tickled1
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I did my first "sauna" last night. I don't know for sure if what I did qualifies as a "sauna" but according to the Dr. Wilson website it does.
Bought a couple of near infrared lamps from hardware store and sat in front of them in small bathroom. Concentrated most of the 20 min. session on my upper back/neck area.
Today I notice an increase in brain/vision/concentration issues. Could it be a die-off? Also and increase in ear pressure.
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Hi Tickled: I know when I Go to the infared sauna, I herx badly the next day... Today was terrible for me.
So, I imagine it could be die off. I have read that the sauna makes your antibiotics 16x more effective - don't quote me here but I am relatively assured I have seen that more than once in my reading.
Hence, go slow with the sauna. For me, everything hurt... ugh... But I guess it is like peeling an onion and if we don't get to what is hiding... well, you know the rest.
Blessings-
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I recently purchased an individual infrared sauna and each time I have done the sauna I did notice a die off effect. Interesting you mention ear pressure because I did the sauna yesterday and today have ear pressure and eye pain and some general sx that I use to have - most certainly die off of toxins.
Maybe you should decrease the heat setting and starting at 20 minutes might be to much. First time I did 7 minutes and added just a few minutes to each session. I am now up to 20 minutes but it took 5 or 6 sessions to work up to that amount.
I don't do it every day - more like 3-4 times a week.
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Thanks for the feedback.
Um...I do not have a heat setting on my "sauna" as it is ghetto fabulous
Like I said, it consists of 2, near infrared light bulbs pointing at me in my bathroom while I sit in a chair.
Am I supposed to sweat? Because I didn't. I guess that's what I kept waiting for and it never happened.
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My llmd said to buy an infrared sauna was the best supplement I could spend my money on. I have yet to use it. Got that one for $99 on amazon the individual sauna you zip yourself in.
He told me that it was even better than abx and was a major contributor in the cure for syphillus. He also said only do five minutes to start working up to 15 a few times a week since it will cause die off.
THe word die off scares me these days since I am having so much of it from the meds. It is a good thing but I think you did too much to start. Wait a bit before you do another one.
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tickled1
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annier,
Wow, that's amazing that he said that! Makes me even more interested! Will you please PM me who your LLMD is?
I hear of plenty on here though that have excellent results w/FIR so maybe it's not that important.
Here's my dilemna. I feel like it only hits one small area at a time and I feel like that would be the case with any dry sauna. So, how am I supposed to do it?
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I'm going to have my husband build me an enclosed sauna! Yay! Can't wait! He is very handy and it will be a heck of a lot cheaper than buying one.
Here's a link for instructions on how to build one if anyone is interested.
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I can't do any kind of sauna. Always made me feel worse, especially neurally. We're all different.
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Good luck on building the sauna! My MIL used one and swears that was the turning point for her getting well.
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OMG, just had really bad episode of head rush, dizziness, couldn't see straight, chills, shaking, twitching, tingling all over, nearly passing out. Lasted a couple of hours and had to call someone to be with me. Haven't had one of these episodes in a couple of yrs. but I've gone to ER b/c of it in the past. In the past I've also gotten hands clawing up with this and electrical shocks but not this time. I still have the head/neck/ear pressure. I've also been extra confused lately. Like for instance today really had to think about what season it was. Opeing refrigerator instead of cabinet...things like that. I never thought I'd have one of these episodes again and I am really depressed about this.
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I have the kind that you zipper yourself into and it has settings from 1-5 for the heat.
I love it and really feel like you need to "respect" it.
I do not sweat that much in it but was told that was normal.
I feel like it is killing alot of YEAST as I am feeling like alot of my lyme has been erraticated. So now working on getting rid of the left over toxins and yeast.
I am very neuroy after a session and feel tired and "under the weather" the next day. But two days after the sauna I feel much better. This is why I only do it every 2-3 days and for no more then 15 minutes at a time (for now!).
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So seeing how we're not sweating much the sauna is probably doing more killing than detoxing at this point.
