Topic: Coffee enema--what went in didn't come out. Something did though
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Tonight I did my first coffee enema. Been wanting to do this for at least a year, however, I'm a big chicken when it comes to putting an object up my behind and letting it drink coffee.
Anyway, tonight I started with one tbs of coffee in two cups of water. I waited ten minutes for the coffee to go in, then I waited ten minutes before I sat on the toilet.
It took awhile, but finally some liquid did come out, but it was not the color of coffee, it was pretty clear actually The amount of liquid that came out was much less that what was put in as far as I can tell.
Other than a bit of clear liquid coming out the only other thing, or I should say things, that came out was what I felt looked like mucus. It also looked like it could have been parasites, but I'm really not sure.
My wife, daisyrlb, said she believes it looked more like parasites than it did mucous. So, I really can't say what it was but it was a fair amount that came out. Anyone think it was parasites? Has anyone done this and only mucous comes out?
My concern is this, it's been two hours since I did the coffee enema and it concerns me that the coffee is still in there and not moving out. Is this something I should be concerned about or will it eventually evacuate itself out?
So far I haven't experienced any real pain, just a bit of fullness feeling. Don't feel any better but probably should not expect to feel better just doing one coffee enema I suppose.
Any comments or feedback about this would be appreciated.
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I haven't had that happen with the coffee enemas. It does sound strange but maybe others have experienced that and can offer an explanation?
What I was going to suggest is that you could follow it up with just a regular enema (not a coffee one) if you are concerned about the coffee not seeming to come out.
Maybe that would help?
That certainly is an interesting experience that you had. I wonder if it was parasites? At any rate whatever it was I am sure it is best that it came out. Maybe there is more that needs clearing out.
Let us know how you do.
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Anyone?
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I decided to google "parasites that look like spiders or octopus" because that's what those things looked like. Lots of links showed up.
Sounds exactly like what I saw in the toilet after GWB's experience. YUCK!!!
Seems he is ready to do this again...wants to get rid of them...I'm glad we found out.
One of the articles I read calls parasites the "Silent Killer" as they steal your supplements, vitamins, etc.
O_M_Gosh...GROSS!!!
PS: Posting this too on the "Liver numbers not normal" thread I started.
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and see if any of these resemble what you saw. It might be a good idea for you to do some parasite cleansing. Do a search on here under parasites.
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If you're dehydrated, you can absorb the liquid put into the colon instead of evacuating it. Drink more!!! (From the other side).
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six, thanks for you input. I drink tons of water a day, truly I do, that's what really puzzles me. I find it hard to believe I'm dehydrated with all the water I drink. In spite of the fact that I do drink a lot of water, I guess I'll try to drink more.
What about the stuff that came out? Do parasites come out with coffee enemas or would that most likely be mucus? Really was hard for me to tell, but daisyrlb thinks it was parasites.
I'm gonna do another one today. I do admit that even though hardly any liquid came out of me I feel somewhat more energized today. Interesting.
Looking forward to my next one later this afternoon.
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GiGi says lots of water alone is useless and WILL dehydrate you.
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quote:Originally posted by seekhelp: GiGi says lots of water alone is useless and WILL dehydrate you.
can you explain that?
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...it will demineralize you even more.
To add to Seeks, If the liquid such as water has no other ingredient for the body to get busy metabolizing, all that happens is the water rushing straight through flushing out the few minerals most of us have leaving us with more deficit. Per Dr. K. the water drinking craze is one of the worst habits people have adopted and medical doctors are pushing. Before I ever drink a glass of water straight I must be very thirsty.
Look up the Rehydration cocktail I posted some months ago - that will explain further how to hydrate.
Fruits and vegetables are mostly water - 80-90%! Soups, mousses, liquids with substance.
Detoxing anything without minerals or an inadequate mineral base is an impossibility!
Take care.
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gwb
If you took binders and/or ate a lot of fiber beforehand it will absorb the coffee
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Right, you need to have enough minerals with the water, I agree. When I drink more than a couple glasses, I use some Himalayan Salt in the water.
I try to drink things like coconut water/milk, or a juice, either homemade carrot/beet/celery or something like Pom, but that's higher in sugar, which still is needed for hydration. Mostly I drink water.
I do eat a lot of soup in the winter with homemade bone broth.
You can have mucus because of parasites that is not necessarily parasites. Other things can probably cause mucus, but I'm not familiar with those things .......
