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Trying to get some feedback on the success of the Salt / C protocol.
I just ordered a bunch of buffered salt tablets, am thinking of doing this in addition to my Rocephin, etc.
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You can join the yahoo group lymestrategies and click on the links to the left. There are success stories posted. Salt/c has saved my life along with antiparasitic herbs. Ramping up slowly is VERY important.
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glm- just reading M.Fetts book on the salt/c plus protocol. Did you follow the 75% veggies/fruit part? How about the additional things he recommends, there are so many I wouldn't know which ones to choose.
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I can say that I think I have had success with gurgeling with salt water when I feel a sore throat coming on and averting a cold, maybe, by killing bacteria directly in my throat with the salt solution
I did look into the salt/c protocol as well, but I am skeptical about the Lyme cure with salt/C idea because the Bb hides inside cells in my brain, so how is a harmful/killing salt concentration supposed to get there? I would think my body would not permit that, since it protects my brain, I hope, no matter how much salt I eat
maybe the salt/c would be good for killing parasites in the throat/stomach/gut if the salt solution gets there after I swallow it
just adding impressions/thought
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I first found the lymephotos site back in o6 here on lymenet. After 4yrs of abx incl 6 mos of IV rocephin, I was desperately ill and decided to try the salt/c and antiparasitic herbs. EVERYTHING pictured on
came out of me after several mos on the protocols.
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I have absoultely no reason to make this up, especially to people who are suffering from this horrific disease.
Rita Stanley apparently doesn't understand the principal of salt/c and has no first hand knowledge about the protocol.
I am simply posting what my experience was and sharing something that has helped me. You can either try it or not. It's entirely up to you.
We don't have that many weapons against this horrific disease. It is very important for anyone following this protocol to follow the guidlines.
In the beginning, I had no appetite, so I really couldn't follow the 75% veg rule. The salt/c will still work. Hope this clarifys some things.
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I'm not a big fan of it being done in conjunction with antibiotics.
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I have a group on Facebook dedicated to Salt/c. Approaching 200 members. If your interested, PM me and I will add you on facebook as a friend and then to the group.
Also, if your interested in the protocol, I made a website at http://salt-c.com
Go to the site and enter the forum.
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I'm just not convinced there is any evidence for it to actually work. I've read about it a bit.
As someone else had mentioned - if you have neuro lyme, how does the salt / c make it into your brain where the disease is causing issues? It shouldn't.
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The answer is simple. Salt is present in every single cell in the body. Salt is responsible for many things in the body.
With that said, the brain has a rich supply of blood and brain tissue, all cells. That is what we are in the big picture. We are nothing but cells.
The excess salt from this protocol will kill off any parasites. Just go outside after a rainstorm and pour some salt on a slug or a worm. Watch it suck out the moisture from these earth creatures as they shrivel up and die.
Since parasites are a huge part of Lyme, the same theory would apply inside the body. The amount of circulating salt without the Protocol is simply not enough. In addition, the theory is that many of these parasites are living inside the intestines, specifically, the small intestines.
Have you ever heard that our stomaches are our 2nd brain ? Well, when the stomach is affected from the GI tract, neurological manifestations can be felt in the brain. i.e. Serotonin receptors are found in the gut 80%. So, when your loaded with Parasites, Serotonin is not being produced as it should. In fact, the parasites are probably feeding off of your Serotonin if I had to guess. I'm sure that other things like your B vitamins, Vitamin D, etc. are all affected from Parasites. After all, they have to eat to live too.
Of course, this is all theory and I can prove none of it.
Bottom line is 3 things:
1. When I treat with this Protocol, I get dead looking worms coming out of me.
2. When I treat with this Protocol, Many of my symptoms get better.
3. When I treat with this Protocol, I Herx as if I were taking abx, only the Herx's are more in my control as I control the amount of Salt/c I am taking.
One last thing: I have checked my electrolytes very frequently on this protocol as well as my Blood Pressure. I have never been Hypertensive on the protocol nor have my Electrolytes ever been out of balance. This tells me that no matter how much salt I am consuming, the body will filter out any excess through the kidneys. Hence, why drinking tons of water is so important on this protocol.
Hope this helps those that are so skeptical.
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Just playing devil's advocate here, so don't take it personally.
Wouldn't it, by your theory, be the same to do Parastroy or some other parasite removal system? This should have the same affect, no? It would remove the parasites from the gut.
And what role does vitamin C play here, since we are constantly referring to salt?