I feel like maybe I killed a lot of buggers in my neck/head region. Is there a type of detox that crosses the blood brain barrier to clean up the mess of the little buggers dying in there (if that makes any sense?).
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I remember Gigi cautioning to be careful especially if there is heavy metal toxicity.... it can stir things up and sometimes cause more issues if not handled properly. Tickled, it sounds like metal issues to me that you are experiencing. Are you supporting yourself on that end? Taking chlorella, etc?
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Tammy,
I'm not doing anything for metals. Tell me what to do. Did I sc**w myself? Will this pass? The head pressure today is so bad.
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If you have never done anything about lightening the toxic metals or, worse, still have amalgams in the mouth, from my experience it is not wise to do sauna. Work on the toxic metal issue first, which means you should even before that work on parasites who are the knights in shining armor (per Dr.K.) holding many of the toxic metals until you treat that part of this chronic disease.
Nobody has lyme without metal toxicity and nowbody is parasite free when metal toxic. It is a circle that won't stop until you break the chain.
Stay out of the sauna until you have considerably lowered the toxin load. I did not get the okay to go into a sauna until many months after toxic metal treatment, dental cleanup, etc.
My husband who was allergic to toxic metals until he did the Allergie Immun treatment could never go into the sauna for any benefit. It simply shifted the neurotoxins around which for some people means they are feeling a bit better next day. But they are often just relocating most of them into different body compartsments, etc.
You are simply moving the metals into the CNS (Central Nervous System) and that is the last place you would want more of the metals or any neurotoxins.
Killing Lyme??? I think we would be dead from the heat long before the bugs would be affected.
Just be careful.
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Thanks so much for replying Gigi. What can I do to clear up the symptoms from the mess I've made?
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tickled, as a starter take lots of binders. Chlorella 15 minutes before every meal and before going to bed. Learn about binders by searching here. Maybe Tammy can fill you in! I am off to take my husband for a long IV for deficient amino acids. Read some of my posts.
Take care.
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My LLMD highly recommends NAC in addition to Chlorella for binding with any metals the IFS may release into the blood stream.
I take both and it seems to help. I take 1200 mg.s of NAC since I started the i.f. sauna.
Also, it may sound really simplistic but once I doubled my normal daily fluid intake of electrolytes my symptoms decreased. I don't think I realized how dehydrated you can get in the i.f. sauna since I was not sweating but I most certainly think that dehydration can be a factor.
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tickled - this is all rather new to me also. Thank God for Gigi's posts and for Dr. K's helpful protocols. As a start, definitely start taking chlorella (about 15 tabs or more) 3 times per day, about 15-30 minutes before eating. And you can take it also at bedtime.
Currently, I'm taking it 3 times a day. And at bedtime I'm taking Dr. K's microsilica. It's expensive, but lasts for about 2 months and is suppose to be very effective. I've only been on this protocol for about 2 1/2 weeks, so I need to give it a chance to start working.
I'm also taking cilantro tincture to help move the metals out of my nervous system. I was tested for this by one of Dr. K's doctors before starting this protocol, and it seems to be working for me. But from what I understand, you may not want to jump into this on your own without being tested first (ART testing or muscle testing).
Also, staying hydrated is a BIG issue of importance. This is a problem for me. In looking back, I realize I have been dehydrated, thirsty and dry for as long as I can remember (25+ yrs). So I have added electrolytes to my water. Plus I drink coconut water. But I'm still thirsty and dry. We are now exploring that it may be part of the mold illness picture (I may be missing the ADH anti-diuretic hormone). Doing new labwork now to see.
When you can, go back and search out some of Gigi's posts and Dr. K's protocols.
Best to you, Tammy
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Very interesting Tammy. I will look into all of that. Thanks so much!
Do you know if there are any LLMD's that follow Dr. K's protocols on the East Coast, preferably New England?
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Saunas made me feel even more horrible back 7 yrs ago. I'd just come off 3 yrs of abx. Was a walking toxin.