It's not surprising that it still helped. It's the coffee stimulating the liver that makes you feel better.
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This explains what happened to my mother. She drank so much water that she washed out an important mineral and became dificient.
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I did my first coffee enemas last week and did them twice
both times like you it seemed like far less liquid came out...
also the mucus looking film is supposedly liver BILE (this is normal)
it all sounds rather normal to me and this is exactly how my first 2 went down without problem
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six, after GiGi posted I added Himalayan Salt to my water. Good idea. Thanks.
canefan17, no I didn't take any fiber or binders before the enema.
Paul, glad to know i'm not the only one who experienced this. Did you feel any better after the coffee enemas? What was your experience like?
GiGi, thanks for the information. i will check it out.
Was planning to do another coffee enema this afternoon but our son asked us to babysit our two grandkids. Enema and grandkids--not a good combination. Guess I'll have to wait till tomorrow. Sure was looking forward to it tonight. *sigh*
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Hi GWB May I suggest you look at Linda Rector Page, ND (naturopathic doctor)' s book called Healthy HEaling. The 11th edition on page 230 has instructions for enemas and various herbs and which ones are best for which conditions/situations. It also has pretty good detoxification pages.
Mucous= liver bile?? I am not convinced. Bile is a bitter yellow fluid secreted by the liver to break down fats, cholesterol and aid digestion. It is bitter and acidic and highly unlikely to cause mucous, just by its very nature.
Mucous is secreted by the body to shield itself from....bacteria, viruses, dust, pollen, food allergens, etc....
So it's a sign that the body is trying to protect itself. That's the good news. The downside is that excess can possibly be a sign of some kind of inflammation/irritation going on.
Parasites? If yes, I would suggest you consult the book above (in most healthfood stores, and frankly a good book for every household to own!) or do a search here where only renowned naturopaths post their articles: www.healthy.net
To minimize any possible gastric inflammation/irration, check into food allergies as one possible cause. See also the excellent booklet by Elizabeth Lipski MS, CCN titled Leaky Gut Syndrome. You may or may not have a leaky gut, but yay or nay the therapy outlined in the book is excellent for colon health, regardless.
Garlic enemas: According to Dr Rector Page these are anti-mucous and anti-parasitic. She says to use 6 cloves of garlic, strained, to 2 cups of water. I add a suggestion to let the garlic sit out for 20 minutes after chopping or pressing, to allow the active allicin constituents to release. Then drop into the water thereafter, strain and use.
Coffee stimulates the liver which can be a good thing, but if there are elevated liver enzymes then it is probably not a great idea to stimulate an already over-stimulated liver. Alternatives would be chamomile and yarrow, both liver "cooling" herbs (further reference: See Christopher Hobbs, LAc, book called Natural Therapy for your Liver).
I would suggest after enema therapy, to do one or two colonics (which go deeper into the intestinal tract than a home enema can do). Be sure to massage the abdomen prior to expelling, when doing enemas. This releases matter that is stuck to the intestinal walls. Very important.
Thereafter, to combat parasites:
Acidic and high-acidophilus foods such as sauerkraut, kimchee, also kefir and yogurt to implant friendly bacteria and thereby rebalance the digestive flora. Acidic foods create an environment inhospitable to the survival of parasites, lots of vinegar is helpful. I am not talking about blood ph, I am talking about digestive ph. There is a big difference. Cultivate a slightly acidic digestive ph and you will be better off. Make sure there is ample fiber in the diet, start building fiber levels slowly. This increases peristalsis (intestinal contractions which propel food and waste along) and sweeps the walls of the colon clean. Very important.
Digestive enzymes could be helpful to aid digestion of foods and reduce bowel transit time (the time it takes for foods to get from one end to the other. This affects either healthy food assimilation or colon putrefaction, as the case may be). Fiber is important for healthy bowel transit time, so is water, and so are digestive enzymes. Further reading: Digestive Wellness by Elizabeth Lipski, CCN MS.
Rainbow Light makes excellent digestive enzyme products, one of these contains marshmallow root which can help to soften the surfaces of the digestive tract, thereby aiding food assimilation and waste elimination. Google Rainbow Light enzymes + marshmallow and you should find it. To reduce chances of drug-herb interactions, take the marshmallow-containing enzyme formula separately from mainstream meds, about 3 hours apart.