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I also take the Parastroy. Many from the Salt/c protocol have gotten rid of their Lyme.
Lymestrategies is a yahoo group with tons of members. Perhaps look there for more answers.
It gets a bit more complicated, more then I can go into here, but things like Osmosis, Tonicity, Alkalinity etc. play into how it all works.
Vit. C helps with immune function and acts as an antioxidant. That is Vit. C's main role in the protocol.
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Google Dr Michael Gerston. He is the author of "The Second Brain". Good explanation of the brain/gut connection.
Ever wonder why drinking coffee stimulates the brain? Or why taking something like adderral or other ampehtamine wakes up the brain?
For me the antiparasitic herbs and salt/c worked in a similar manner, killing the infections in the gut, helped clear the brain fog. Also google brain gut connection. Interesting stuff.
Gael
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I understand that drinking coffee or taking adderral releases a stimulant into the brain which can cross the blood brain barrier and thus affect the brain.
I've also read a bit about the connection between diet and adhd and leaky gut, etc.
What I don't understand is how salt does that. Maybe I can find something but right now, I'm just not sure it works. Maybe the parasites are the holder of toxins which do cause neuro issues, but I'm just not sure if salt (and not anti-parasitics) are the trick.
Again, just playing devil's advocate...
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I understand what you're saying and questioning. believe me,I have spent many, many hours researching and trying to understand it myself. One explanation I have found is that when you take the salt and drink it with some water, it circulates into the tissues, much like a saline solution does when they give it to you in an IV in the E.R
As Gary explained, the salt puts the parasites into osmotic shock and sucks the water out of them, therefore dehydrating the parasite.
They hate the salt even more than the herbs and will try and escape any way they can.
Hence, the exit from different orfices including the skin, which is considered the largest organ. This has been the best explanation for me, that I have found.
Don't know if it will be for you, but I understand why you would question it, because I think along the same lines.
Gael
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P.S. The way I know for sure that the salt circulates into the tissues, is that my tears are extra salty.
Also to answer your question, about neuro symptoms, mine have been severe, with head pressure, brain fog, dyslexia, add etc. My LLMD found a bulls eye covering my entire scalp.
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Putting a more humoros spin on it....
Parasites trying to fight the herbs
Parasites reaction to the salt
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Honestly I DO want to try this for I'm convinced I have parasites. My issue isn't about how it works... there are so many things in the world that work that we simply cannot explain, so whatever... I'm willing to try.
However, when I read stuff like this, I just want to run the other way!! Coming out of my skin, eyes, ears, nose! I think I'll just keep them inside where I can't see them! I'm PETRIFIED of crawlies!! Just thinking about them makes my skin crawl! I'm such a wimp I know...
quote:Originally posted by glm1111:
Hence, the exit from different orfices including the skin, which is considered the largest organ.
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Scorpiogirl.
Didn't mean to scare you. I know just what you mean about the crawlies. I also hate them and had great fear. When they exit the skin, they first form a scab.
The saclp, was the same thing. The ones from the eyes were mostly like grit, but when you looked closer you could see the parasite.
Not everyone experiences this anyway. Some people just have them exit into the toilet. It,s not nearly as bad as it sounds. If this is too scary for you, just do the herbs or pharma drugs.
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Forgot the most important thing...Sea salt is the oldest natural antibiotic known to man. Google sea salt antibacterial.
Gael
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Gael,
So do you know if I can add this Salt/c and Parastroy to my existing protocol?
I am on IV Rocephin, Zithro and Flagyl. Plus Samento/Banderol, and a bunch of other stuff.
Did they come out of your skin and eyes, ears and nose?? I really think parasites and mold are what keeping me from getting well! So I'm WANT to try... but scared to try! ARGH!!
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I think you will get some very good info about this at lymestrategies because these are the people doing salt/c as well as abx and other herbs and alternatives.
Gael
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onbam, your certainly entitled to your opinion.
How do you explain all the people that have gotten well from the protocol ?
I would also ask why the protocol causes a Herxheimer reaction ?
If you search the site, you will see the owners name on I believe anywho.com. Some people wish to remain anonymous with Lyme and that is not unusual.
When abx or whatever it is your doing fails, this is def. an option.
Lyme in itself is a dangerous disease.
If you don't understand how it works, that is one thing. Many protocols out there that folks don't know how or why it works, but they do for some.
Best to be open minded IMHO
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onbam.
The website labeling may not be correct, however, I can gaurantee you that I and many others, have had these MACROSCOPIC parasites exit into the toilet.
