Topic: Are there any (other) infections which cause autoimmune infl. response afterwards?
James1979
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First of all, I do not agree with the IDSA position, and I know that they don't have even 1 study to back up their claim that "post-Lyme" is an autoimmune inflammatory response, and not an active infection.
I'm just wondering if there is any other kind of microbial infection which is known to cause an autoimmune inflammatory response for months or years after the infection is gone, only to clear up on its own.
Does this exist anywhere else in science, or are these IDSA guys just being... how shall we say it... CREATIVE?
(BTW, as I was writing this, I felt like the IDSA guys are contradicting themselves... How can they say that the symptoms are due to an autoimmune response, yet at the same time say that the symptoms are "most likely due to the aches and pains of everyday living."?)
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totally ignore everything they say. There are so many lies sprinkled in amongst half-truths as to make the entire lot completely worthless.
They are paid by the insurance industry to spread misinformation so they can keep denying long term antibiotic treatment (which is expensive) for chronic lyme sufferers. If you ask me, it also seems like they are in with the pharmaceutical companies in order to keep folks hooked up on prescription drugs that only mask the symptoms and offer no hope of actual cure, because that is more profitable.
Most of their conclusions are even contradictory to the actual research they are based on.
On the other hand, it makes perfect sense that a spirochete that is able to move through tissue and change its morphology in order to evade the immune system AND antimicrobial treatment (antibiotics) would also be able to "hide away" in a sense and lie dormant for days, weeks, even years before becoming active again and causing infection in its host.
when you add to that what we are beginning to learn about biofilms and their role in chronic disease and well, I think you get the picture.
the IDSA does not have good science on their side. They have taken a bunch of old studies, written mostly by themselves, and come up with a VERY premature set of "conclusions" about what constitutes a Bb infection and how it should be treated.
They're wrong. I wouldn't call them "creative", because that might be misconstrued as a compliment.
I would call them what they are. Selfish, lying, insurance industry finger-puppets.
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Amanda
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There is something called "reactive arthritis", though it can cuase inflmation anywhere in the body. Here is a link explaining it more fully
The upshot is that certain food borne pathogens or veneral disease (Chlamydia) trigger this.
I notice that they do not describe the biochemistry involved, or how it is the infection trigger the arthritis. The article is also 5 years old, so you might want to look around for more recent info.
However, they do mention that 80% of the people who get this have a certain genetic factor, (HLA) B27.
If you haven't had this test done, I might check it out (Though caution is warrented because 80%of healthy people also have the gene. It really just gives you an idea of risk)
I had this test done, and it came back negative, and I have terrible arthritis.
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momlyme
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quote:Originally posted by Amanda: There is something called "reactive arthritis", though it can cuase inflmation anywhere in the body. Here is a link explaining it more fully
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Boo hiss on the reactive arthritis theory.
I was diagnosed with "chronic reactive arthritis" 17 years ago. I just got diagnosed with Lyme and Bartonella... positive tests for both. This is what it has been all along.
The doctor who put that label on me tried every arthritis medicine on me and none work so he put me on pain killers and sent me to "pain management counseling" so he could cut me loose.
I think these doctors come up with these diseases to explain something they don't understand or can't figure out.
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