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lymegal23
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Like lets say someone was successfully treated for lyme. like they got bit and then a few weeks later developed IGM antibodies and went on doxy. and it went away

they tested igm positive a few weeks after the bite. but they treated it. so the IGG anitbodies should start to be forming and the IGM should go away

I have read if lyme is treated successfully and early, the IGM antibodies should go away within weeks to a month.

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You would think IgG antibodies would be generated. I mean that's how it works with every disease I can think of.

Chronic Lyme seems to defy rules.

A positive IgM blot may go blank rather than generating IgG antibodies. I think this is why the experts think these positive IgM responses that are generating are false positives. If only more of them used proper microscopes.

Of course, this wouldn't make it into (mainstream) medical journals, because it makes no medical sense.

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Are you asking if you will be cured in a month's time?

There is no test can can show lyme is gone. Unlike some other typical infections, it cannot be tested along they way to see how treatment is doing.

There is no cure for lyme (at this time).

The goal is a good remission - and some are so long lasting as to suggest a cure - there is always the chance for a flare. But, after remission has been achieved, if a flare is treated aggressively, it can be just a minor blip on the screen.

I would not put so much energy into thinking about tests. Science is just not there yet. Borrelia is very intricate and able to outwit most testing methods.

If you have lyme, it needs to be treated for many months (sometimes years) and for a couple months past feeling well. Then, when in remission, take good care of yourself.

Although it can take a while and it's not a walk in the park, many go on to have good lives with lyme becoming just a memory.
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Regarding the complexity of borrelia and how a "stealth" pathogen can evade testing:
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http://www.holtorfmed.com/lyme-disease.html

CHARACTERISTICS of BORRELIA BURGDORFERI: A Culmination of the Literature - by Kent Holtorf, M.D.

1. Over 1500 gene sequences

2. At least 132 functioning genes (in contrast, T. pallidum has 22 functioning genes)

3. Twenty-one plasmids (three times more than any known bacteria)

IMMUNE EVASION (�STEALTH� PATHOLOGY)

1. Immune suppression
2. Phase & antigenic Variation
3. Physical seclusion
4. Secreted factors

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Researcher Eva Sapi has some fascinating observations. It's not just the spirochete: Borrelia b. has many forms and, within those, dozens more.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmvgOfIN_8c&feature=related

Excellent Video narrative with Eva Sapi.

ADRSupport � April 03, 2010

� This video is a 10 minute clip, part of a 70 minute interview with Dr. Sapi from the University of New Haven.

She is credited with being the first researcher to demonstrate that Lyme spirochetes can actually create their own complex biofilm community to survive indefinitely within their hosts; both human and animal.

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www.townsendletter.com/FebMar2006/lyme0206.htm

BIOCHEMISTRY OF LYME DISEASE: BORRELIA BURGDORFERI SPIROCHETE / CYST
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