GPs. don't always know what drugs are dangerous, and prescribe many that are in hopes that they will work. Pharmacueticals kill over 100,000 people a year,a fact not a theory.
Sea Salt is a natural bacteriocide and has been used for centurys. I have nothing against abx or other pharma drugs, as some have literally saved my life.
FYI, Gary and I have both been trained in allopathic medicine, and have chosen both alternative and allopathic meds to get well.
P. S.
The herxes from the salt/c protocol can get very rough, and sometimes people mistake this for an adverse reaction. If done properly, and taken a little at a time, it can be lifesaving.
People can do their own research, and decide for themselves wether they want to do the protocol based on fact, not fear.
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quote:Originally posted by onbam: Your GP may know whether or not something is dangerous.
I had to laugh out loud at this statement. My GP to this day refuses to admit I have Lyme! My GP sent me to get every test under the sun and prescribed enough drugs for me to open my own pharmacy! Drugs that were far more harmful and shouldn't even be given to animals let alone human!
Then recently my daughter's Dr. another GP told me after her WB came back w/ one reactive band that "According to the Infectious Disease Doctor, she does not have Lyme so no action is needed. If you want to seek treatment please come by to pick up the lab work and go some where else for we do not treat without a positive Lyme test". Everyone knows that Lyme is a clinical diagnosis and my daughter has symptoms since she was 2!
You lost credibility to me when you made that statement. At this point most folks on Lyme Net are more knowledgeable than any GP! At least they are open minded and want to investigate b/c their very lives depend on it, where as a GP's main concern is how much money he is going to make. Now that's MY humbled opinion!
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I also had to teach my GP about Lyme. Actually, I know so much more than him, that he actually asks me questions about Lyme.
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But most GPs know so little especially when it comes to alternative methods! A. they don't know enough to help, B. they will NOT be supportive even if they know. How will they make money if the simple things like salt and Vit C can help us?
I have completely lost faith in the medical system, the MDs and GPs and everything in between. They don't know about drugs interactions anymore than you or I! Even now my pharmacists are learning from me! At the very least they are willing to LISTEN when I talk about detox. Where as 3.5 months ago you would think I was speaking Elvish!
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I just finished reading an entire book about Vitamin C, so I can contest that the studies show that high dosages are not only safe, but also very therapeutic.
It is impossible to overdose on vitamin C. In the past, before the medical system was so corrupt, doctors used to give their patients 100-200 GRAMS of ascorbic acid (vitamin C) to cure serious illnesses such as cancer.
Personally, I'm taking between 20-40 grams a day every day.
I cannot contest to the safety of sea salt, but I know that I took VERY high dosages of that for a couple of months while doing salt/C, and all my lab tests were normal (including CMP, which would have shown sodium toxicities and mineral imbalances).
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Onbam,
Acute salt poisoning is from not drinking enough water, not from excess salt. It is stated in the Wiki post above that you posted.
Gael
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But is there necessarily any benefit to taking such a high dosage of Vit C? You can absorb only so much, the rest is poo. You'd need to get the time release tablets, or lipospheric C to really saturate. And since C only acts as an antioxidant and not a killer, you might as well take other vitamins in addition to C, and some C as well, then to maximize antioxidant potential saturation.
Right?
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hause - Vitamin C is a very controversial topic, and if you ask 10 doctors, you'll get 10 different opinions.
This book I read showed very well that it is beneficial to take such high dosages.
It is true that the body can only absorb so much, but here is an analogy: You have a bucket that has a hole on it's side, which is near the bottom of the bucket. If you fill the bucket with water all at once, in a short while the water will just leave through the hole. BUT, if you fill the bucket up, and then continuously add a slow stream of water throughout the entire day, you can manage to keep the bucket full.
The same happens with C. It's more beneficial to take frequent dosages throughout the day, in order to keep the levels higher.
You are correct that timed-release and lipospheric forms are better at keeping the levels up. IV is also a very efficient method, though it is rivalled by the efficiency and easy of lipospheric forms.
2-time Nobel prize winner Linus Pauling has said that mega dosages (or "orthomolecular dosages") of Vitamin C can cure most diseases. He was considered a medical genius, but now Big Pharma has labelled him as a quack.
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I should add: other mammals have the ability to create Vitamin C inside their bodies. Humans need to get it from external sources.
