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I'm a little confused. Is Coptis meant to treat primarily Bartonella or Babesia?
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I was under the impression it's for lyme but also hits bart. Are you taking Dr. Zhang's herbs? He uses Artemesia to hit the babesia.
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I haven't done Zhang yet - did some Cowden antimicrobials with lots of herxing but only some minor symptom improvement.
Had a hard time with artemisinin. Just looking for anything that might result in a gain of overall functioning.
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I was told to take 6 Coptis, so I can take less HH. Coptis works for bartonella and protozoa and other germs. Do you have the book, there is a chapter. For babesia artemisia works in high doses. Most people have trouble starting artemisia. You need to start with 1/8 th of caps and never add more than one a week. It takes time.
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Coptis is an amazing herb.
It is meant to be part of a formula (or protocol), never alone, as it is a very cold herb and needs a balance of other ingredients.
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I was Rxed it by my LLND as part of a Lyme-fighting protocol. I was to take it when I was taking a break from the garlic (Allicun). Never could keep on it, though, as it caused heart palpitations for Me. (Yes... I verified that thru multiple trials.) Still, I read good things about it.
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Coptis is good for people with liver problems and it also helps for protozoa. If you have bugs in the heart, they might react immediately. Start always with 1/8 th of a capsule then the reaction is not so bad.
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I took coptis and R5081 as well as the rest of the protocol for 5 months and I relapsed. I believe you need to take a lot more than what is recommended and you need to feel close to well when you start it.
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nefferdun,
sorry to hear of a relapse. It's always so rough.
Whatever treatment protocol is chosen, many people find they need treatment for 6 - 12 months, or longer.
Coptis was actually one of the earlier supplements I was introduced to (Coptis and Evodia formula) and it was a miracle for my stomach. I did not then know about lyme, though.
I hope, whatever else you did after that 5 months, that you are feeling better these days.
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Neverdun,how many coptis and RO5081 did you take? I tried a year ago and got a horrible herx from 6 RO5081 and 3 Coptis.
Now I am slowly working my way up again, obviously this treatment had hit something.
I am now on 4.5 coptis and adding. Dr. Z told me to stay on the herbs for the rest of my life. Hopefully on a low dose.
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Bump Good info on coptis , an herb which Dr Zhang writes about . I have used coptis tincture from Herb Pharm , and believe it has really helped me with lyme and babs .
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Just be careful with coptis. I took it long ago, like some GRAINS of coptis powder, as I knew this was strong, one of the STRONGEST herbs in Chinese pharmacopea.
It was so strong on my stomach, like NOTHING I ever tried. Nothing caused me the tummy pain as strong as coptis did.
I think today I could drink a drop of gasoline, but I would never put a drop of coptis in my mouth!! Just go very slow in the starting point!!!!!
Years ago, there was a man who posted as Jimbob. He could stomach most things, without problem. But he had also BIG trouble with coptis and stopped it.
I believe (just a believe) that if taken in SPECIAL combination (the Chinese practioners would know which) for different people, it wouldn't cause the problem. But alone... well, I would do it only with great care and very very slow.
Start with some grains to see (I'm not kidding), and then slowly increase. I don't know about coptis tincture though.
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