Please note that according to Dr Mark Hyman and Dr Joseph Mercola, the gut lining, its integrity, its secretions (enzymes, mucous, acids, more) account for the first 80% of the body's immune defenses! When matter sticks to intestinal walls and clings, this causes the capillaries in the gut to absorb the toxins contained in the fecal material (including heavy metals et al, which are re-absorbed) and thereby contributes to inflammatory or immune system imbalance. Further it obstructs nutrient absorption. To cleanse the colon will be aiding your recovery all-around, even if it is not The CUre for lyme itself, it also is a very important adjunct therapy. Keep going.
HEADS UP: Enemas can be habit forming, with bowels becoming increasingly dependent and performing less of their own peristaltic/cleansing actions. USe them therapeutically but intelligently, as needed but avoid any regular schedule in so doing. The body can become dependent on the schedule. Attend to your diet to maintain the cleansing thereafter.
None of this information above has been evaluated by the FDA. This information is not intended to diagnose, cure or prevent any disease. This is for your educaional purposes only. Always notify your doctor about vitamin or herb supplements to avoid any possible drug-herb interactions.
Be well and happy, and a healthy recovery to you!
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I felt better like 30 minutes after the enema
I did 2 one on tuesday and one on thursday
they seem to make me feel better almost immediately after
I need to do another tomorrow
if you feel good I would not be overly concerned as to what comes out.
all I know is same as you I was like wow that doesnt seem like all the liquid came out.
either way I felt better
Paul
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Shouldn't take 10 min. to go in. The bag should be about 2 feet above your body. A door knob works good.
Make sure you have a bowel movement first and then let it just run it wide open. Shouldn't take more than a minute to run it.
Can't explain the color thing as only David Blane would know that :-)
I wouldn't worry, but if you suspect parasites, get on a cleansing product like Parastroy from Vitacost. Nice and cheap and very strong.
Gary
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I forgot to mention:
IF it should turn out that you do have parasites (this is not a diagnosis, please check with your doctor to be sure), then artemesinin is used as anti-parasitic agent.
So is the herb wormwood, but caution it should be used in moderation, can have some toxic side effects if used in excess. See the excellent book Potters Herbal Cyclopedia by Elizabeth Williamson about the herb. Try also here: www.christopherhobbs.com or here www.healthy.net
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Coffee enemas are supposed to be specifically to boost glutathionine (spelling?). There's a process to the whole thing.
I believe that if you lay on your left side, you will feel the bile duct open up as you retain the coffee. This is supposed to be good.
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If you suspect parasites, it's a good idea to take some anti-parasite herbs for a few days/weeks/months & do a plain water enema. Yes - it's very possible to see mucus, biofilms, ropey looking mucoid plaque, parasites, parasite eggs - yes it's gross... Better out than in - I always say.
For more info check out the curezone website or look into "colonics" on google. People like to post gross photos of stuff that comes out. You would be amazed! It's informative, too...
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Thanks everyone for your excellent input and suggestions. I did another coffee enema tonight and used a different bag and hose because the one I had was not a good one. The coffee went in quickly, about 3 minutes.
I waited ten minutes then sat on the toilet for about two minutes before the "explosion". Tonight a lot of caca came out and most of the liquid too. It felt good to get it out of my system. Couldn't really tell if there was any parasites or anything else due to the amount of poop in the toilet.
Later on, and even now, I feel relaxed and calm. It's a good feeling and I'm planning to do another one tomorrow before we fly to Florida for a week. Hope tomorrow's enema will help me to have energy and feel good for the week we're in Florida.
chiquita incognita, you offer many great suggestions and ideas for me to consider. When I get back home from FLorida I will do some more research into this and consider doing some of the things you mentioned. For now, it's all about KISS. Keep it simple ....... : )
Again, thanks for everyone who contributed to this thread. It really helped me a lot and I'm very much looking forward to doing another coffee enema tomorrow. Hopefully it will give me the energy and good feeling I'll need during our time in Florida.
Sometimes you will hear or feel a squirting out and emptying of the gallbladder. This occurs under the right rib cage, or sometimes more closely to the mid line.
If after a week of daily enemas you have never felt or heard the gall bladder release, You should consider making the coffee stronger, going up in 1/2 Tablespoon increments per quart, not exceeding 2 Tablespoon per cup.
Alternately, you may need a slightly larger volume, such as 3 cups at a time. Sometimes, 3 enemas (2 cups or less each) rather than two at a session are more beneficial for some.
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Good luck! Sometimes the caffeine will make you a bit speedy. I find it's better to do them earlier in the day as opposed to the evening.