The most amazing thing, IMO, is that when animals get sick, their bodies automatically create a lot more vitamin C! ALSO, (and this is very amazing), their cells get modified when they are sick so that they are able to absorb TONS more vitamin C! That says a lot about its usefulness in illnesses. I think the numbers were that the cells can absorb up to 100 times more C when the body is sick.
The same cell modification happens in humans, i.e. when we are ill our cells are able to absorb much more C. The only difference is that humans need to get it from outside sources.
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Oh Yes, Tom Grier was just on Coast to Coast and stated he worked for big Pharma Drugs before he got sick.
He said that he doesn't believe any alternative tx work against lyme. Hmmmmm. There are a lot of Lyme sufferers that got well using alternatives that would disagree with him.
I am sure Linus Pauling, the Noble prize winner for his work on the benefits of vitamin C would have another view on that.
Really skeptical of anyone such as Grier that has such a narrow view and a vested interest in pharmaceuticals. You know, the same people that are trying to control and take away many supplements and herbs that so many people rely on.
Gael
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quote:Originally posted by onbam: glm-- It is dependent on both salt and water levels. The most common cause is dehyrdation simply because humans do not normally ingest large quantities of salt. However, I will rest my piece unless I find some hard data on what safe salt levels are.
That vitamin C link is completely bunk. The levels of vitamin C that the patients were taking were a joke. That's like taking 10 mg of doxycycline a day, and then concluding that it's not an effective antibiotic.
The AMA and the NIH do the same "mistake" (although obviously they are purposefully being deceitful). They do a controlled trial with 1,000mg (only 1 gram, which is a joke) of vitamin C, to see if it cures the common cold or other illnesses. Then they conclude that it has no greater effect than the placebo.
In the link above, the largest dose a patient was taking was 9 grams. The other patients didn't take that much. These are not high enough dosages to be therapeutic.
The doctors who have used C to cure illnesses were using between 50-200 grams of C a day. They also would agree that 9 grams a day (as the above link was stating) isn't very effective. They also would agree (along with the NIH) that 1 gram of C a day doesn't help too much against the common cold.
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To be fair, doctors have claimed the same thing about niacin with no real indication of success.
It's just not fair to say c can kill a virus (cold) without explaining how, as in the mechanism.
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Google "How does Vitamin C work" The site right below wikipedia gives an excellent explanation.
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So where can I read details about the Salt / C protocol without buying a book?
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You can join lymestrategies and go to the links section. I didn't buy the book, I learned on my own, by reading and asking question to the group.
Gael
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Hause - since the medical industry has been so biased against vitamin C, there are obviously not enough PROPER studies done with it for anyone to be able to recommend a proper dosage.
Most of the studies have been formulated to prove to the general public that it is not beneficial to take Vitamin C supplements. For example, they have taught everyone that it is bad for the kidneys, but in reality there is evidence that it cures kidney disease. Another example: they give major magazines and newspapers headlines like: "Study shows that Vitamin C is not effective at curing the common cold."
It is very similar to the current Lyme treatment recommendations. There are not enough studies about Lyme, and no one can say that they know a cure. So what do we do? We listen to the top doctors who have dealt with Lyme the most. We trust them, because they have cured people. I know it's not enough "evidence", but that's all we have right now.
The same thing goes for C. There aren't enough studies, but we can take the advice of the doctors who frequently used high dosages of C and cured many people. Those doctors are recommending high dosages - up to 90% of bowel tolerance.
In other words, when you find out how much C it takes to cause you diarrhea, take 90% of that dosage every day.
The most amazing thing is that when you are sick, you can take so much more vitamin C without getting diarrhea, because the cells are able to absorb more. So basically, even if you know your "90% of bowel tolerance" level when healthy, you'd have to take a much higher level when you are sick.
I've been up to 50 grams a day, and I never had diarrhea. I'm guessing that if I wasn't sick with Lyme, I would probably have had diarrhea way before that amount.
As a sidenote: All of my Lyme symptoms disappeared after the day that I first started megadosing with Vitamin C. That was after having almost 4 months of symptoms. The only problem is that I started doing coffee enemas on exactly the same day, so I am unable to draw any kinds of correlations! Also, it could've been just a complete coincidence, of course. BUT, I do know that it definitely didn't do anything bad to me, because all I saw was improvements.
I can recommend a good C book, if anyone's interested.
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I've been ONLY using sea salt in foods even before I fell sick with lyme. I don't even remember the last time I used table salt (possibly in restaurants).
When I did the salt protocol, I had a problem: no way to take too much Vit C because of tummy problems.
