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mattnapa
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I wrote on the suject of creating summaries for these things for a diffrent purpose a couple of days ago, so I will now suggest it for Lymenet. It seems we see the same subjects visted here over and over at times and those in the know will respond to the new threads on the old subjects as they appear. There is of course nothing wrong with this, and in fact it is quite generous for them to spend their time in such a way. There is also the search feature to look up particular subjects but it has clear limitations. So why not summaries that capture the ideas in a clear and concise way? If folks think it is to time consuming or whatever that would be great to hear, but silence on the subject makes me wonder what the deal is

[ 05-23-2011, 01:17 PM: Message edited by: mattnapa ]

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I think it is a good idea. How do you want to do it? There are supplements made by specific manufacturers for the infections like Zhang, Cowden etc. There are general supplements for detox, depression, sleep or general support.

Maybe divide it up under topics. That might be hard to do unless you collect all the information and then present it under one post which is kept as a sticky. There is always something new being added to the list though.

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mattnapa
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nefferdun- Thanks I was beginning to feel like I was on an island. The project can be overwhelming,and its practicality is clearly based on the quality of knowledge and the number of those who become involved. I should say that I am also considering some kind of email to send out to as many natrual health doctors, researchers, and authors whose emails I can find. So there is a hopw that other sources may at some point contribute to the project, but for the moment you got to start somewhere. My thought is to start with the vitamins and minerals. Minerals are perhaps a little more complex and some seem to have more import than others and therfore seemingly deserve more attention. Now as you mention the question of formulas as opposed to single supplements is an important aspect to address. My thought is to first summarize the physiological understandings and interactions and then move to manufactured products. The sticky question, so to speak, I assume would be in the judgement of the moderators, but hopefully at a minimum we could put together a thread to be refrenced. Thanks again, and maybe I will try something preliminary soon.
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Matt, have you looked around at lymeinfo.net?

http://www.lymeinfo.net/lymediseasetreatment.html

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mattnapa
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Carol thanks for that link. It clearly belongs in a good outline. I have another link from LymeNet which covers a lot of straight information regarding Lyme and treatment. between the two they cover a lot of the relevant facts. I am also interested in covering general health topics such as vitamins;

Here is a shot at vitamin A

The fat soluble variety of vitamin A comes from animal products. Retinol is considered the preformed version of A and is the most readily availabe form for uptake in the body. Retinol can break down into retinal and retionic acid in the body which are also usable forms. Retinol in its pure form is extremely sensitive to heat. So most forms in supplements are the ester derivtives retinyl acetate or retinyl palmitate

Vitamin A, which is found in colorful fruit and vegetables, is provitamin A a cartenoid water soluble form which creates retinol in the body. Beta carotene is the carotene which is most associated with retinol production within the body. A synthetic form of Vitamin A is also produced

Two studies have indicated higher lung cancer rates for smokers. Other studies have shown no such correlation. Regardless the IOM has recommended that beta carotene not be used even by the non-smoking public though there is no supporting evidence for such a warning

The IOM (Institutes of Medicine) sets the RDA for retinol at about 3,000 IU. They further claim that toxicitiy symptoms occur at 10,000 IU's or less. The Weston Price institute and others claim that doses up to 10,000 are safe in even pregnant women and that 20,000 as long as the individual who is supplementing has adequate vitamin D levels. Some studies show no ill effects even at 50,000 IU's The vitamins do have a intimate and complicated relationship and there is an additional controversy as to whether they compete with one another during absorbtion. Joseph Mercola nad Stephen Cannel have argued that A and D have an antagonistic relationship as opposed to the complementary one suggested by Weston Price. Weston Price also notes that no distinction was made whether many of the studies cited used syhthetic or preformed vitamin A. Nonetheless the IOM recommended that individuals linit their consumption of meat and eggs based on vitamin A toxicity though no such warning was made about cereals and other processed foods in which synthetic vitamin A is added

Also The IOM has claimed that there is demographic evidence that high retinol diets like those in the scandanavian countries are associated with osteoperosis. Again however it is likely that the scandanavians would be low in vitamin D, so that could be the reason for such a correlation.