Did them for probably 3-4 mths before I realized they were not for me. I was a little slow in the learning my body needs in those days.
I was seeing a naturopath and I was her 1st(so she thought) lyme patient. I too thought it was herx reactions or what is also called healing crisis.
Then she hired this wonderful Russian lady who did Lymph Drainage work on me. I spent my money doing that once a week for a few months.
Then went to every 2 weeks for awhile and then just monthly for 4 years. I've spent the last 3 yrs cleaning up several silver crowns, old silver fillings removed.
My teeth are all the same color now. I have one root canal tooth that I need to have cleaned out and removed this year.
One molar quad that is toothless but there's no doubt bad guys are still hanging out there, which means cavation. Deep bone gum clean up there.
Bone loss has subsided in that quad, but sometimes there's still pain there. That will be early '12.
This stuff is expensive and I must do it all slowly or risk neuro and toxicity overload.
Maybe some day I will enjoy the heat of a sauna again.
Pam
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I was under the impression that FIR sauna's were a great way to get rid of heavy metals via the sweat and that there is no problem with reassigning metals else in the body. Is that not true?
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The sauna definitely stirred something up for me. I did not sweat. Maybe that's the problem. I do have some old "metal" fillings. I was born in 75 and I had one dentist tell me not to worry about them, that they weren't using bad stuff in the fillings then. Anyone know if that's true?
Anyone know of someone that does lymph drainage massage in/around Western MA?
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I didn't sweat either tickled. Now back then we discovered that starting with off sauna and allowing it to warm up and my body to warm up slowly....I did finally break a sweat.
Not much but some. My detox baths have done more for training my body to sweat than the sauna experience did.
Pam
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How do you know if you're sweating in the bath though? You're already wet. I also think I reacted to an epsom salt bath.
How long did you stay in the sauna before you broke a sweat. That's what I tried to do is warm up with the sauna but then I think by doing that the total time I spent in there was too much.
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tickled - I don't yet know of a good doc on the East Coast who follows Dr. K's protocols. That's why I finally flew out west last month and went to his clinic.
I don't sweat either. That is part of the problem. I think it's a MAJOR piece of the detox puzzle. I also think that it may be part of the mold illness picture (and lacking the anti-diuretic hormone), etc. Check out some of the recent mold threads. I think lack of sweating may also mean dehydration (at least I think it does for me, plus I'm thirsty all the time). So do all you can to stay hydrated, electrolytes, etc.
Also, consider looking into Allergie-Immun (check out the long-running thread). I've appreciated all that GiGi has posted and I think this is an excellent therapy. It's intended to correct our dysfunctions and dis-regulations, including allergies and things inherited. During my first round of drops, within the first 1 1/2 days, my mouth broke out in about 30+ canker sores, under my tongue, all along my gum line and along my tongues edge. It was very painful to say the least. But it was gone with on 2 weeks. I'm not sure, but I think it cleared my "allergy" to mercury. I still had amalgam fillings, and I am heavy metal toxic. Last month I had my amalgams out and my mouth, to a much lesser degree, broke out in the same sores, but they passed quickly. I like to think that the AI therapy has put me in a better place to process this damn mercury out of my system. Time will tell, but I think I'm on the right track.
Best to you, Tammy
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Well I drink water prior to detox bath, get out dry off, put on robe or old clothes and do light housework to keep me flowing.
I know I'm sweating because my skin stays wet, my hair gets soak (not from bath), and drink more water.
Act like I'm a normal person for an hour. Sweat like a pig. Put my deodorant on, dry my hair after my body cools down. Do not put any lotion on to clog the pores.
I don't stink as far as I know. Don't really care if I do. lol detox baths are my #1 pain killer. I feel good, like I knew that I should, now. Oh, I feel good, feel good, I got you. Is that the Chuck Berry song?
Anybody?
Pam
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Good thread. My LLMD recommended I get a far infared sauna, but I get ill from soaking my feet in a clay bath. I think I need to address heavy metals in another way perhaps.
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