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my daughter did 48mg for 14 days. She is the size of an adult.
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Thank you! I'll clean out my mailbox soon as I can...
Yes, the Ivermectin is the same for humans & animals as far as I can tell. It's about $9 for enough for a 1300 lbs. horse. Last I checked, it was around $100 for the human dosage. I have to compare the dosages, though. I'm not sure what the equivilent is between human & the animal verson (it comes in a paste version). I'll post more later.
It's kind of galling how much of a difference in price it is for humans vs. animals. Goes to show you...
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You might find better pricing in Canada. Just a thought. What about insurance?
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As you can see, Ivermectin is one of the most effective and well-rounded wormers available, though as with all wormers it does have its weaknesses since it is ineffective against small encysted strongyle and tapeworms. A very safe wormer, Ivermectin can be given in doses up to 60 times the standard dose without causing harm to your horse.
The most popular Ivermectin-based wormers are Zimecterin and Equimectrin.
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The die-off is very extreme in some cases in my experience. It says it's safe for horses at 60X the standard dosage. I would start off slowly with it since the die-off is usually worse than any side effect of the drug.
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It's not really much cheaper for foreign (Canadian, Mexican, etc.) Ivermectin & you don't know if it's counterfeit or off date.
I don't have insurance... Why pay $100 for something that you can get for $9? I'm going to try to find the equivalent dosages or calculate it myself. I'll post it as soon as I can find it.
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Ivermectin (Stromectol): 1 dose*, based on .2mg/kg, 1 hr before bedtime, on empty stomach, with 8oz water or beverage. Take dose for 4 days on, 3 days off. Repeat dosage every week (even during off-days of Albendazole) for 5 or more weeks, as needed, to cure infection.
Alternate Dosage Schedule: For severe hyperinfection cases, follow this schedule instead of the above: Take dose for 7 days on, 2 days off, 2 days on. Continue the "pulse method" of 2 days off, 2 days on, etc, even during off-days of Albendazole, until infection is cured.
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Ivermectin (Stromectol) comes in 3mg, 6mg, & 12mg tablets.
Instead of tablets, you can take Ivermectin cattle suspension: ~ Cattle Pour-On Suspension (Agri-mectin, Agrimectin, Ivomec, & Durvet Ivermectin) contains 5mg/ml of Ivermectin. ~ To calculate your dose*, see Examples below. Use an oral syringe to measure your dosage. ~ Mix suspension into beverage or small amount of soft food (e.g., pudding, applesauce, yogurt, etc) to mask the strong taste. May add sugar or other sweetener.
Instead of tablets, you can take Ivermectin horse paste: ~ Buy Ivermectin (1.87%) horse paste without other meds (e.g., Zimectrin Gold contains Praziquantel). ~ Brands: Agri-mectin, Bimectin, Durvet, Equell, Equimax, Equimectrin, Eqvalan, Horse Health, Promectin, Vetrimec, Zimectrin (Regular, not Gold), & other generic brands. ~ Paste is prefilled in a plastic syringe with knotches marked in pounds (lbs). Each syringe treats a total of 1,250lbs. Divide your weight into 1,250lbs to calculate # of doses in each syringe & # of syringes needed for treatment before ordering. ~ Instructions for measuring dosage & dispensing paste: http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1678512#i ~ Mix paste into small amount of soft food (e.g., pudding, applesauce, yogurt, etc.) to mask the yucky taste. May add sugar or other sweetener.
To convert your body weight from pounds (lbs) to kilograms (kg), use the Curezone "Convert Weights Easily" Calculator (scroll down to middle of page): http://curezone.com/conversions.asp.
*Calculating Ivermectin Dosage Examples: Your weight = 132lb = 59.874kg (rounded to 60kg) Tablet Dose = .2mg x 60kg = 12mg Paste Dose = See above instructions to measure weight in lbs Suspension Dose: = .2mg x 60kg = 12mg divided by 5mg/ml = 2.4ml
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Poportionally, I think the horse paste dosage is the same as the human dosage (I might be wrong). This is just one example of dosing. I was just wondering what people's doctors were prescribing to compare the concepts of what a variety of doctors are doing.