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What flavor creamer do ya'll use? Posts: 7545 | From The 5th Dimension - The Twilight Zone | Registered: Mar 2008
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chiquita,
Please xplain wormwood's toxic effects if used in excess.
I think this is a myth
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There are conflicting opinions as to which side we should lay on when doing enema.
Is it left or right?
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All I've heard is right from about 10 sources
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quote:Originally posted by sparkle7: Sometimes you will hear or feel a squirting out and emptying of the gallbladder. This occurs under the right rib cage, or sometimes more closely to the mid line.
If after a week of daily enemas you have never felt or heard the gall bladder release, You should consider making the coffee stronger, going up in 1/2 Tablespoon increments per quart, not exceeding 2 Tablespoon per cup.
What if you don't have a gallbladder. I had mind taken out due to pain on the right side/rib cage. They did an ultrasound, saw a couple of stones and said it had to come out.
The pain is still there.
Can someone without a gallbladder do an enema?
Will it (possibly) relieve the neverending stabbing pain?
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Good morning folks. Today I had an experience I've never had before. After my bowel movement I discovered some strange looking worms in the toilet. They very much resemble this, in fact, I'm quite sure it WAS this:
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Hi Canefan To answer your question about wormwood and its potential toxicity, no this is not a myth. The reason I know this is because I have some formal training in herbalism, and I am quoting you some of the world-top authorities in the field as I write this:
Elizabeth Williamson, ethnopharmacist in her book Potters Herbal Cyclopedia, mentions the constituent thujone as one of the wormwood plant's constituents. This constituent can cause hallucinations and pyschosis if in excess. It is thought that the artist VanGogh cut off his ear because of the influence of this herb in a liquor form which he drank, as the alchohol extracts much of this and other constituents.
You can read a bit about it here, Christopher Hobbs keeps it short but sweet on his website, but trust me he is scientically in-depth. He will draw molecular chains on a board about any herb you mention, without looking up a thing. He will rattle off the top of his head about herbal pharmacology, herbal and body chemistry, double blind studies, how a particular patient (naming the sex of that patient) in the study had medical vulnerability x prior to participating/how that tweaked the outcome of the study, and more. What's more is that he is very full disclosure, Christopher HObbs will never hide a thing. He will tell you when a medication is more effective than an herb, when marketing hypes are just that about a herb, etc. Here is his website:
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GWB why are parasites coming out now? Because you have expelled a lot of matter which was previously sticking to the intestinal walls, and out come the parasites along with it.
What causes stuff to stick to intestinal walls like glue, is refined flour products and lack of fiber and water.
If you wish to keep it simple that is understood, good reason too. Sorry to go on at length or to overwhelm. However if you want to keep it simple, it is really important to observe some things about dietary colon health as future preventive measure. To repeat, only an alkaline environment in the digestive tract (as distinct from blood ph, this is a different matter) will foster the growth and maintenance of parasites. An immune specialist who trained me also said that in his view, the immune system will only sustain long-term infections (parasites, bacteria, candida, etc) when the immune system is run down to begin with. It's a chicken and egg relationship: On the one hand, the infections/parasites etc run the immune system down, but on the other hand they wouldn't be there for the long-term unless immunity was weakened to begin with.
What weakens immunity could get to be a long paragraph or essay, but to make a long story short chemicals and heavy metals are the worst offenders, diet plays an important role too and sugars can feed parasites. Sad news, sugars are so divinely sweet and don't think that I don't love them too! I am not a purist, believe it or not....
I suggest reading Elizabeth Lipski's book, Digestive Wellness. It's very good.
Best wishes to everybody here and much healing and recovery to you! Thank you for sharing so openly with us, it's an enlightening lesson to all of us and we all can benefit. I am learning as I read here too, and appreciate it! Best wishes to all.
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Why are parasites showing up now? Partly because of expelling as above, but there is more.
BItters (coffee could fall into this classification) stimulate bile flow from the liver. This causes a more acidic intestinal environment. Parasites don't do well in that environment, period.
That's where artemesinin is a great boon in killing off parasites. Grapefruit seed extract, ditto it's way too bitter/acidic for them and they can't stand it, will have to die and leave. Coffee is not specifically anti-parasitic but it does stimulate some bile flow and that could have something to do with it.
I offer this as an educated speculation but not as absolute fact. I am not a doctor.
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GWB, I thought this was interesting...especially the part I put in bold.
