Topic: KPU and exercise intolerance? Help from KPU experts please!
tick battler
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Hi all,
My husband seems to be making some progress on the CORE product he has been taking for KPU for the past 6 weeks. His 3 year headache seems to be slowly diminishing and he is successfully lowering his dose of sleep meds.
His appointment to get into see a Klinghardt-trained doctor who can help us with the KPU protocol is not until May and I am a little nervous that we are missing some important binders, etc in the meantime...
One thing that worries me is that when he goes for a run, he is completely wiped out for 2 days. He ran yesterday morning and today woke up totally exhausted and had a bad headache. He felt terrible all day. I don't think this is good. Has anyone experienced this exercise intolerance when on KPU?
I know that there are many things (binders) that can help with KPU but I don't have the time right now to sort through it and to come up with a protocol. If anyone can provide their protocol (brands too) and doses they took when on KPU, it would be much appreciated.
His current protocol is:
6 Core/day (2 per meal) King Chlorella: 10 twice day with breakfast/dinner 2 Zeolite twice weekly at night 1 Biocolotox 3 times day/meals 15 drops Cilantro twice daily Fish Oil Energy Boost 70 Probiotics twice daily 15 drops GSE twice daily
I just received some microsilica and chlorella pyrednoidosa and Calcium Bentonite Living Clay from Biopure...wondering if we should add these in and how much, how often, with food, etc...and if there are any side effects we should be careful to watch out for (e.g., constipation, etc.) when taking these products.
I would also welcome any other recommendations on other things to add which you feel helped you.
Thanks so much!
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joalo
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NanaDubo
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I'm not a KPU expert - a couple of things come to mind. Running will most likely cause toxins to move.
Also.. how did he arrive at 6 Core? Most people I know on the Core only take 4. I was put on 2.
Microsilica will bind heavy metals that are in the gut. I wouldn't want to start trying to remove them from the brain if the gut is overwhelmed with them.
Wish I could help more - just sharing some thoughts.
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GiGi
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This looks like a strange protocol and you need to have a talk with whoever prescribed it. 30 drops of Cilantro and the same of GSE seems to be excessive to me. Cilantro crosses the blood brain barrier (science available) and it is not a good idea to start a protocol with this agent in such high amounts while the rest of the body is most likely still very toxic.
Nana said it well.
If allergic to metals, that explains part of the feeling miserable. Due to exercise, lots of mobilized stuff and body doesn't know what to do with it!
Take care.
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tick battler
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Nana, Thank you for your input - very helpful! I have tried to convince him not to go so high with CORE yet but he says that Dr. K recommends 8 per day so he thinks 6 is fine. I tried to explain this means work up to that (possibly)...isn't that what your understanding is? The EDS machine did test him at 6 but he went from 2 to 6...I wanted him to try 4 per day first. Still working on that.
When you say you wouldn't want to remove metals from the brain if the gut is overwhelmed...are you referring to Cilantro...do you mean he should start with microsilica and then try cilantro later? Is Cilantro intended for detoxing metals from the brain?
I think this protocol is helping because the good news is that his headaches (when is isn't exercising) and his insomnia are getting better. Insomnia has been his worst symptom since day 1, so we are very encouraged to see that he can now lower his dose of sleep meds.
Gigi - thank you very much for your input as well. Why do you have a concern about the GSE with the Cilantro? It is my understanding that they do very different things. Is it bad to use them together? Please let me know your specific concern so I understand. What is strange to you about the protocol?
He is still on GSE to kill the remaining candida in his body, which is almost gone. He has recently been able to stop Samento and Cumanda because we think his lyme/coinfections are gone. The protocol tested well but I feel we need to add/modify it so I appreciate your input. I feel well versed in lyme treatment but not so much so with the heavy metal detox and KPU.
AI is a possibility for him down the road...was going to try it with some of us first. Maybe I will do it with him instead of one of my boys...since we are starting over again with new samples because of the mix-up.
NanaDubo
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Yes, I meant I would start with microsilica. I mix mine with phospholipid exchange in a little lemon or grapefruit juice. Microsilica binds more metals in the gut (far more) than chlorella.
Cilantro crosses the blood brain barrier and if the gut is overloaded with metals and you start removing them from the brain, an overloaded gut will not welcome more and they may be recirculated.
I don't think Gigi was referring to the combination of GSE and cilantro, I think she was saying that was a large dose of both and either one. They are both quite strong.
There is a method of taking cilantro and chlorella but I would want my gut cleaned up first.
I never had any success detoxing heavy metals prior to AI due to the allergy or "wrong identification" of them.
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GiGi
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Excessive minerals of one kind can throw the rest of the minerals out of balance. I have neverheard anyone taking EIGHT Core. MORE IS NOT BETTER. That is a lot of zinc. Make sure not copper deficient.
Zinc depletes copper. MANY KPU PATIENTS ARE COPPER INTOLERANT, BUT ALSO COPPER DEFICIENT in various body compartments (wbc, cranial nerves, frontal lobe/dopamine, etc.) Varicose veins - think copper deficiency
Here is all the info - please read all of it, including the video (scroll down). Every word is important and it really needs the understanding of a practitioner as a guide. This is not do-it-yourself.
Take care.
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