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James1979
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Does anybody know if jogging or running has the same positive effect on lymph flow as does jumping on a rebounder?

I would guess that they would have similar benefits, especially because there's so much bouncing up and down... but I just wanted to hear what others think about this.

Thanks

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Similar, but I think the rebounder has more of an effect based on what I've read. But any impact will help. Or even non-impact movement. Keeping things moving is the key. But for lymph, I can feel it move with the rebounder.

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No, not remotely the same James. Here are the benefits of rebounding.

http://www.healingdaily.com/exercise/rebounding-for-detoxification-and-health.htm

My girlfriend has been rebounding for at least 8 years and she is now up to an hour a day. She contributes this as a huge part in her success in fighting her cancer. I bought one 4 years ago and was working my way up to a full 10 minutes before my right leg went numb. Now my balance is way off, plus my legs hurt too much so I can't do it at all. I'm still bummed, b/c I actually liked doing it too. I leave it out in the play room so the kids rebound throughout the day.

If you are thinking of getting one please be sure to get a decent one that was made for exercising, not the little toy thing you see at Walmart. Another friend got that one $20 from Walmart and ended up twisting her ankle!! So not all rebounders are made for grownups!

This is the one I have for 4 years. Still as good as new! Wow the price went down a lot since!! I paid close to 1K for it. But back then there was only a handful of distributors in the US and now you can buy directly from them.

http://www.bellicon-usa.com/bellicon-shop/bellicon-172.html

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Wow, I can't believe you paid so much for it!

Here's the one I bought:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000067Q0P/ref=wms_ohs_product

And it's been serving me well for about a year now. I think it was $45 when I bought it. It seems very stable, and I'm not afraid of it.

I really like the ones without the springs, because they're much quieter. I didn't want it to sound like people were having "marital relations" whenever I was rebounding! [Smile]

Thanks sixgoofy and scorpio for your input. I'll have to start rebounding more often now.

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My husband would never let me get one w/ the springs... the noise would make him insane. So I bought the Bellicon b/c it's springs-free. Here is a quote from their website.

"Did you ever wonder why kangaroos are able to jump as far and high as they do? The secret is a built-in rubber band in their legs: the Achilles tendon. This tendon enables them to jump with ease while using only a small amount of force. The same kind of mechanism is at work in a bellicon: extremely elastic bungee cords enable you to bounce with only half the energy normally needed to keep you going. The advantage: you have the benefit of upward and downward motion without a lot of exertion. There has never been exercise equipment with this kind of ability to do most of the work for you.

The advantage of Bellicon high tech bungees is that they give you a superbly gentle landing on the mat." It is true... the landing is awesome so you can actually rebound longer.

Also the cords are very easy to change should I need to change them. But so far so good for 4 years. I hope to be able to rebound again one day in the very near future. And of course my Yoga classes!

OMG... what are you talking about "marital relations" when you rebound! I wouldn't know... we only have the Tempur-Pedic beds in our house. Those beds are super quiet... not one peep! [Smile]

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Okay, I'll change my analogy: "...like people having 'marital relations' in a cheap motel." [Big Grin]
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I think even sitting on a trampoline & bouncing can help the lymph flow. I always liked mine even though I could never go jogging. The impact from the jogging was too much for my back to tolerate.
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Hey Sparkle7, you think sitting and bouncing it helpful? Well if that's the case I can sit and bounce all day long! I'm scared to do it standing up b/c my balance is pretty bad right now so the last thing I need is to suffer a fall and break a bone! But I'll definitely try to do it sitting. [Smile]

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Scorpiogirl...some of the rebounders have a handle bar attachment that you can buy so that you can hold on and keep your balance while you do it.

ie...something like this http://www.amazon.com/Needak-0112-Rebounder-Stabilizing-bar/dp/B000J4OHQU/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1318618155&sr=8-5

That may be something you would need if you were interested in this.

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Yes. You can stimulate lymph flow by just bouncing. I've also been looking into the big excercise balls, too (like they use for pilates - I believe). Sitting on them & bouncing is also good for a number of health issues.

fyi -

Second, the sitting bounce is an excellent health exercise for disabled individuals that are not strong enough to stand on the rebounder. Sitting on the mat and lightly bouncing is enough to flush the lymphatic system, boost the immune system, increase circulation, and oxygenate the entire body. Alternatively, a person can still benefit from placing their legs on the rebounder and having someone else bounce up and down.