At the bottom is the link to the website page where I got this info.
RE: Coffee enema
"Hold the fluid for as much of the 10 minutes as you can.
Beginning sessions will fall short of complete success. Each session will be more effective than the last, until the process becomes routine and complete retention is no longer a problem. The Gerson Therapy calls for a 15 minute process.
The caffeine triggers natural peristalsis (recurring contraction/ relaxation) of the colon which urges emptying. You will be battling a natural inclination to empty out.
One early welcome result will be the tearing loose from the colon wall of patches of accumulated sticky tar. This is from gummy commercial white bread and other fiber free baked grains and starches- donuts and cakes. These yucky, sticky tars, harbor parasites. Removal of the patches will expose whatever has been hiding under them..."
PS: The entire article was very interesting.
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daisrlb, interesting. I'm ready for another "Latte" up my you know what later today. Need to get some more of those buggers out, along with those old bagels, donuts, muffins, etc.... ; )
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chiquita,
Parasites can cause those symptoms you mentioned.
I had major hallucinations and OCD type symptoms during first week of anti-parasite treatment due to die-off reaction. Music hallucinations as well.
And it was same dosage wormwood I still use today. (with no problem)
Just sayin - parasites can mess with a lot of brain-related symptoms. Don't write-off those experiences being herxes
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Hi Canefan Thank you for weighing in! No worries, I was not attributing this to herx's at all. As for parasites causing brain symptoms, it makes sense to me. And there are many things in the medical world that can all mimic each other. That is something I have learned, the more I have read.
That said, I am duty-bound to stand firm about wormwood and its side effects. Read what phytotherapy authority David Hoffmann has to say about it. The thujone constituent can, *in excess* cause convulsions, coma, severe vomiting and diarrhea, etc. He writes about this in his book Medical Herbalism. That doesn't mean that the herb doesn't have its benefits, it is an excellent vermifuge (parasite killer) and is used as such all the time. It stimulates bile flow from the liver and does many other things.
Not all natural things are non-poisonous. Don't forget that poison ivy/poison oak are natural too, so is the poison amanita mushroom. You get my point. Thankfully most herbs are benign, but there *are* some that do have side effects and to warn the public about this is the only ethical thing to do. If herbalists did not, they would not be responsible.
Fortunately also, the herbs have much fewer and much less severe side effects than most mainstream drugs. To stress again, however, that does not mean that all herbs are side-effect-free.
I don't know if David Hoffmann wrote about wormwood on this site www.healthy.net but it would be worth a peek to see. If yes, it would be in the Herbal Medicine center. See also Christopher Hobbs's page above.
YOu simply wouldn't believe what authorities these guys are and the details of their knowledge. They know more about the body than pharmacists I talked with locally, they know herbal constituents and double blind studies in and out, have more than 30 years each practicing experience, treat AIDS and cancer, etc. They are no slouches and their word can be trusted, as can their ethical full disclosure. Check them out if you don't believe me. It's to your own best interest to know before you take an herb whether it carries any possible warnings. Most don't but some do, to stress again.
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PS David HOffmann adds in his book Medical Herbalism about wormwood:
The essential oil carries more of the toxic thujone constituent than the dried herb. The dried herb is lower in this constituent, making it a safer choice. So it is safer as tea, ground herb, etc than as essential oil. Just to note.
That does not mean that the tea or ground herb doesn't have some of the toxic thujone constituent. AGain it will take a lot of it to produce a side effect, unless someone has liver compromise or other medical vulnerabilities.
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chiquita.
I have taken wormwood that was incorporated into other herbs such as Humaworm, Hanna kroeger, Parastroy etc.
These herbs have been lifesaving and along with salt/c have put me well on the road to recovery. Just don't want folks to be afraid of something that could be so beneficial.
gwb,
you mentioned that you were doing low dose salt/c. This could definitely cause the parasites to be expelled since the salt puts them into osmotic shock.
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HEADSUP, THIS IS IMPORTANT:
GWB et al, I was reading in Paul Pitchford's book last night "Healing with Whole Foods" which contains a section about parasite purges:
He pointed out that "it is a common misconception" that parasites infect only the digestive tract. Sometimes, depending on the type of parasite, they can infect other organs, even the heart he said.
NOt to scare you, and I want to stress that he said it was only certain types of parasites that migrate to other organs.
Based on that, I would suggest you consult your doctor and make sure you are tested.