Weston Price and others contend that far from being dangerous, vitamin A doses up to 20,000 IU are actually beneficial to health. Vitamin A may be related to increased anti-microbial activity. Linus Pauling institute recommends doses up to 5,000 IU with half of those coming from the provitamin beta carotene form.

Finally, vitamin A should also be seen in its realtion to cod liver oil. While cod liver oil has its own set of controversies, retinols should be considered as one of its major component parts and any significant effects of cod liver oil should be seen in relation to retinol. Weston Price has also asserted that many of the studies which show problems with high doses of retinol are from formulations of cod liver oil which contain low amounts of vitamin D. They also claim that previous formulations had no such deficiencies, and is the likely reason why previous studies showed more promising results.

There is also evidence that high doses of retinol may be problematic with those who have liver disease


http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/vitamins/vitaminA/

http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/vitamina/

http://www.westonaprice.org/cod-liver-oil/1601-cod-liver-oil-debate?qh=YTo3OntpOjA7czo3OiJ2aXRhbWluIjtpOjE7czo4OiJ2aXRhbWlucyI7aToyO3M6ODoidml0YW1pbmUiO2k6MztzOjk6InZpdGFtaW5lciI7a To0O3M6OToidml0YW1pbmVzIjtpOjU7czoxOiJhIjtpOjY7czo5OiJ2aXRhbWluIGEiO30%3D


http://www.westonaprice.org/cod-liver-oil/1603-response-to-dr-mercola-on-cod-liver-oil?qh=YTo3OntpOjA7czo3OiJ2aXRhbWluIjtpOjE7czo4OiJ2aXRhbWlucyI7aToyO3M6ODoidml0YW1pbmUiO2k6MztzOj k6InZpdGFtaW5lciI7aTo0O3M6OToidml0YW1pbmVzIjtpOjU7czoxOiJhIjtpOjY7czo5OiJ2aXRhbWluIGEiO30%3D

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I've actually done something like this for myself. I took a bunch of info from here and the web and have been putting it all together in a word document for quick reference.

I like having the info on hand in an organized manner. One thing this lyme has done for me is make me organized! I can't process the info all that well unless in an organized fashion. So I have it in my lyme binder with tabs separating the different topics.

I also printed some of it out and keep it in my binder. I would post it here but I don't even have all the sources of where I did get the info and don't want to not give credit to the sites I got it from. I wish I did because then I could upload to scibd or something similar so others could benefit.

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Just a rough idea on the B vitamins for now

. Several studies seem to show that supplements of B-6, B-9 and B-12 do significantly lower blood levels of homocysteine. High homocysteine levels are definitively associated with increased coronary risk. However, several studies show that the supplements of these three vitamins did not lower the risk of further coronary events in subjects that had existing coronary disease. The studies did not test the effect of the 3B therapy in healthy people. Nor did they test subjects with high homocysteine levels in the 3B studies with subkects with existing coronary disease. Also one of the links below shows a correlation with homocysteine levels and cognitive impairment . Given the 3B therapy is an effective treatment for high homocysteine levels it is logical to assume they would be effective in treating some cognitive conditions.

Finally there is the work of the legendary researcher Fredrich Klenner who established a protocol to treat MS with high doses of vitamin B-1

http://www.quackwatch.org/03HealthPromotion/homocysteine.html

http://www.nutri-facts.org/News.10+M5a3b494bd33.0.html

http://www.creatinemonohydrate.net/creatine_alzheimers.html

http://www.quantumbalancing.com/news/klenner_ms.htm

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These early understandings on the B vitamins and their role with homoocysteine and the methylation cycle, would lead to the research accomplished by Dr Amy Yasko. The results of Yasko would have tremendous results in the treatment of autism in children and chronic fatigue syndrome in adults and oth3er disorders. These results and the tool kit which accomplished them need a greater dissemination even in an outline. However the information will be discussed more thouroughly under the disordres they treat instead of under B vitamins.

http://dramyyasko.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/texas-1-final.pdf

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