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/031739_rebounding_cell_health.html#ixzz1amuOA0pp

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continued...

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With the exercise ball, also called a Swiss ball or physio ball, an element of instability is introduced to the exercise that one would not normally get in a floor exercise. The body responds naturally and automatically to this instability to keep balanced on the exercise ball. Over time, the muscles used to keep in balance on the exercise ball become stronger. In essence, individuals build strength in important back muscles and abdominal muscles without knowing it.

The exercise ball also uses what is called "proprioception," an awareness of where one's hand or foot is in relationship to space. The instability of the exercise ball provides the body with constant opportunities to evaluate its orientation in space, developing and training the body's natural awareness. Enhanced proprioception provides the body with increased balance and stability.

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Introduction to Using an Exercise Ball
As an introduction to exercising on the ball, it is often recommended that one simply sit on one for 30 minutes a day and bounce lightly, continually finding and maintaining balance on the ball.

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Sitting on an Exercise Ball
The exercise ball can also be used as a replacement for a chair at work or home. The movement of the exercise ball requires muscular response to keep ones center of gravity and maintain balance on the ball. This stimulates the deeper trunk muscles (multifidus and transverse abdominus) that are important in supporting the spine, and reduces static loading on any one structure in the spine.

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PS - It's important to get the right size exercise ball for your height.

I got one recently at Wallmart for $11. It was on sale & it works great! I also got a mat that they use for camping (under the sleeping bag) & a roller thingy. It really helps. I like this kind of mat better than a regular exercise mat. It's really cushiony & feels great. You can get charts & info on the internet as to how to use these things. I find that I can be my own physical therapist...

I also have a rebounder but it's in storage now. I love that, too. You can put on some music or watch a movie/tv & just bounce. I used to put it on the patio & bounce outside for some fresh air.

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SPRING SAFETY:

ALWAYS keep springs covered. If a cover does not come with your model, make one that withstand the breaking of a spring.

Probably about 30 years ago, when these first came out, I had one and used it an hour a day. One day, a spring broke and rocketed across the room, shattering a big, sturdy glass picture frame into a million pieces.

Had someone been in the path, they could have been seriously injured or even killed. Really.

Spring DO become fatigued from wear. Some are also incredibility hard to replace. Read all the reviews you can about every aspect of the longevity of the unit considering.

And - be sure the spring cover is going to work if needed.

Check the springs regularly for signs of wear and replace if there is any indication of such.


INNER / MIDDLE EAR CONSIDERATIONS:

For anyone with inner / middle ear problems, you might first want to TRY out a mini trampoline before buying it.

This activity can make vestibular / balance problems worse if it jossles the inner ear system.

A PT ball might be the best way to go to for a full body gentle bounce that is not as hard on the inner ear tissue but is still stimulating to lymph flow.

For some, even a moderate bounce on the PT Ball can make ears worse so listen to your body and start VERY slowly and, when finished, do a little balancing exercise to be sure all systems are stable before heading out on your skate board, eh?

OTHER WAYS TO MOVE LYMPH:

For some with middle ear bone abnormalities, any bouncing may be too harsh on the ears. There are other ways to move lymph - warm bath, massage, movement exercise such as Tai Chi or Qi Gong, or Yoga or Pilates. Gentle dancing to music that moves you, however that can be accomplished.

VINYL & OFF-GASING:

Also, whatever new items are purchased, it's best to air them out in a garage or someone's home who is not sensitive to chemicals. The vinyl can off gas and affect us.

(Be sure to avoid vinyl shower curtains as they continually off-gas when warm from shower water and steam).

New or older, though, never put either trampoline or PT ball near a heater or in the sun (although, when new, putting it in the sun OUTDOORS would help to air it out).

If possible, buy used, from someone who is a non-smoker and who does not use perfumed products in their home.
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Sparkle & Keebs - thanks a lot for the info!

That was an excellent article on the naturalnews site linked to above. I'm getting super excited to rebound more often! [Smile]

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i use the lympholine version of rebounder (not squeekky),
or a big trampoline outside when i am up to it,
and when ill i use a chi machine.
awesome lymph flow by just laying down.
the chi works even when your not too sick to excercise.

i also do the five tibetan rites as excercise.

moving any way you want to cover this kind of flow is really important!!