I took a little only.
It is CLEAR in my case that the OTHER EXCESS of salt that I added for the protocol caused me high blood pressure.
I did the experience 3 times to confirm. The last one, it took me many days to get my blood pressure under control.
Scott from betterhealthguy is another one that took salt/C for long, but had to stop because of hypertension. You can read in his blog. It is confirmed by dr. K in his case.
Dr. K uses salt ONLY for parasite cleaning, meaning, short term.
He doesn't believe it eliminates lyme. As I told, I was on sea salt (in food) much before I was first bitten.
Adding the extra salt did cause me some herx-like symptoms, and also gave me tinitus that took me a looong time to get rid of. I didn't know MUCH about cleansing the time I did salt/c, so IT could be herxes that probably caused my tinitus.
I have a problem with the Salt/C forum because they added me in THEIR success stories, without my consent.
I had NEVER been a success story but on the contrary, I HAD to stop salt due to high blood pressure, but I was counted as success!! I am SURE there are others like me, just added as success to increase their success rate.
that doesn't sound fair to me.
I do think salt will help for some stuff. But thinking it a sole bullet protocol for lyme for EVERYBODY, sorry, it's delusional.
I don't think they have loads of profits from promoting it. The only thing they have are huge egos, trying to prove they are right.
The time I visited the board in 2005-2006, many were said healed but needed CONSTANT intake of salt to keep symtpoms low. Whenever they stopped, they relapsed. They had been years on salt/C!!
That doesn't mean healed to my view.
because of my own experience of faked success story, I doubt every single success story in that specific board.
I don't doubt that salt could be beneficial though. But only short term.
and I don't doubt that salt can increase blood pressure. My parents have the issue clearly for the last 40 years. We can see it with our own machines to measure blood pressure.
Not everyone will have high blood pressure with salt. I also believe that, but I do have and so do my parents. Without excessive salt, my blood pressure is normal.
Of course, I never take table salt. For decades, much before this board was created I had been on sea salt. Now I'm also on Himalayan salt.
Some older people from LN also swear they got permanent kidney damage with excess of salt. They swear, you can do a search here.
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Certainly, if you have Cardiac issues i.e. CHF, Hypertension, or Kidney disease, this Protocol is not for you.
Otherwise, as I have stated, it does cause Herxheimer reactions as some have indicated.
Again, dead wormy looking things do show up in the toilet and relief is felt when they are expelled.
So, those of you that don't understand how it works can research it. I have made videos to explain how it works and more die off pics. at http://salt-c.com
I say if it Looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then..........
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Brussels,
I am wondering why your blood pressure did not elevate when you used it on food? Could it be that when you did the protocol that you took too much at one time?
FYI,
An infection can cause the B/P to become elevated, and if you attack the infection, it can probably make it go higher.
I have seen people on here that complained that their B/P escalated after taking antibiotics. This has been an old debate here on lymenet.
Bottom line should be for everyone to do their own research, and decide whether they want to do it or not. If it's done properly by ramping up slowly, and following the guidlines, it shouldn't be a problem.
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quote:Originally posted by James1979: Hause - since the medical industry has been so biased against vitamin C, there are obviously not enough PROPER studies done with it for anyone to be able to recommend a proper dosage.
Actually that's not true... there are studies out there but they are just NOT PUBLISHED!! I don't remember where I saw/read this that listed all the studies that were done to support how beneficial high dosages of Vit C are... but none of them were published for obvious reasons.
Why would they want us to know that a simple Vit C can even cure cancer! How well the Big Pharma make money off of sick people then?
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I use the salt and C weekly as there is something as a parasite that ONLY salt and C reduces.It causes pinching and pocking in my case and if increased in me it will cause pressure in the head.
When I did liver flushes ( Epsom salt ) and once in a while just for one day ( salt and C) I reduce that parasite and the preasure leaves ( could it be moregellons or a unknown parasite ) and I find releif of symtoms for a while.
I have tried Ivermectin , albendanzole,Biltricide, tons of herbs , combinations and I could never kill that parasite.Only weekly or biweekly salt and C in one day only keeps that infection under controll.
And yes I was treated with BIONIC and still came back ( the parasite ) so I know not only lyme causes preasure in the head.
I wonder if Brussels has any type of ricketsia ...in the head .Just a suggestion.Mine reactivates every time I include chemicals in the head even dental work or injections.The Zapper 5 or rife keeps it under the controll otherwise it makes me have HIGH blood preasure.