Pitchford offered that the herbs actually work better as anti-parasitics than the medications, but of course each person should do whatever they are comfortable with.
The point is, the enemas are a good idea but may not be the whole picture, if these parasites are the migrating type. To do herbal or medical interventions will be necessary, above and beyond.
Paul Pitchford is considered one of the authorities in nutrition and holds an honorary doctorate from Temple University.
As for scaring people about wormwood, of course that is not the intention and (sorry my brain is not retaining your name, my memory is shot right now! Apologies) whoever pointed this out, I want to thank you and of course you are right. I do not mean to scare anybody off from using so helpful a herb, but people also do need to be aware that one needs to go moderately with wormwood and use it for short-term, not longterm. Use the dried herb in capsules (the tea tastes horribly bitter, fyi) and not the essential oil for sure. The extract is inclined to be more potent than the powdered herb, I would recommend the latter as herbalist. Again in moderate dosages and short-term use, it should be fine unless liver or other medical vulnerabilities exist.
Also, black walnut extract is safely used and very effective for many kinds of parasitic infections. Grapefruit seed extract ditto, but it too is very bitter, I recommend the capsules. Artemesinin can be useful against various kinds of parasites too, above and beyond lyme infections.
A combination of herbs will work better than one herb alone. Studies have proven that.
The above information is not meant to substitute for any physician's advice, and has not been evaluated by the FDA. This information does not diagnose, cure or prevent any disease. DRugs and herbs may interact, talk with your doctor.
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I'll have to agree with Gael about wormwood. I think it depends on the variety. The plant family has several that have been used in herbal medicine.
look up wormwood on wikipedia (for some reason I couldn't copy the link here)
I don't think wormwood is extremely toxic, depending on alot of stuff like where it's grown, how old it is, etc. People have been drinking absinthe for a long time. It may be bad in excess but a small amount of dried wormwood for medicinal purposes is not going to kill anyone (unless a person has an allergy or takes it in excess).
The concentrated oil may be toxic, though - but the dried herb seems OK for moderate or low dose useage. Some people can be sensitive to things so everyone is different.
Artemesia annua is a form of wormwood & it's a really amazing herb. Some studies have found it can cure breast cancer!
The military actually grows it for use as an anti-malarial. So, it's good to be aware but I wouldn't write wormwood off. It's a potential friendly & useful remedy.
I also agree with canefan. I have experienced increased anxiety while doing anti-parasite herbs. I think the bugs can secrete toxins which may cause psychological side effects.
If you study them - they can cause hosts to do things like kill themselves. I think this is the case of a caterpillar with one particular parasite. I'd have to look it up to find further info.
There was an interesting show on Hulu.com about medical things (fictional but somewhat factual) that had a couple episodes about parasites - www.hulu.com/regenesis
I think it was season 2 - episode 10 - ? (not sure which episode it was).
I do agree with chiquita about parasites moving around the body. I don't think that testing is very accurate from what I have read. I think it's best to just keep treating.
Sometimes, I have felt stuff happening in my lungs during a parasite cleanse. Also, I get an increase in pain in general throughout my body.
I have been relying on herbs but I wouldn't be adverse to drugs as an alternative in some cases. It's just that the drugs can have some nasty side effects. So, maybe the herbs are better after all.
I believe you can harbor all kinds of stuff in the digestive system. I would have never believed it if I didn't see it myself. Gary - are you taking any anti-parasite herbs?
Seems like it would be a good idea. Also, Dr. Schulze's #2 Intestinal Cleanse product was very helpful for me to absorb stuff out of the intestinal tract. They say it works like a vacuum & it really did for me. Especially after one of my parasite cleanses.
It pulled out alot of bizarre debris. Unbelievable... I'm sure alot of it is microscopic so you may not necessarily see it with the naked eye.
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wormwood -
fyi - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemisia_(plant)
Also, it's worth mentioning about biofilms & mucus. I have noticed these things in doing parasite cleanses. I think mucus can harbor parasites & parasite eggs. Powdered cloves are supposed to kill parasite eggs.
Something that breaks up biofilms is probably useful.
Liver support & probiotics are also helpful.
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momlyme - I was thinking about this so I researched it... hope this helps -
IS THERE SOMETHING I COULD DO FOLLOWING GALLBLADDER REMOVAL THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL
Of course! Always keep following a clean, sensible gallbladder diet that includes good fats, lots of organic fruits and vegetables and lean meats and fish.