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Thick BALANCE PADS for a cushioning work-out with a bit of bounce:

As I can no longer use a trampoline and even the PT Ball can be too much for my ears, I have found that this Balance Pad provides a very nice gentle bounce just right for my legs, etc. and it still keeps the ears relatively stable.

Most of the time, I just move in place, not even lifting feet. For those with nausea, this works the best.

Mine is 2.5 inches thick. Closed cell phone and never off-gased for me but it was summer when I got it and windows were always open. Still, it's not vinyl and once that coating cures, the is no smell.

This will not allow one to lift off the ground but it can give the legs a nice workout.

WEAR rubber soled athletic shoes, though, to keep from flying off of it and to give feet and ankles more stability.
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http://www.amazon.com/Airex-Balance-Non-Skid-Non-scuff-Bottom/dp/B0052ZUZN0/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1318628428&sr=8-14

AIREX BALANCE PAD
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This thread is awesome. Thanks, guys!

Two more questions:
1) Is lymph circulation via the rebounder good for the liver? Is rebounding good for the liver in any other way besides the effect on the lymphatic system?

2) This question is off topic, but since it's my thread I give myself permission: Is it possible that 6 months of antibiotic treatment can make someone age faster? I think my face looks much older than it was before I got Lyme (6 months ago), and I don't ever remember aging so quickly. (I didn't want to start a new thread for this small question).

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it's quite possible you look older, james.
if you think you do, you probably do.

but this is normal after being sick, imo.
good news is you can get it all back, restore to your former hot self, and then some!

when i was ill in the past i looked ten years older than i did before i got so sick,
but by this year because of the above post and many other things i did...
because i got healthy, i looked as "young" as i did before i got sick with lyme the first time.
(skin and other vibrance, ect..)

now as i have been re-infected, i see signs coming back, but am trying to support my health enough so as not to slide too far.

my point is i don't believe "aging" visibly (face, body, skin, hair) is due to years,
it's a matter of health.

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traditional chinese medicine doctors look at this as indication of health.
skin, nails, fitness, toungue, skin color, ect..
full moon on all nails is sign of good circulation...

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Nice to see you back, Keebler!

Illness can make you look older. The usual complaint with fibromyalgia is "you don't look sick" though... (some people here have had the fibro diagnosis). It may have to do with the effects of abx on the delicate balance of microbes in the intestine...?

Try Life Extension - http://www.lef.org/ - they have alot of good info about staying young. Let's just hope they don't take our supplements away.

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Thanks for the info, Mo.

And yeah, I lost the full moon on all of my nails. I think they were there before Lyme. My LLMD pointed this out to me right away. Also my pulse ox is always on the low side. BUT I feel perfectly fine as long as I'm taking the abx, so I'm weird.

I'm just hoping that when I stop the abx, my body will return to "normal" and all this smaller stuff will just go away... but maybe that's just wishful thinking.

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when you stop the abx you will just have to work on it, and it will go away.

but not on it's own. whatever you need to clear the tissues, all the way to the most fine capilaries and cells, you should do, imo.

don't accept looking older than 28. [Cool]

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the five tibetan rites, every day, help me allot too.

i could not do these when i had mi picc line in, but just got it out.
i have been doing these for 2 yrs, every morning after an oil pull.
it works, to strengthan all your organs.
get your "vortexes spinning in the right direction"

(learned this from a drummer friend [Big Grin] )

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Ancient-Secret-of-the-Fountain-of-Youth/Peter-Kelder/e/9780385491624/?itm=1

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quote:
Originally posted by Pam08:
Scorpiogirl...some of the rebounders have a handle bar attachment that you can buy so that you can hold on and keep your balance while you do it.

ie...something like this http://www.amazon.com/Needak-0112-Rebounder-Stabilizing-bar/dp/B000J4OHQU/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1318618155&sr=8-5

That may be something you would need if you were interested in this.

Oh wow!! I can totally rebound if I can HOLD on to something!! I'm going to call Bellicon and see if they have something I can add on to the one I have. I don't know if I want to buy another since I really love what I have and it's HUGE! Thanks for pointing that out! I'll investigate for sure.

