 14 year old to drink it daily?
I'd love to use it if it will really help her, but how do you make a child swallow something that is downright painful?
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Fresh raw juice is healing for so many reasons and recipes abound mostly in books one can find in the library (that brick house with books inside...).
- most fresh juices lose their enzyme potential after 30-60 minutes, so drink it fresh, make it when you are ready to consume - other roots also have powerful enzymes and antioxidants, perhaps moreso than ginger and have super duper antimicrobial effects - be very careful with your juice dosing, you may be overdoing it - carrot with ginger is nutritious, sweet, zesty and incredibly tasty - watch the sugar counts if you have candida; may not be smart to take while on antibiotics; but you can juice many low sugar items
Hope this helps.
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- If your mouth is still burning, I suggest some aloe. Maybe some coconut oil. Some whole grain, holding it in your mouth to absorb back some of the ginger spice.
I don't think anyone should be DRINKING Ginger Juice. [edited: I see clarification below that it's to be one teaspoon so that softens my initial reaction - still, for some it may be too irritating.]
Ginger capsules are less painful. As they do not open up until further down into the digestive tract. -
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GINGER - From University of Maryland Medical Center
Excerpt:
. . How to Take It:
Pediatric
Ginger should not be used by children under 2 years of age. Ginger may be used by children over 2 years of age to treat nausea, digestive cramping, and headaches. Adjust the recommended adult dose to account for the child's weight.
Most herbal dosages for adults are calculated on the basis of a 150 lb (70 kg) adult. Therefore, if the child weighs 50 lb (20 - 25 kg), the appropriate dose of ginger for this child would be 1/3 of the adult dosage. . . .
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Of course, in cooking, a little ginger root is often used.
Note, the whole root is not mentioned below. Just tea (which is very much diluted) or capsules:
From: The One Earth Herbal Sourcebook (Tillotson, et.al.)
WHAT IT DOES: Ginger root is pungent in taste, and warming, and mildly tonic in action. It improves digestion, reduces nausea and mucus, settles the stomach, and reduces inflammation.
SAFETY ISSUES: Ginger may increase absorption of pharmceuticals, and
** may irritate the stomach in sensitive individuals or those with severe acid reflux problems. **
STARTING DOSAGE:
* Dried powder: 500-1500 mg one to three times per day
* Tea: drink freely . . .
* Because of its digestive and anti-nausea actions, ginger can be used to treat dyspepsia, nausea and vomiting associated with pregnancy, vertigo, dizziness and motion sickness (Schmid et al., 1994; Visalyaputra et al., 1998). . . .
. . . Ginger acts as a digestive aid as well as a peripheral blood circulation stimulant, so it is useful for increasing poor circulation. Its pungent essential oils aid digestion by stimulating the activity of digestive enzymes (Platel K et al., 1998).
However, despite its hot spicy taste, ginger inhibits the synthesis of the ``bad-guy'' inflammatory chemicals, prostaglandin and thromboxane (Kiuchi et al., 1992).
TCM doctors tell us that fresh ginger is better than dry ginger for easing nausea, mucus, indigestion and stomach pain, and for stopping diarrhea caused by poor digestion. Conversely, they tell us dry ginger is better for warming the body.
The anti-inflammatory actions of ginger, noted centuries ago by TAM doctors, are strong enough to reduce muscular discomfort and pain in osteoarthritis and rheumatoid arthritis (Srivastava et al., 1992). . . .
Deglycyrrhizinated Licorice, also known as de-glycyrrhizinated licorice, or commonly referred to by the acronym DGL, is typically used as an herbal supplement in the treatment of gastric and duodenal ulcers. It is made from licorice from which the glycyrrhizin has been removed.
The usual dosage is 760 mg, chewed, 20 minutes before a meal. Studies of DGL in humans and animals against placebos showed that DGL significantly reduced the size of gastric ulcers and hastened healing, with 44% of the subjects obtaining complete healing, as opposed to 6% of the control group.
DGL has also been found to be an effective treatment for duodenal ulcers. In another study a group of 40 patients who had duodenal ulcers for 4-12 years were treated with 3 grams of DGL a day for 8 weeks, or 4.5 grams a day for 12 weeks, with all subjects showing vast improvement, with the higher dosage being the most significant.
An additional study shows that DGL's therapeutic effect is equal to the effect of cimetidine (Tagamet). . . .
. . . There are no known drug interactions with drugs used to treat ulcers. In Europe, South Africa, and Canada, DGL is marketed in a medicinal preparation called Caved-S. In the U.S., DGL is marketed as a herbal supplement.
DGL has also been reported to help treat aphthous ulcers (canker sores).[1]
WHAT IT DOES: Licorice root is sweet in taste and cooling in action. It detoxifies poisons from the blood and liver, and reduces general inflammation and pain.
It moistens and heals the lungs and digestive tract.
Excerpt:
. . . Almost 50 years ago, a scientist by the name of Revers reported that licorice paste reduced abdominal symptoms and caused radiographic evidence of ulcer healing.
However, about 20% of patients developed edema, headache and other symptoms due to overdose, leading to a loss of enthusiasm (Schambelan, 1994).