And for at least 2 or 3 months immediately afterwards, follow the diet religiously and if you haven't done a gallbladder starter it, do so now to give your digestion and your fat metabolism a kit start.
I also suggest a series of coffee enemas about a month after surgery (even years after if it's been that long) to flush all the bile ducts including those of the liver.
Your biliary tree can benefit from this at any time as can your liver. I suggest one per day, if possible, for 21 days.
Then order the After Gallbladder Removal Kit and stay on it from now on. You will need the assistance in digestion that it offers, especially for digesting fats.
That is the ideal. If it is beyond your means to do this, at least use bile salts with every meal.
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sparkle,
Thanks so much for all the helpful info that you posted. Hope you are doing well,
Gael
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When doing the water enema with distilled water - should the water be warmed on stove?
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That's not a bad idea... I guess you could use your pinkie to see if the temp feels right.
If you use a hot water bottle - you could submerse it in some hot water in the sink or tub until it feels warm.
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So do most of you try to get 1 quart in during a single session?
1 quart is 4 cups! That's quite a bit, no?
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Distilled water should be room temperature Also very good is to add a dropperful of Chorophyll....then follow with coffee after expelling this.
I make two cups of coffee. I pour one cup in at a time and set my timer. If I make it ten minutes I pour in the remaining cup for the last five minutes.
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Grrr my first experience was not good.
I did 2 water enemas (because i have bad constipation)
And I expelled a little bit on the first 1 - none on the 2nd - and not only am I still constipated but now my kidneys are VERY sore.
Did I just retain a lot of water?
Which kind of enema is best for constipation? (apparently NOT plain water)
Also which side do you guys lie on when doing a clearing enema (not coffee)
I've heard knees, left, right, back
This constipation game has driven me completely insane. as you can see I haven't been able to sleep (7:30am) - it's been 2 days sicne last bowel movement.
(I've done all the magnesium the world has to offer, Vit C, Salt flushes, water, senna, cascara) I truly believe my colon has shut down completely.
FML
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cane,
Getting a colonic might be a good idea for you. I used to get them and couldn't believe all that was backed up. Gael
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canfan17--I just drink caffeinated coffee if I am constipated--works every time. I prefer my coffee on that end of the digestive tract, though (mouth).
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Sorry canefan. I don't have this problem so I can't really give an opinion based on my experience here. Maybe try a colonic like Gael - glm1111 - suggested?
Have you done any studying on line as to why this might be happening? Curezone.com usually has alot of info.
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Hello everybody To respond to the questions about wormwood above, perhaps the way I worded it wasn't clear .So let me clarify:
It is excess dosages that are toxic. Moderation should be okay. I stress again that if liver issues are present, I would avoid the herb. Also, it is the essential oil (according to phytotherapy authority David Hoffmann) which is the most toxic, the watery constituents should be less of a risk (alchohol extract, dried herb in capsules). The alchohol or other extracts will be concentrated however, so I would suggest to use the dried/ground herb. Make sure the capsules are not powdered extract, that is different from the ground herb.
MOderation is not only okay, it is extremely beneficial where parasites are concerned. Any bitter herb (such as wormwood) has the added benefit of stimulating bile flow from the liver, which aids the breakdown of fats and cholesterol, aids digestion and cleansing each alike. So yes, this herb has many very important benefits and I agree that it is important not to scare people off. Just the same, to alert people to the side-effects or over-dose is extremely important to do. In fact, it would be unethical not to. I hope this helps clear any confusion and thank you all for your concern. It's cool that you are all plugging for this herb and that it has helped so many of you! that is exciting. Thank you all.
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sparkle,
Ya some have told me not to do plain water enema because if I'm the slightest bit dehydrated AND toxic it will simply retain the water and put more pressure on detox organs.
Makes sense - so I'm gonna wait and just do a coffee enema later today.
I'm so hopeful - I can't believe I'm having so many issues with this.
It wears you out - 2 months ago I was on top of the world. Feeling 95% for weeks at a time.
Then bam
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Have you tried to drink alot of water, Canefan? I think 8 glasses is the average per day (1 gallon). Many people are dehydrated.
Especially, in the south - you really have to drink alot of water. It gets hot & we sweat it out. Even in the north - people are indoors in dry heated homes...
Thanks for the additional info, chiquita. I think people tend to be cautious with herbs but compared to drugs - they are mostly safe. Any small incident with an herb makes people/authority figures go nuts & want to ban all supplements, herbs, etc.