My LLMD came back from some medical conference and she said we must try to stimulate the lymphatic system. She even suggesting Lymphatic massages... BUT she said it's hard to find someone who knows how to do it properly!

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quote:
Originally posted by James1979:
This thread is awesome. Thanks, guys!

Two more questions:
1) Is lymph circulation via the rebounder good for the liver? Is rebounding good for the liver in any other way besides the effect on the lymphatic system?

2) This question is off topic, but since it's my thread I give myself permission: Is it possible that 6 months of antibiotic treatment can make someone age faster? I think my face looks much older than it was before I got Lyme (6 months ago), and I don't ever remember aging so quickly. (I didn't want to start a new thread for this small question).

OMG!! You're killing me James!! Is this supposed to be a serious question?? LMAO!

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re - Lymphatic massages...

If you look for people who practice the Dr. Emil Vodder technique - they are usually pretty good. There is also a device called the Lymphstar pro that stimulates lymph. I never tried it but you can do a search of these things. The massage is very relaxing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manual_lymphatic_drainage

http://www.arcturusstar.com/Lymphstar.php

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quote:
Originally posted by scorpiogirl:
OMG!! You're killing me James!! Is this supposed to be a serious question?? LMAO!

Oh my goodness, you are so mean to me! Why do you think everything I write is a joke??! I was trying to ask a serious question here! [Big Grin] Good riddance. What's so funny about my face looking 2 years older in a 6-months period of time?

First you told me last week you want to beat me mercilessly with a splintered 2x4 (yeah, I remember that.. I forgive, but I don't forget!), then you laugh at my questions???? [Razz]

But seriously, it was meant to be serious. I am serious sometimes. And I was serious about the squatting toilets too, but that's for another day.

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The Bionic regulates lymph.

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can't read everyone's post right now, but wanted to chime in:

This is so weird!!!

My body often tells me stuff to do that is right and I don't know how it knows that....

deh-da-duh-da - twilight zone - maybe we are all ONE, as the yogi suggests, and this is devine knowledge that reaches me through that connection

I loooaave bouncing on the stability ball - now I know why

thanks you guys!

also, you may want to consider this: I bought a $10 inflatable stability ball from Walmart and I sit on it and bounce up and down - poor woman's version of the rebounder, I guess [Wink]

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James

I have noticed aging more than usual.

- but a facial scrub helps bring back some color and 'strech-i-ness' to your skin. Same for skin on arms, legs....

Can't hurt just using a washcloth and waking up the skin cells...

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17hens - if the Bionic (i.e. near-infrared light) regulates lymph, would it also be true that IR and FIR also regulate lymph flow?

Harmony - Quote: "deh-da-duh-da"... Yeah, I totally recognize that song from your transliteration of the melody. [Wink]

dogsandcats - Would that be like a version of "dry skin brushing" for the face?
(P.S. I'm not actually interested in trying to make my face look younger. I've always looked younger than I am, so it's probably good if I start finally looking like an adult now! [Smile] I just wanted to learn why I would see so much aging so quickly).

Scorpiogirl - I'm still waiting for that apology... Laughing at my serious questions... how barbaric! [Big Grin]

@Everyone: I recently read an article that was saying that singing from the diaphragm was good for lymph flow. Now I can't find the article, but I do remember that I was very suspicious of it when I read it.

Can anyone confirm that singing from the diaphragm IS good for lymph flow? Are there lymph nodes by the diaphragm?

I just feel very suspicious of that theory, because if that were true then even deep breathing would stimulate lymph flow... correct?

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I don't think you can say, "because this does suchandsuch then these do too." You have to find out what it is exactly that regulates the lymph.

I'm thinking it would depend on the performance of the photon, the wavelengths and the figure of the pulses.

For instance, the Bionic regulates hormones. I haven't heard that the PE-1 does that. Maybe it does but I haven't heard/read it.

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i can tell you it is affirmative that true singing from the diaphram stimulates lymph flow.
no time to find proof cuz i'm running out, but i'm sure i can because one of my "old school" esteemed vocal teachers told and taught me so.
i also have the experience of it.

in fact, any good vocal warm up comes with excercises and stretches much like a dancer, plus the diaphram work..then sound.
the sound has 600hz vibrations!

also, certain types of very intensive deep breathing excercises can be similar, maybe later i can find links to that too.

