Jamers
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I have these sweats that are so annoying. They are not drenching but I call them BALMY. My palms get wet, my upper lip is moist, my face is balmy. I feel warm and moist.
I have treated Babs for 4 mos. but I never had night sweats. I don't have drenching, soaking sweats just these hot, moist daily sweats.
They get much worse when I exert myself but I don't have lack of stamina or shortness of breathe, just these darn sweats. Are these the Bartonella sweats? I tested negative for Bart but have some symptoms.
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One of hubby's former LLMD's used to say that daytime sweats were bartonella and night time sweats were babesia -- I don't think it is quite that cut and dry though. I think babesia sweats can occur in the daytime or at night.
Another possibility would be hypoglycemia and blood sugar issues. Are your sweats worse if you eat lots of carbs or go too long without eating?
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Bea-My sweats are strictly daytime sweats. My sweats aren't worse with not eating or eating too many carbs that I know of. I will look out for that though.
They only seem worse when I exert myself...such as cleaning the house, scrubbing a tub, shopping for over a couple minutes. They just get worse and worse the longer I do something.
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My sweats or hot flashes whatever you want to call them were not hormonal....they were one of the bad guys?
I only had/have them during the day. I rarely sweated with them. But it felt like someone lit a match inside my body.
Of course these have been periods of symptoms much like everything else. The sx there and it's a big issue for a period.
The sx disappears for months and months and then whoops there it is again. I felt these were bartonella related. This sx has been gone about 4 mths.
Babs has been in charge for a while and no I'm not having sweats during day or night. But I've learned to not be surprised. Just confused.
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I have both day and night. Like you..I sweat a ton if I exert myself. And inordinate amount of sweating, in fact.
I also have night sweats...usually my head and upper chest. I often have to flip the pillow over in the middle of the night.
I've always associated them with Babs...but I suppose they could also be Bart. I hate them.
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Pam- I also get the super hot feeling alone and the sweats and hot feeling other times. Mine were gone for about 3 months, which were the first 3 months of treating Babs and then they came back also.
bcb1200-I hate them also! Sorry you have to deal with them at night too. Having them in the daytime is enough to deal with.
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BARTONELLA & �BARTONELLA-LIKE ORGANISMS�- � Gradual onset of initial illness. � CNS symptoms are out of proportion to the musculoskeletal ones- if a patient has no or minimal joint complaints but is severely encephalopathic (see below), then think of Bartonella/BLO. � Obvious signs of CNS irritability can include muscle twitches, tremors, insomnia, seizures, agitation, anxiety, severe mood swings, outbursts and antisocial behavior. � GI involvement may present as gastritis or abdominal pain (mesenteric adenitis). � Sore soles, especially in the morning. � Tender sub-cutaneous nodules along the extremities, especially outer thigh, shins, and occasionally along the triceps. � Occasional lymphadenopathy. � Morning fevers, usually around 99. Occasionally light sweats are noted.
BARTONELLA AND BABESIA QUESTIONAIRE Note: These symptoms can differ depending on what coast you live on. East and West coast infections may be different strains and not be exactly the same nationwide.
Note: This is an East Coast questionnaire, it is thought that symptoms may vary from so many different strains on different coasts
Bartonella
Common symptoms of bartonellosis include:
___Fatigue (often with agitation, unlike Lyme disease, which is more exhaustion)
___Low grade fevers, especially morning and/or late afternoon, often associated with feelings of "coming down with the flu or a virus"
___Sweats, often morning or late afternoon (sometimes at night) - often described as "thick" or "sticky" in nature
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I never had sweats at all until I started babs treatment. At 1 tsp. I had sweats for 3 weeks.
After increasing Mepron to 2 teaspoons (months later), I had day and night sweats and flashes for nearly 2 months. Thank goodness they finally resolved.
I also have bart, but I associate the sweats with babs since they started when Mepron was first introduced and then when increased. My sweats were also worse on exertion.
Hope this helps.
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17hens, if I took my temp during these periods it might be 98 degrees. But hey that's not a temperature.
That's normal. I'm on record at every doc visit, well 98% my reg temp is 97. something. Or even 96.9 degrees. So hey.
So if your thermostat in your body doesn't work it's really hard to figure if it's a temp with flu like sx?
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Pam, that's the truth! I had my share of sweats and chills but always read 97. Go figure.
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Bartonella can have a thick sticky sweat, mainly on your chest. It is not like being wet from exercise or the heat. It is almost oily.
Babesia duncani does not have as drenching a sweat as microti does. Mine is very light.
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I wake up feeling hot at about 3 or 4 in the morning, like the air conditioner is broken. Not sweaty, just HOT.
I've treated for Babs, supposedly only have Bart left. But for me, this happens every 4 or 7 nights, so it might be Babs. ugh. Or, hopefully just menopause.
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apljack, it is really hard to tell if it is bart, babesia or menopause but if it is the later, bio-identical hormones will take care of it.
I think the only way you can determine if it is bart or babs (or both) is to be aware of the symptoms pretty specific to each infection. With babs, air hunger, dizziness (and feeling spacey), breathlessness, depression, pain/cramps in large muscles of thighs and buttocks and extreme fatigue.
With bart, irritation/rage, depersonalization, painful feet or shins, abnormal skin pigment/crusty moles/spider veins/streaks, nodules under skin that hurt when pressed (outside of upper arms and thighs), cramps in calves and muscle twitching.
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17Hens-I am on the East Coast and I get those morning and afternoon sweats listed for Bartonella. I wake up in the morning like a furnace, so hot. I check my temp and its 97 degrees! No fever just HOT!
Mine is everyday now! So I think its Bartonella because Bart is said to be persistent everyday symptoms.
Nefferdun-I find these symptoms for infections confusing and misleading at times. I spoke with someone who only had Bart and Lyme and she had the dizziness, bad fatigue and hot flashes. She is better now, no treatment for Babesia. This makes me wonder what we are really chasing sometimes.
I've also heard people's hot flashes resolving after bart treatment. Who knows, I guess its very individual and demographic.
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quote:Originally posted by Jamers: 17Hens-I am on the East Coast and I get those morning and afternoon sweats listed for Bartonella. I wake up in the morning like a furnace, so hot.
James, this sounds exactly like me until last fall. I did Bart treatment for 8 months and kept hitting a wall. It wasn't until I added Babesia treatment to the Bart that this symptom (and others) went away.
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Jamers, that is what I thought too. I dismissed babesia believing it was impossible that I could have it, especially living in a state where Bb does not exist - how could all three infections have suddenly popped up here!?
Now I look back and realize I had pronounced babesia symptoms right from the start and that is why treatment failed for so long. Getting a positive test for duncani convinced me. Ironically the bart test was negative.
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I have this day and night. Not drenching sweats... just unusual moist, annoying sweats. And I'll feel suddenly quite warm but no fever at all.
I tested neg. for Bart and Babs...but I honestly feel in my gut that it is caused by Bart.
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Nefferdum-Thanks for your insight. I have been treating Babesia for almost 4 months and all my other symptoms have gone away, but suddenly I started getting old symptoms like the day sweats, anxiety ect.. I have read that you should treat Babesia first or the other infections won't go away. I also tested negative for Bart and Positive for duncani but I know I have Bart.
IckyTicky-You have described exactly my same symptoms..along with the sudden hot feeling with no fever. I can't explain my rationing but I also instinctively feel this is Bartonella.
In Fact, I think Bartonella is making me Obsessive Compulsive because I feel like I need definitive answers or I keep searching, hence this thread. I feel very restless in general.
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