Does anyone wake up with symptoms all the time? Lately, probably 90% of my mornings I wake up feeling like my muscles wont relax and are tight and sore. I miss the days where I could take a couple deep breaths and relax and feel my whole body sink into the bed!!
I also have a weird uncomfortable feeling and cannot get back to sleep or get relaxed and comfortable again. The end result is just getting up even though its only been 4-6 hours.
I am not sure what would be causing this? A few months ago I was sleeping like a baby 8-9 hours with total relaxation and feeling totally restored?
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My mornings are by far the worst...my muscles feel tight, my shins hurt badly, my feet and ankles hurt and I feel so dry and stiff...today was particularly bad.
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Yeah, this is no fun! I have tried large amounts of Mg as well as epsom baths which does not do anything. I wish we could figure it out!
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Fuel - Have you ever checked your blood-sugar levels when you are having trouble getting back to sleep? That's one factor that can cause uncomfortably, and trouble getting back to sleep.
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James - I have checked blood sugar in the past when I was dealing with this before. It was always about 80 - 100.
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Fuel - I'm not sure about the muscle soreness thing, but have you tried taking natural sleep/relaxation supplements to help you stay asleep longer? Also, maybe if you sleep better your body will help cure the muscle-soreness problem.
Passionflower is a great one, because it not only makes you drowsy, but also it's a relaxant. Maybe it might even help with the muscles.
L-Thianine is good.
Melatonin.
There's another one which is an enzyme. I used to use it when I was having trouble sleeping, and I remember it was very effective (and non-addictive), but I forgot the name. I can try to look it up if you are interested.
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James I will look into these things for sure.
One more thing I forgot.. I can always feel my heart beat in the morning and it feels heavy? It isn't beating fast, and I don't feel nervous.
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I think that's called heart palpitations. Many conditions can cause it. I know it's annoying.
Let me just brainstorm a little: With the waking up early, and the malaise, and the heart palpitations... My first (possibly ignorant) guess would be that it sounds like a possible stress-hormone response.
If I remember correctly, you usually have adrenal fatigue, and low cortisol levels, right?
Have you checked your hormones recently? Is it possible that maybe they're back up now?
Is it possible that maybe you're taking too many adrenal-support supplements, or maybe you're taking them too close to bedtime?
Okay those were just rough brainstormings, so I apologize if any of it sounded stupid.
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My cortisol was high in the afternoon that it was checked last.
I still continue to take supps for adrenals, however they are all mineral and herb based just to support and not to react. I am not taking anything with adrenal glandulars, and I take everything in the morning... weird
BTW - Nothing ever sounds stupid.. Thanks!
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You MIGHT want to try being cautious about some of the herbal adrenal stuff. I know they say they're mostly adaptogenic, but I know that a lot of people, including myself, are sensitive to them.
For example, I try not to take eleutherococcus unless I'm very tired, because it can give me anxiety and aggression.
Also, I don't take a supplement called "Adaptocrine" anymore, because it was making me wired all the time.
I think I have other examples of similar personal sensitivities, but I forgot them.
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Also, you might want to be watchful for non-herbal supplements that can keep you awake or cause a stress reaction. I always make sure to take those kinds of supplements very early in the morning.
For a few examples: CoQ10 can give a lot of energy and alertness, tyrosine works like caffeine in some people, and B vitamins can cause a great increase of energy.
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When my babesia was bad a few years ago I had starange heart beats. What abx are you on now? Have you started treating the bart you think you have? Bart can cause this too, but so can lyme. Hope you feel better soon.
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One of the things I was complaining about when we were living in our moldy home was I felt like I had a hangover every morning... without drinking.
It was weird. I felt like I was worse getting up than when I went to bed. My muscles hurt. My head hurt. My chest was heavy.
When we got the air test results... the second floor where we all slept was 234,000 per square meter of stachybotrys. (anything over 10 per square meter of stachybotrys and you should not be living in it)
My husband wound up in the ER twice while we were living there with what he thought was a heart attack. We now know it was the mold.
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I started rifampin a couple weeks ago but seemed to bring out some old symptoms. Work was busy and I had to get some sleep.
I have not had my air tested yet although I would like to. symptoms sound similar.
Thanks!
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I think it's related to Bart and Adrenals.
Low cortisol in mornings means body has a hard time controlling inflammation. That = soreness and pain.
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This is Bart for me all the way. Stiff, sore muscles, and heart palps.
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Getting a sleep study seems like a good idea. Sleep apnea is not a benign situation. You can die of a heart attack. You have a 400% higher risk of stroke according to my sleep doctor. Prone to diabetes, weight gain, fluid retention , high blood pressure and a host of other problems.
Hope you get it figured out.
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Thanks Terry, that is a good thought. I have had a sleep study and a monitor o2 sent home to check. Everything was all good.
If it was sleep apnea I think it would be a constant problem? I have gone weeks with great sleep and no symptoms.
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Fuel - have you tried melatonin? It's a great sleeping aid, but also it helps to regulate cortisol levels. Also, it's a great help against Seasonal Affective Disorder for those of us who live up here in Eskimo Land.
Even if it doesn't help you sleep, it has many other therapeutic benefits. Not only is it a powerful antioxidant, but it prevents certain forms of cancer.
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I have Bart and Lyme too... so the symptoms could be Bart! All I know is... my symptoms are much better since we moved out.
I think mold exasperates the symptoms of Lyme, Bart or whatever else you have. That was the case in our family. My son was unable to walk when we were living there. Now he is running track.
The air testing can be done fairly inexpensively with the same equipment professionals use. Air Check Home Mold Testing Kit (with 2 Cassettes) $149.00 http://www.homemoldtestkit.com
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TerryK- Would sleep apnea wake me up at roughly the same time slot all the time? I actually have tried an APAP but did not work for me. Don't think it was programmed right. I looked into this before. Can sleep apnea come and go? I do have symptoms of it.
However, I am not the typical.. 5'11 175 don't think I snore either?
James- I have tried Melatonin a couple times. Both of them had me up a few hours after falling asleep. However, I think I was on LDN at the time also. Think I have been afraid to try it again.
The home mold kit looks interesting. When I can come up with some money, I will look into this. Thanks for the info!
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Fuel wrote: Would sleep apnea wake me up at roughly the same time slot all the time?
Doesn't seem like it but I don't know. You could have sleep apnea aside from another waking problem. GIGI had a chart that she posted that showed which organ might be having problems depending on what time of the night one woke up. I'll see if I can find it and if I do I will post a link to it.
If you have a partner, ask them to keep an eye on your breathing to see if you stop.
You don't have to be fat to have sleep apnea although you will likely get fat if you have untreated sleep apnea.
If you think you have sleep apnea and it comes and goes it would be good to talk to a sleep doctor about it and see if there is a way to test this to see if it is happening to you.
I don't know if this is a possibility but you might be able to use an APAP for a period of time and have the card read to see if you are having problems.
Terry I'm not a doctor
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Hey Fuel, I wanted to apologize because i get the feeling that sometimes I repeat to you the same stuff over and over. I forgot what I tell to who, so that's why I'm so repetitive!
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Terry - Thanks for the info.. that chart would be awesome if you could find it, or give me some keywords to search.
I think I may try to buy a pulse oximeter that has storage and software that you can read on your computer. It is only $70. This way I could see if my oxygen levels were changing during sleep. This I think would be ideal?
James - don't ever apologize buddy. You are always there to try to help me and everything you say has much importance in my book.
As always thanks for your help Fuel
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Everyone has a certain amount of apnea according to what I've read. I'm not sure how much or how you can tell when it is sleep apnea that needs treatment.
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