You just have to study them & weigh it out as to the benefits.
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I'm the reason America's water supply is being depleted.
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I did 1 quart tonight (2 1/2 quart sessions)
Worked well
What is green stool an indication of? I had a lot of this (sorry tmi i know)
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Hi Sparkle Thank you for your concerned comments. YOu are absolutely right: The FDA goes on a toot-toot about herbs/supplements even when the side effect rates are far, far lower than with mainstream drugs. And they are unfortunately on a campaign to undo the whole industry, which in my book affects freedom of medical choice. This is immoral, dictatorial and unethical. I would say the same if they were trying to undo mainstream medicine too. I really think it's important for people to follow their own preferred medical path, and needless to say the freedom of choice is basic in a free country. It so happens however that side effects from mainstream meds are so serious, sometimes cancer is one of those (I have personally seen this on www.pubmed.gov and know of other serious matters at stake from attending doctors' lectures). The FDA does not crack down one bit on those, in fact they turn their heads and look the other way. the corporate favoritism here is obvious. I am going to post to the activism forum about this, to show a track record: Stay tuned. It may take a week or two.
It is very kind of you to step forward and to state this. I am heartened to see other people being concerned. I think there needs to be proactivity in this area. Fortunately the Alliance for Natural Health has been filing lawsuits. Class action lawsuits may be even more powerful, are publicized by the media where private suits aer not, and also cost less needless to say.
Best wishes to everyone here and a happy, healthy recovery to us all!
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I ordered some special "coffee" that is designed for coffee enemas only. You don't even want to drink this yucky stuff! It's a gold roasted coffee that smells nothing like coffee.
Here's what it says about this coffee on their website: http://www.sawilsons.com/ --------------------------------------------- "S.a.Wilsons Gold Roast Coffee is the first and only coffee that has been specifically blended and processed with higher levels of Caffeine and Palmitic acid in mind. It is also the only coffee that has been lab tested to be sure it has these higher levels.
A blend of 100% certified organic coffee beans have been selected for higher levels of Caffeine and Palmitic Acid. Then the coffee is put through the very special three stage process, developed by Scott Wilson after years of research. So what was accomplished with all that research?
Well, independent lab tests show that s.a.Wilsons Gold Roast coffee is up to 48% higher in Caffeine and up to 87% higher in the more important Palmitic Acid. That's higher than any commercially available coffee. These higher levels make Wilson's coffee the most unique coffee available, without exception." ---------------------------------------------- Last night I decided to try this new coffee out and see how it compares with the organic roasted coffee I've been using. I experienced no lightening flashes, earthquakes or anything like that.
In fact, I was a bit disappointed as I thought it would really get things moving around and possibly make me more calm and energized like the other ones have done for me. Not much was evacuated compared to the regular organic coffee I've been using.
However, this morning I was surprised to see a glob of long parasites come out of me. So gross looking! This stuff would be good for making horror movies. ; ) Not sure if it was a fluke or if this kind of coffee helps to remove parasites better than regular coffee.
I have also been taking four Biopure Chlorella pills with each meal for about a week. Whether or not this is helping to remove parasites along with the new coffee I'm using, I don't know.
I don't have a question. Just sharing this with you for your information. Feel free to comment if you wish.
By the way, I know this is not a "parasite cleanser protocol" but it is bring them buggers out of me.
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Interesting! Thanks for sharing, Gary (yuck - lol). I was wondering about the Swalison's coffee. I would think that it boosts glutathione.
Mucous does often come out, too. I think it's due to irritation from the parasites, biofilms around parasite eggs, etc.
Can you post again about your experiences with the Swalisons coffee? I'd like to hear further if it's worthwhile to get.
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For constipation issues I use Smooth Move tea, its at every HFS and even many Grocery Stores. Works like a charm. I always take it on vacation with me especially as apparenty my body knows when I am not home...
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sparkle, I plan to do another coffee enema tonight. I will share more about my experience with it tomorrow after I do it again. It's too soon to say if it's worth the extra money for it or not.
I didn't feel any better after doing it (didn't feel worse either), but after I do the organic coffee enemas I felt better pretty much immediately. Don't know why. Maybe a second time will make a difference. Will let you know tomorrow.
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Thanks. Mucous cn also be from irratation from the parasite toxins, too - not just the parasites themselves.
I'm finding that there's some big issues from the toxins they excrete. I think it may depend which one(s) are effecting you.
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