This led to the development of DGL (deglycyrrhizinated licorice), a form of licorice that does not contain the agents responsible for the side effects such as electrolyte changes.
The de-acidified DGL tablet or capsule form used in Europe and America is therefore devoid of any major side effects, and is effective for healing the intestinal membranes. . . .
- Full chapter at link above.
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Just is just one of several similar products out there. DGL has saved the life of my stomach and can stop reflux within a minute.
A list of various brands of DGL (Deglycyrrhizinated Licorice) - many are chewable so they will soothe the esophagus and cool reflux. -
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Treat Bart
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Dr. Walt Stoll's articles on health. Click on #28, Upper Gastrointestinal Symptom Relief.
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- Carol,
Thanks for that link. I see he recommends: "a teaspoon (of ginger juice) every morning on arising" for 3 weeks. While still too hot for me all by itself, 1 tsp. is not the amount I first thought of regarding drinking it. I had envisioned a cup or so of the straight stuff.
I'm curious to know who's done this? Could the 1 tsp. go into 16 oz. of water? That would help, I would assume. I did that much years ago and worked on it for an hour or so.
In Chinese Medicine, usually there is never one single herb taken and a hot herb would be balanced by a cool herb so as not to upset the body too much. While I think the article mentioned ginger is used in Chinese medicine, using it alone is against the principles of Chinese medicine which works with combination formulas. -
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quote:Originally posted by Keebler: I'm curious to know who's done this?
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Here are testimonials by people who have tried this protocol.
Once you click on one of those threads, just read it to the bottom, don't bother clicking on the links within the thread.
I've never tried this, but I'm having good luck with using d-limonene for reflux.
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Wow, Carol, those testimonials are great! Where DO you find your info??
OK, so now I know if would be worth trying, but still, how do I get my daughter to drink fire?
Anyone think I could dilute it in water like Keebler suggested?
Canefan, my daughter has been treating Bart for 8 months now. Still has GERD. Still needs 80mg protonix a day. Bummer. Still looking for a faster solution to the GERD.
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I have done the ginger juice treatment (1 tsp twice a day for 3 weeks, as per Walt Stoll) for a very painful GERD situation I had a few years ago. Before that I tried EVERYTHING, DGL, slippery elm, herbs, etc, raising the bed, restricted diet, prescription meds, and nothing helped. The ginger eliminated the problem, and it re-occured only once or twice after that, each time solved again with ginger juice but for a shorter period.
It did taste like eating fire, but only for a short time. The after effect is kind of pleasant, like when you eat a hot pepper. I can't remember but I think WS says to wait a while after the ginger before eating? I think that mixing it with something might dilute the effect, but I'm not sure.
You could experiment with apple cider--the Vietnamese make a wonderful cider drink with a strong ginger infusion in it (cinnamon too) which is wonderful. How about heating a little cider (or apple juice), 6 oz or so and add 1/2 tsp of ginger to start, the cinnamon will make it taste sweeter. See if she likes that and how it affects her, then increase the ginger a little.
Again, I don't know if mixing it with something will give you the same effect, but I don't think it would hurt to try it.
I also don't know if this treatment is suitable for Lyme patients. When I did this it was long before my severe symptoms started. I probably had Lyme then but it wasn't really active.
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- Carol, sillia - thanks for that added information.
One property of ginger, it's heat - also stimulates the body. Now, some can take ginger capsules before bed and do just fine (ginger helps with pain so sleeping is easier).
For me, ginger capsules are a bit stimulating. So, just a note for anyone with anxiety or adrenal stress to also have adrenal support on hand so that any stimulation from ginger does not zoom the body too far off track (if you know what I mean because I can't think of the words I need right now).
That initial burning can stress the adrenals, too, so adrenal support on board as a regular tool is a good thing to prevent high cortisol spikes from a burst of heat.
One good thing about the stimulation is - the stimulation. Gets a lot of stuff moving and that is good.
As for diluting it, you might see if you could contact the author. His site may have a way to do that, with emails, etc.
I wonder, too, if ginger capsules might be of some help with GERD, then. If your daughter is ready to try this soon, you might first want to get a bottle of drinkable aloe and keep it in the fridge to soothe if needed. Water, itself, cannot put out the heat of spice.
Now, chasing it with chilled aloe juice may negate the effect - or it might help. It might be good to have in your toolbox if you see your daughter's head spin around in a cloud of smoke. I can see this as a fun bonding experience (?)
Carol, sillia - thanks for that added information. -
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I have just started a diet that combines the right food groups to stop Gerd overnight. I am on the 3rd day and NO i mean NO Gerd in the last 2 days and 2 nights. I do not work for these people as you all know I have been on here for years. I had a choice of being on meds that would cause cardiac issues or find something else.
This is working and I has spaghetti last night and no issues. The name of the book is Sherry Brescia Great Taste No Pain. I am very happy so far and the explanation of what our digestive tract digests certain enzymes makes sense.
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- sk8ter,
Thanks for detail. I have no GERD but have not been able to eat citrus for years - just reading over her website, that is explained and it can be corrected. (I'm not on abx so candida is not a problem but those with candida need to be careful with most fruits.)
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