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James - To be fair, a study that is not. It's a theory.
Cancerous tumors that reproduce out of control beyond the ability of our immune system to control are a genetic deformation of those cancerous cells. It's not immune system related dysfunction.
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I disagree with you about your cancer theory. Many other studies have shown that boosting the immune system cures cancer.
For example, in Japan they've done many studies with shiitake extract showing that the extract cures 67% of mice from cancer, and eliminates 97% of tumors. That's just one example.
What have studies done for us? The studies show that only chemo and radiation cure cancer...
Hahahahaha! LOL! Please, someone stop me.
The FDA, Pharma, and their studies have convinced the majority of Americans and the majority of doctors that toxic carcinogens are the cure for cancer. So much for studies.
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James .. The more I hear your theories and ideas, the more I like you
BTW I am married with a child don't get any crazy ideas people lol
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quote:Originally posted by thehause: Where is there a study that shows that vitamin C can cure cancer?
Get yer torches and pitchforks already!!!
I'm digging... I know I read/watched it some where a few years ago... I wish I made a note of it. But I will let you know when I find it again!
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quote:Originally posted by Fuel1212: James .. The more I hear your theories and ideas, the more I like you
BTW I am married with a child don't get any crazy ideas people lol
LOL... you're too cute! I like James too... but I'm also HAPPILY married w/ 2 kids.
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quote:Originally posted by Fuel1212: James .. The more I hear your theories and ideas, the more I like you
BTW I am married with a child don't get any crazy ideas people lol
LOL! Thanks for the laugh. I LOOOOVE laughing!
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James, My husband wants to know what else (supplements and/or meds)you are taking besides the high vitamin C amounts.
Also what brand of C do you use? Without breaking the bank? We spend a lot on C for him. But it helps him feel better, so its a necessary expense!
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Is this one any good?
I'm not doing Salt/c yet b/c I don't know if I can start while on IV meds. But I think I am going to add Vit C and Magnesium to my protocol.
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Scorpio - I like that one. Actually, I just added it to my cart because it looks like a good price!
A big thing for me is to make sure they're caps. Dang, it's so hard to swallow a bunch of tablets.
Also, PERSONALLY (and I know there will be mixed opinions on this), I prefer plain ascorbic acid to the "ester" and other forms. It's true that some of the other forms are less acidic on the tummy (like calcium ascorbate), but the book I read shows that adding a mineral to the mixture ends up removing half of its antioxidant power.
C is so inexpensive, and it has so much potential to be a major healer. Too bad it's so controversial.
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quote:Originally posted by MannaMe: James, �My husband wants to know what else (supplements and/or meds)you are taking besides the high vitamin C amounts.
Also what brand of C do you use? Without breaking the bank? We spend a lot on C for him. But it helps him feel better, so its a necessary expense!
Woah woah woah... what am I, some kind of expert now? Just a few months ago I was thinking I'd be cured of "Lymes" with 2 weeks of abx!
If you want to know everything I'm taking, PM me. It's a long list.�
Here's the stuff I think is most important for everybody (MY PERSONAL NON-PROFESSIONAL OPINION): -Iodine: Iodoral, at least 1 pill a day (13.5 mg) -Antioxidants: selenium, Alpha Lipoic Acid, CoQ10, Ascorbic acid -Systemic and Digestive enzymes, (plus betaine HCl with meals if your stomach acid is low) -Magnesium!!! -Epsom salt baths with hydrogen peroxide and baking soda, a few times a week -Dry skin brushing a few times a week -Coffee enemas, 3-7 times a week -Castor oil liver packs: this is new for me, but I love it. Why not do this? It's very therapeutic, and raises Lymphocyte counts (strengthens immune system).� -Mushroom extracts!!! Especially shiitake. Pricey, but worth it. -Healthy diet.� -Of course the probiotics also -Astragalus!!! Huge benefits.�
A lot of this stuff is extremely inexpensive yet VERY powerful. It's really a shame that a lot of people don't take enough advantage of them. Then they complain about their miseries, but they're missing out on some of the most powerful and easy-to-do therapies.�
The following are not expensive, and can easily be done by most people: Epsom salt baths, coffee enemas, castor oil liver packs, dry skin brushing, safe sex, and healthy diet. ( Just kidding on the "safe sex" thing. Just wanted to make sure you were still awake! )
Granted some of those can take a lot of time and energy, and some people don't have the time or energy to do those. I very much respect that. Some people are so weak that they can't even do an Epsom salt bath.
