Topic: Ever heard of or experienced Sulfa drug (Bactrim) to block liver?
17hens
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I took my DD to a homeopath this week. DD has not been detoxing well with much brain fog and increased fatigue and now very constipated.
Homeopath did Asyra test and normal sulfate count is 200 but DD's is 1600. She asked if she's on sulfa abx (yes, Bactrim ds for 6+ months) and she said that's likely what caused it.
She said DD's liver is blocked and stressed. She should not do liver support like milk thistle (as this encourages liver to work) until liver is unblocked.
DD must avoid all sulfates, sodium and potassium and food and products (like deodorant).
Homeopath treats w/ Cowden protocol and if DD won't go on it, she shouldn't schedule another appointment.
I'm feeling lost. How do you unblock the liver in a safe way? How long does it take? What should be done and what shouldn't be done during this time?
-------------------- "My flesh and my heart may fail, but God is the strength of my heart and my portion forever." Psalms 73:26
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I don't know if this can help in some way, but our LLMD always has us take Nutramedix Sparga alongside Bactrim to protect you from the Sulphur. Perhaps the homeopath can see if Sparga can help unblock her liver and detoxify the sulphur from her body ?
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Keebler
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- Asyra (a computerized electrodermal testing system) - that can be helpful but it's not foolproof.
Avoiding all sodium and potassium can cause problems with the heart. Our heart relies on those for its rhythm. Did she mean in supplements or in foods, too. Sure, if they are too high, that can cause a problem. Had those levels been tested with a blood test?
Did she offer no other liver support that is more gentle than Milk Thistle ? Bupleurum comes to mind as one that has worked for me when I've had severe liver stress. There are thousands of herbs from which to choose - and many particular foods, too, or other self-care techniques.
Is this homeopath also a ND (naturopathic doctor) or a L.Ac. (acupuncturist) or holding some other degree/training beside whatever she was certified in regarding homeopathy?
If not, I would find someone else. Even if so, I would be inclined look elsewhere.
I would ask your LLMD about this before making any Rx changes.
And if this homeopathic is not ILADS-educated and able to work with other protocols besides just Cowden, you can find another one where with a greater range of expertise.
For any doctor to say it has to be just this one plan or forget it implies a lack of expertise on their part. I think that is what I'm having the most trouble with here. There are many other options beside Cowden. No patient should be forced to choose just one and ever LL ND should be able to work with various plans.
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17hens
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quote:Originally posted by Keebler: - Avoiding all sodium and potassium can cause problems with the heart. Our heart relies on those for its rhythm. Did she mean in supplements or in foods, too. --- supps & food
Sure, if they are too high, that can cause a problem. Had those levels been tested with a blood test? -- no, will happen this week
Did she offer no other liver support that is more gentle than Milk Thistle ? -- she put DD on a powder under the tongue glutathione
Is this homeopath also a ND (naturopathic doctor) or a L.Ac. (acupuncturist) or holding some other degree/training beside whatever she was certified in regarding homeopathy? -- RN
If not, I would find someone else. Even if so, I would be inclined look elsewhere. -- I am.
-------------------- "My flesh and my heart may fail, but God is the strength of my heart and my portion forever." Psalms 73:26
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17hens
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thank you ticksickfamily & keebler!!!
any others?
-------------------- "My flesh and my heart may fail, but God is the strength of my heart and my portion forever." Psalms 73:26
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Tammy N.
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Wish I had helpful suggestions, sorry I don't. But am sending warm healing thoughts your way. I pray that clarity and answers come to you.
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17hens
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Tammy -
-------------------- "My flesh and my heart may fail, but God is the strength of my heart and my portion forever." Psalms 73:26
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sammy
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17hens, I would be upset if I had an appt like that too. You should give the homeopath a call to clarify her instructions. And I agree with Keebler's suggestion to find a more experienced practitioner to help you and your daughter.
Until you learn more specifically what you should do to support/unblock the liver you could try to make sure that your daughter is drinking plenty of water and do what you can to relieve the constipation. Maybe try increasing her magnesium dosage or adding Miralax for awhile until the bowels get moving regularly. Hydration and elimination are basic functions, supporting them should help reduce the toxin burden.
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I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure that the mineral molybdenum may be helpful if you have reactions to sulfates. Salads in restaurants often have sulfates added so the lettuce will not turn dark.
Here is some info from a great article all parents need to read.
"Sulfates are tested using a urinary dipstick. Some patients will exhibit high levels of sulfates, which may be a result of genetic influences, inadequacies of liver detoxification pathways, past sulfa antibiotic use, or simply eating meat from animals that were fed sulfa antibiotics to enhance their growth."
Unfortunately the article does not address how to treat this problem.
Bea Seibert
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17hens
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Thanks, sammy, for your understanding and advice.
Thanks, Bea, for the great article. I've copied & printed it and will show it to LLMD this week. If this lady wrote it, he'll have to understand why I'm so concerned about this!
-------------------- "My flesh and my heart may fail, but God is the strength of my heart and my portion forever." Psalms 73:26
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