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Interesting about the singing. Maybe the same can be said for playing the flute .... I ALWAYS felt better after playing my flute when I was sick. It also helped me with the air hunger from the babesia.

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Thanks for the info.

Yeah, the study was saying "This could be a reason why you feel good when you're singing." Of course there might be many other reasons why singing (or playing instruments) might make someone feel well... even things that are outside the scope of scientific studies.

There was another study done earlier this year saying that singing makes you feel good because it increases the dopamine levels.

I'm sure it's a bunch of different factors. But either way, I think it's interesting if lymph flow is one of the factors.

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You guys aren't gonna believe what happened to me today. Here's the story:

Today my friend pulled me aside and asked: "Are you okay?" He looked very worried, like he was concerned about me. I said: "Yeah, I'm okay." He asked: "How do you feel?" I said: "I feel very good, actually."

Here's the funny part... Then he said: "Oh. Because you look much younger." I said: "What?" He said: "Your face looks much younger than usual. You skin is very smooth." I was laughing more than he expected I would, and then I told him: "I would have thought I'd be looking older than usual, because I've been sick for months." I was smiling about that for a long time because I was remembering this thread.

Anyway, it's nice to feel sexy again. [Big Grin]

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wow............ that was fast!
pray tell, what is you're secret?

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quote:
Originally posted by Mo:
wow............ that was fast!
pray tell, what is you're secret?

[Big Grin] mo

I wish I knew! I was trying to think yesterday of any new supplements I've been taking, but I don't remember adding anything new. As I said before, I don't actually care about looking older, so I didn't actually try any "remedies" to try to "fix" the problem.

I actually accepted the possibility that maybe someone on LN prayed for me, and God listened! [Smile] You never know...

The only problem with that theory is that maybe the person should've been praying for something more important than James' face. [lol] [Big Grin]

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to tell you the truth, i drummed and danced this weekend expressly for your facial rejuvination.
that's right.

i've nothing better to do, and you really seemed to be falling apart --
what with the toungue thing, the butt hygeine issue and now this! [Razz]

you were really letting yourself go, bud,
so i'm glad i could help.

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Reading this thread about James looking older and then younger is beginning to sound an awful lot like "Go Ask Alice."

Btw, no rebounder for me here - all my joints would become discombobulated - I swim instead - I'm sure it helps the lymph flow just fine. And now it sounds like if I can manage to sing a little while swimming (I do use a snorkle), this could enhance the lymph flow effect...

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Mo - thanks for the drumming and dancing! [Big Grin]
Can you please tell me what religion you are? PM me if you want. I'm very curious, especially because on another thread you were talking about playing African drums. Thanks! [Smile]

Robin - Yes, please don't rebound. I don't want to hear one day that your joints were "discombobulated'! (P.S. My spell checker is saying that that isn't a word... THAT'S how rare the word is! [Smile] ).

@All_my_peeps: Can someone please explain to me how lymph flow works? I was trying to imagine it today, but found it impossible.

First of all, it's a closed system, right? In other words, no liquids ever actually leave your body when you are "circulating" your lymphatic fluids, correct? I would imagine then that it's similar to the circulatory system for the blood.

If it's a closed system, then how in the world does jumping up and down help the liquid to circulate?

For example, picture a garden hose which is full of water and has both ends joined together, creating a closed loop. If someone holds that hose in their hands and jumps up and down, making the hose go up and down with him, the liquid in that hose is not circulating at all. How, then, is the lymphatic system different than my closed-loop example with the garden hose? I would love to understand this, if someone would be so kind as to explain.

P.S. I can draw a picture of the guy holding the hose while jumping up and down, if anyone wants... [Big Grin]

P.P.S. this is my last post tonight because I'm about to pass out. Good night everyone! I love you all!!! [kiss]

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No one can explain to me how rebounding makes the lymph move? Does anybody understand it? It just doesn't make any sense to me. Maybe tomorrow I'll try to draw a diagram of what I'm talking about.

I'm not doubting that it works... I'm just wondering HOW it works.

BTW I apologize that I got all lovey-dovey in my post from last night. When I'm tired I lose all inhibitions, and it becomes like I'm drunk. [Smile] That's why I try not to write much when I'm tired.

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