BUT if you negligently skipping out on anything in my "cheap but powerful" list, and you are feeling horrible and complaining, then at least blame yourself a little and say "I could be doing a little more to improve my health."
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James,
I thought tablets are easier to swallow than caps??
Well it doesn't matter to me... I can swallow pills all day as long as you don't make me take anything in the liquid form like the Cholestyramine! Eck!!
Now onto Magnesium.
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Scorpio - you really think tablets are easier to swallow than caps? I don't think I've ever heard that before! For me, caps slide down easily, and tablets feel like I'm trying to swallow rocks. Also the tabs frequently get stuck in my throat.
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For my digestive system, caps are easier to break down than tablets.
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James- still not an actual study but it is great if there is some truth to it. Oxidative stress also had negative effects tho.
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I don't have cardiac issues, I don't have hypertension, I just have hypertension when I was on salt/C protocol.
without the excess of salt, my pressure is normal.
I had some similar issues with herxes, sometimes my pressure got higher until I took binders, then again lower.
Now that lyme is gone, I don't have the problem anymore (on and off).
The elevation of blood pressure was the reason why I stopped the protocol.
My parents don't have lyme, they live far from tick land. They do have the issue with sea salt for decades. So it's not my imagination.
In my case, it could be either herxes or salt. But it took me many days to lower it after stopping salt, so I didn't want to risk.
Scott also has been using salt with HUNDREDS of detox supplements, he ALSO had to stop and the reason was hypertension. If my memory is good, dr. K. put him off salt.
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Vit C is wonderful, if you can tolerate high doses of it. My bowel tolerance is very low, I don't remember how much, but was around 2 grams, which is too little.
If would love to have taken more.
Take a look at Jimbob posts, in 2006. He found a source of Vit C, very inexpensive, that was recommended by Buhner, I think on a private email to him. He bought that by pounds and swore by it.
Buhner also thinks Vit C is a big help.
dr. K. thinks it's a big help for CLEANSING. ------ James, add the cheap Vit D3, rubbed iodine (I think in America is called Iodoral)?. Vit D3 offered me good benefits during lyme.
The literature of health benefits of Vit D is amazing. It is a huge help, in case you don't get your daily dose of sun, without any sunscreen.
Now, I still take it in winter and it prevents colds in an AMAZING way.
All lyme patients (if memory is good), according to dr. K. are iodine defficient. I rubbed the stuff on my thigh every night and I did feel a boost in energy from it.
Another thing is missing is chlorella. A complete food as well as detoxifier for heavy metals and die off toxins.
As for shiitake, you can buy the dried version and prepare teas yourself. Or foods. It is possibly not as strong as extract, but it is quite unexpensive.
In Japan and Korea, people eat that almost daily. Or just do a search and prepare an alcoholic tincture with them (if possible). I'm sure it will cost a fraction of the price. Preparing the tincture takes only 1,2 months, it's more waiting than work, very easy to do.
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Brussels - I completely agree on the D3. I guess I didn't include it in my brief list because I thought it was common sense that everyone should take D. Unfortunately, many people are ignorant of that also.
I also agree about the benefits of chlorella, but now with the Fukushima fallout I don't' know if there are any safe sources left. Nobody seems to have any direct answers concerning the safety of Japanese chlorella, and most chlorella is coming from there.
Do you happen to know if Dr. K is an advocate of mega-dosing (orthomolecular) vitamin C? I'm just curious.
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Scorpio - you really think tablets are easier to swallow than caps? I don't think I've ever heard that before! For me, caps slide down easily, and tablets feel like I'm trying to swallow rocks. Also the tabs frequently get stuck in my throat.
I stand corrected! I got them confused! I was thinking capsules but I said tablets! LOL...
Dang it I just ordered 500 tablets of Vit C too when I really want capsules! Bummer!!
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I often heard about intravenous Vit C with him.
C-Samento (14), CGF und Korianderkraut zusammen mit nicht bestrahltem Mucunabohnenpulver (14) k�nnen fast alles andere im Gewebe abl�sen. Intraven�s verabreichtes oder inhaliertes SH-Glutation hilft beim Transport von Neurotoxinen aus der Zelle. DMPS, Kalzium-EDTA und intraven�s verabreichtes Vitamin C transportieren Giftstoffe im extrazellul�ren Raum zu den Ausscheidungsorganen. Alpha-Lipons�ure hilft Schwermetalle, die an Glutation gebunden sind, aus der Leber in der Galle auszuscheiden. Die wichtigste �neue" Substanz, die hilft, Neurotoxine aus der Zelle zu bef�rdern, sind Phospholipde. Wir benutzen seit zwei Jahren mit gro�em Erfolg �Phospholipid Exchange" - eine energetisch aufbereitete Kombination von Soya-Phospholipiden, EDTA, Alpha-Lipons�ure und Magnesium (14).
