Jamers
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Hi everyone- I'm wondering if I can begin doing colon, liver, kidney, candida, parasite ect... cleanses WHILE I am taking drugs?
Currently I am on Mepron, Arteminisin, and Augmentin.
I know these cleanses contain many herbs and such so is it safe or do I need to check each herb for interactions with medications?
Thank you all.
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Hi J Adams While I am the first to always warn people of drug herb interactions, the truth is that (according to the co-author of the 2008 book Herb, Nutrient and Drug Interactions by Stargrove/Treasure/McKee) there are very few herbs that interact with drugs, per se.
Yet, there also can be duplicating of body functions which can put a person over the top.
Example: If ginkgo thins the blood and you are taking blood thinners, you sure don't want to exacerbate those effects.
That kind of thing.
The above book has been praised by an NIH researcher as being thorough and objective. Other docs have said it "exhaustively" reviews the science and is a really good book. The cool thing too is that it offers complimentary support info, not just negative interactions.
NOTE: Requires thick medical terminology. You would need a medical dictionary along with the book.
An easier book for laypeople to read is called Pocket Guide to Herbal Medicine by Karin Kraft, MD who spearheads the commission E in Germany, their equivalent of the FDA, plus a world-ranking phytotherapy authority who knows his science down to intricate details.
This book is handy in many ways. It will only briefly mention drug-herb interactions so it's easy to read. Lay friendly language. It tells you how to use herbs, for what purpose, how to do certain regimens like steaming or make a body herbal wrap, when the herb works best or when hte medication is more advisable, etc and it's very full disclosure too. "Further studies are needed" "The medication is best used in this situation" "Here is where the herb works best, and why".....it's a great book to have.
Lots of detox info in the book Healthy Healing, used as reference book in healthfood stores nation-wide.
Also Foundations of Health, another book with lots of detox info and guidance.
I would think most doctors have access to a d-base in which they can look up drug herb interactions.
In fact, here is one, though I don't think all the studies here are always unbiased. But nonetheless, you can look up drug herb interactions here (medical terminology required):
www.herbmed.org (not the .com site which sells herbs. This one sells nada and is science-based).
NOTE: To look up drug-herb interaction studies above:
First look up the name of the herb on the web to get the Latin name.
Enter the name of the herb (common name) into the search box. The Latin name may come up in the results, or the common name may come up.
Click on it.
Then you will get a list of categories related to the herb: Clinical efficacy, safety data...in the safety data box, you will see "interactions". That is where the studies will be logged.
Keep in mind that excess toxins released into the system from cleansing, can cause tissue damage.
That's why it's terribly important to go slowly. Particularly with heavy metal cleansing, but also in general.
I don't think it's wise to kill off too many things all at once. Too much die-off. I would tackle things gradually, one by one.
If you want to kill off parasites or Candida with the lyme simultaneously, I would review it with my doctor to come up with a treatment plan, and follow his or her instructions.
Might be wise to start with either Candida or parasites when also doing lyme treatment.
Artemesinin will kill off parasites as well as lyme. May not be need for any further herbs on top of it. It's pretty strong.
Pao D'Arco and black walnut tend to be much more gentle for Candida and parasite cleanses alike, than many other herbs out there.
You could start with those if you even need to add anything to what you are currently taking. It may not be necessary together with artemesinin.
I would also be supporting my body with liver *protectors* (vs. detoxifiers) which block the uptake of toxins.
Milk thistle is a prime example and the most powerful one. Studies on Pubmed testify to its use when the constituents are injected into rats and thereafter fed the poison aminita mushroom, which causes liver hemorrhage and death....they show 100% protection! People who have had accidental poison aminita mushroom exposure are saved by injection of the constituents if taken within 72 hours. Very few lives are lost if treated properly. Of course taking the whole herb is different than an injected constituent...will act more slowly, over time. Protects the liver incredibly effectively.
Schizandra and ginger also have liver protecting qualities.
I like the Paradise Herbs products. They use powdered extracts which are alchohol and glycerin-free, no binders, fillers, etc so you just get the pure product. Plus they hunt hte world over to find herbs growing in the most ideal soil and climate conditions, have really high quality herbs.
Their milk thistle is concentrated 72x!! Comes in capsules.
Their Orac Energy Greens would be a very good cleansing product but it also would only be good for very tired bodies. Not for wired bodies. And not for people with neuro issues indicating inflammation, such as nerve zaps et al. For a fatigued condition, that product would be excellent.
Contains cereal grasses, chlorella, medicinal mushrooms for immune support, adaptogens for adrenal support, acai and other antioxidant berries, more....excellent. And very cleansing.
I have zero special interests and not a dime in profit as I write....
Best wishes, CI
The above information has not been evaluated by the FDA and products above are not intended to diagnose, prevent or cure any disease.
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Thank you CI for your wealth of knowledge! I know I need to cleanse badly. I won't overdo it though. I started getting some terrible allergies this year and know that my body must be clogged.
Do you know anything about Mangosteen juice and if it can be taken with antibiotics?
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Hi Jadams I don't know much about mangosteen juice so I won't comment. I would seriously doubt any interactions though, but again this is not medical advice.
As for allergies (seasonal pollens etc) I have seen a lot of people do really well with nettles/quercitin combination by Eclectic Institute when I worked in healthfood stores
Jamers
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Awesome!! Thank you for mentioning the allergy remedy. I found that online, but Im always so worried about getting side-effects from anything (even herbs, as I've had some before). However, I read that that combo is really good also. I am trying it ASAP.
Thanks!!
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