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Thanks to those of you who have been following me along trying to make progress. I started Marshmallow Root about a week ago, and it has been really good for making the throat feel loose.
So loose, I guess, that I'm now hiccuping randomly. Not continuously, just a single hiccup. A lot of times, this hiccup is accompanied with a little bit of acid (feels like), and my throat burns a little.
Well, I'm not sure how to deal with this. I don't want to start taking antacids with all the other stuff I need to take throughout the day. And, I don't really understand why I never felt it much before, but now that something is loosening up, I feel it a lot more.
Thoughts?
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I've found that marshmallow root slows down my gut motility too much and I get very backed up/constipated. I wonder if it is doing something similar to your stomach/esophagus?
Also, if you are taking anything that contains peppermint, that can make reflux worse...
Someone told me that hiccoughs are caused by parasites...I don't know if this is true or not.
Maybe DGL would help - deglycyrrhizinated licorice - tightens the lower esophageal sphincter and prevents reflux...
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I thin DGL is exactly what I DON'T need. I've been battling this feeling like I can't get trapped air out of my chest for over a year. It was so bad, I had to sleep on my stomach for a long time.
But, the Marshmallow Root actually soothes the throat and makes it feel like it opens up. Problem is when it loosens, I get the reflux reaction now.
I'm not backed-up or anything. Still going 1-2 times daily. Just the throat/acid reflux thing.
Interesting bout the parasites. You think you could pull up any sources on that?
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I was actually suggesting the possibility that the marshmallow root may be slowing down the motility in your esophagus and/or stomach, thus causing the reflux...and the DGL is a known treatment for reflux...sorry for being unclear before...
So if the DGL is not what you are looking for, then I don't know what may help...perhaps homeopathy? I find Nux V. helpful for reflux/acidy tasting burps...
And maybe the hiccoughs are the gas finally trying to move out or go somewhere instead of staying stuck? I don't know...
Yeah, never did look into any research on hiccoughs and parasites...just was mentioning what a parasite expert practitioner/herbalist told me once. He didn't give me any sources for his info. and because I'd never heard that anywhere else, that's why I said I didn't know for sure if this was a real thing or not...
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I have a lot hypersensitivity surround my illness. That makes this even more trying.
About 4 months, I picked up a Licorice Root tea from the local health store to help with adrenal fatigue. Just this 1 cup of tea did a number on me -- caused increase of visual trails, anxiety, shakiness, lack of focus.
Ever since then I've been paranoid to try Licorice Root again. Is this a different type of Licorice Root?
I have been pondering the parasite idea hard, and always kind of have. That may be the way I'm going next. Again, so tough with all my hypersensitivities.
Thanks.
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No, DGL is made from licorice root. "Deglycyrrhizinated" means that the part of the herb that causes elevated blood pressure has been removed. I happen to be allergic to licorice root also, so I understand your reluctance to try it again.
There are other herbs that can help with adrenal fatigue...probably best to consult a doctor who is more well-versed in this though...
Yeah, I have a lot of hypersensitivities myself, and it is a challenge to work with and do what we need to in order to get well from all this stuff.
Wishing you best of luck with whatever you try next...take care,
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Hi Wolfed Out Have you considered cutting back the marshmallow dose?
Maybe it's too much for your right now. if it's helping on the one hand but not helping on the other, my first thought is to try cutting back and seeing if that helps.
A strongly sensitive body is tricky to work with. Small doses, even minute and sub-therapeutic ones, will do the trick for a sensitive body where a more hardy constitution requires more.
I understand this first-hand because I react strongly to things too. I have found that I have to do tiny doses and then if it is agreeing with me, the small dose works.
You could try taking a break and starting again to see how it helps you.
Acid reflux can also be food allergy triggered. Digestive enzymes might help. Try doing papaya and pineapple in your diet daily to see how they help. If the pineapple is too acidic, try the papaya. See how you tolerate it and if it helps. Try also an all-around digestive enzyme supplement, this can be part of the program and I have seen it help a lot of people.