Short explanation: He uses Vit C IV for transport of toxins from biological toxins or other types of toxins, from intracellular to extracellular (lymph).
-------------------- Against worms: Wir fangen immer an mit einer Wurmkur. Daf�r benutzen wir das von mir bereits in der "Hier und Jetzt" ver�ffentliche Salz und Vitamin C-Protokoll (19), das selbst auch einen unabh�ngigen Effekt gegen die Spirocheten selber hat. Die hohe Salzkonzentration t�tet gro�e Parasiten durch osmotische Dehydr�tation (osmotischer Schock). Hohe Salzeinnahme f�rdert auch die Aktivit�t des Enzyms Elastase, das einen starken Antispirocheteneffekt hat (4). Die Elastase macht L�cher in der Zellwand der Keime und diese dann empfindlich f�r unsere Kr�uterbehandlung und die anderen Behandlungsschritte.
Protokoll: 1,5 g Salz pro 10 kg K�rpergewicht in vier geteilten Dosen pro Tag. Mit jeder Dose gibt man auch 1-4 g Vitamin C. Vitamin C wird so dosiert, dass gerade eben kein Durchfall entsteht. Ich gebe diese Substanzen f�r 3-6 Wochen mit einer anschlie�enden zwei Wochen Pause. Ich habe viele Borrelienpatienten, denen es unter dieser Behandlung super geht, die aber ohne die Behandlung wieder in ihren alten Status zur�ckfallen
He uses Vit C and salt for worms (but not only that, you can read the rest of the article), and the amount is 1 to 4 grams a day of Vit c, to bowel tolerance. He does that during 3-6 weeks with salt, then stop for 2 weeks.
--------------- To put out mycotoxins from the body, he uses IV Vit C again.
Das effektivste Pilzmittel aus der Natur ist der gefriergetrocknete biologisch angebaute Knoblauch (von BioPure/INK). Das effektivste schulmedizinische Mittel ist das Ampho Moronal 250 mg 2 x t�glich f�r 9 Monate. Pilzbelastungen und die daraus resultierenden Mycotoxin-�berlastungen werden h�ufig �bersehen und sind ganz wesentlich bei der Katzinogenese beteiligt. Pilztoxine werden effektiv �ber die Leber ausgeleitet mit intraven�sen Gaben von Glutanion, Alpha-Lipons�ure und Vitamin C. Wir verwenden auch ozoniertes Rhizinus�l, sowohl als Tropfen als auch als Z�pfchen (Para Rizol).
----- So yes, he uses IV Vit C a lot and a bit of oral Vit C for deworming.
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Another article explains he uses Vit C for heavy metal detox, again IV Vit C and points that the IV version is much more efficient than oral.
1.Vitamin C: metals are usually locked into the brain cells, after they have been oxidized (= loose their electron(s) of the outer orbits) by the intracellular enzyme catalase. In this form they are firmly bound to proteins or peptides. Vitamin C delivers free electrons to the intracellular environment. Metal ions become reduced and return to their metallic form. For example mercury returns from it's Hg + or Hg ++ back to Hg0. In this form mercury becomes a gas at body temperature and crosses cell membranes and tissues with no problem. It can therefore leave the cell and get in contact with extracellular proteins, where it loses its electrons again. From here it is easier for the body to eliminate Hg by using the sulphhydryl-group containing aminoacids, peptides or proteins (such as glutathion or cysteine) or by using porphyrin-compounds. Hg can be exchanged in the mucous membrane of the gut into vegetable fiber residues inside the fecal matter etc. Intravenous Vit C is far superior to oral Vit.C in accomplishing this task.
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What is the most gentle type of vit c on the gi tract?
thanks
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Ester C with bioflavinoids. I get the powder by American Health and buy it at Vitacost.
Gael
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Ester C with bioflavinoids. I get the powder by American Health and buy it at Vitacost.
Gael
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I've heard vitamin C should have bioflavinoids in order for your body to use the C better.
Anyone know if this is correct?
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Lipo-Spheric C is most easily used by the body that rocks the pawty.
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