One woman whose case "stumped" me had hormonal imbalance as the root cause. I turned her over to an ND, who said that estrogen imbalance in her case was causing the digestive lining to be too thin. She put her on black cohosh and natural hormones to help her digestive GERD. Men have certain amounts of female hormones too and vice versa.
Marshmallow should help acid reflux, not cause it. But there are contradictory responses in some people and what can you do.
See if moderation helps. If not PM me and I will tip you off to a doc who specializes in hypersensitive bodies and knows how to work with them.
It is possible that DGL will give you less of an over-activated response than the straight herb will. But a hypersensitive body will react to many things that other people won't, even trace amounts of the glycerrhizin may set you off. However it's worth a try because yes, DGL can be very helpful with acid reflux. Maybe try sucking on only part of the tablet and throwing it away, don't do the whole tab, just to see how you tolerate it. Some stores will have sample jars that you can reach into and sample one of the pills before you buy it.
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GERD made worse by caffeine and sodas, check out articles here about GERD (gastro esophageal reflux):
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Hi again Wolfed OUt According to nutritionist/pharmacist Earl Mindell in The Vitamin Bible of the 21st Century, the symptoms of gastric hyper acidity can be exactly the same as when you have too little stomach acid.
Aha!
The marshmallow is rather basic in nature. It could be that you are a bit too basic in your stomach, then?
(This is not the same as in the blood. Keep in mind that things change after being digested).
If this is true, then:
Bitter herbs stimulate bile from the liver, which contributes to a more acidic digestive environment.
They also aid the secretion of digestive enzymes.
Aloe is only a very midly bitter herb, it could be worth a try. It also has lots of allantoins, which are wound healers, helpful if you want to tone up your gut lining.
I still think to cut back first before adding anything else new may be a smart way to go, if you have a sensitive system.
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DR Oz just said on TV to gargle with ice water to get rid of hiccups. Never tried that one!
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Here is a good article about acid reflux by Dr Mark Hyman. Mentions food allergies as one of the causes (as above), enzymes as part of the solution (ditto), other things. He also thinks that helicobacter pylori, the bacteria involved in ulcers, is also responsible for acid reflux (he says his position about this is controversial). He suggests testing for h. pylori and if infected, to treat it. More things, this is a good article:
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I'm doing OK today, Chica. I think it may have something to do with Samento or Cumanda. I slowed the dosage today, and it's not as bad.
I may just have to let my esophagus/throat heal before I go further..
Time for dirty parasite cleanses instead.
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I'm so glad and relieved to hear that, Wolfed Out!
Now it's all making much better sense. I couldn't quite understand why marshmallow would contribute to reflux...it wouldn't unless you were having a paradoxical reaction. That can happen, but it's rare. So....glad to hear all is well after all. Good!
Marshmallow's mucillage constituents can be useful in supporting inflamed or irritated membranes fyi.
Perhaps ask your doctor what s/he thinks of building up the gut lining prior to starting any anti-parasite program. I am not a doctor, and am stressing that this is a matter which requires your doctor's opinion.
Here is a parasite/lyme cleansing formula that I Just came across, that may be very supportive. It's formulated in such a way that I suspect would be easier on a strongly sensitive body than many others out there (though I can't guarantee that it won't cause reactions either, take it easy...start with one drop in a cup of water, every two days, to acclimate. See how you do. Then go to every day. Increase slowly, and see how you do as you go along). I do think this is gently, effectively and rather brilliantly formulated as a product:
Read here how the herb spilanthes (in the formula above) may be useful in supporting your body's "get rid of it" powers when infected with parasites or lyme:
Make sure your doctor is overseeing this, parasite infections can range from minor to serious and require a physician's guidance. Don't do this alone, and any information offered here that is done alone is taken out of the context in which it is meant to be used. It is meant to be done under your physician's guidance. That's to your best interest.
The above information has not been evaluated by the FDA and does not diagnose, cure or prevent any disease. Drugs and herbs may interact, talk with your doctor.
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About leaky gut syndrome. This article links several holistic health physician's own article about the disorder, for further reading. Important to understand this syndrome (the medical term meaning that it causes a domino effect throughout multiple body systems):
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