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human dosage - 200-mcg/kg dose of ivermectin
horse paste dosage - This syringe contains sufficient paste to treat one 1250 lb horse at the recommended dose rate of 91 mcg ivermectin per lb (200 mcg/kg) body weight. Each weight marking on the syringe plunger delivers enough paste to treat 250 lb body weight.
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Looks the same to me.
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Comparison in price based on Deb133's dosage -
my daughter did 48mg for 14 days. She is the size of an adult.
(a Canadian drugstore)
Stromectol 12mg pills: (4 pills x 14 days = 56 pills)
5 pills 12mg
$22.75 $4.55 per item
10 pills 12mg
You save $7.00 $38.50 $3.85 per item
20 pills 12mg
You save $15.00 $76.00 $3.80 per item
30 pills 12mg
You save $23.70 $112.80 $3.76 per item
About $210.
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A few tubes of horse paste -
one brand was $2.49 enough to treat a 1250 lbs. horse...
Each tube is enough to have about 8 doses so you need about 2 or 3 tubes at $2.49 = under $10...
See what I mean...?
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PS - I am in no way advocating for people to try Ivermectin or take any veterinarian medicines not prescribed for humans.
Do so at your own risk! Do the research on your own & be careful.
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Deb133 wrote that her daughter took 48mg for 14 days. That sounds like a high dose from what I've read. Does anynoe know what the dose is that Dr. Fry recommends?
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She was taking 48mg when she was doing Dr K's 4 week parasite protocol.
Right now she is only doing low dose 3mg once a day as now we are waiting to see if she has FL 1953
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Deb-thanks for sharing that info. Is your daughter feeling better after taking the Ivermectin? Is she taking the tablets? Sorry so many questions.
I hope to get tested in the next couple of weeks for this bug. I called last week and asked my doctor's office to order the test kit. If the patient orders the kit there's a $15.00 charge. No charge if the doctor's office orders the kit.
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Someone posted a link to a co-cure post that has a lot of info about Ivermectin. If you scroll down to where the person talks about Ivermectin she says to take it with doxy. I don't remember why, but there's a lot of good info there. Also have read to take it very slow with this med because the die-off can be very bad. Also supposed to be taken while on a low fat diet because of the biofilms that it forms.
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Yes! I have been following that thread. She is trying to stay low fat...hard but trying her best. We havent started up the Ivermectin again until
we see if things will settle down.
Thanks again
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Low-fat diet while taking Ivermectin??
I took this for 1 week while on Mepron. As you know, Mepron requires fat.
One step forward...two steps back!
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Low fat diet and Baby doses of Ivermectin is what Dr. F is saying. Slow, baby doses and pulsing is what is started out. Dr. F does not believe in herxing hard. I'll see him tomorrow and might get my first Ivermectin rx. Not looking forward to it either.....
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I herxed alot from the horse paste (for me - increased pain in neck, shoulders, & back). I'm trying the 4 days on, 3 days off suggested protocol (above). I do not think I have the Fry bug. I think I may have some kind of threadworm or hidden lungworm.
I took Parastroy for 6 months & felt alot better but I stopped for about a month & it all came back. The pain was pretty severe from the horse paste. I don't think it was the drug that was bad - it's the die off.
This is my 2nd day off & I'm feeling less pain but I still feel like I have a ways to go with this protocol. I read somewhere that fats make the Ivermectin more potent. Dr. Fry may have something else in mind in regards to his reasoning - like the biofilm issue.
I believe Ivermectin is a pretty broadspectrum drug. It treats alot of different bugs. I think the dosage may be an individual thing. It's going to require some experimentation. I really would have preferred to stick with the herbs but I don't think they are strong enough.
Also- I think the Ivermectin only kills adult worms. I've been taking ground cloves for the eggs. Some of us may need to address the issue of eggs...
Some of these bugs can remain dormant in the body for a long time. Some are actually hermaphroditic - so, if one worm is left - it can reproduce without a male...
Erradicating them is a long term project.
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Deb133. My daughter started Ivermectin in June, after five years of treatment. Two months into taking only 1/4 pill once a day, ALL old symptoms have come to the surface. We are talking symptoms not seen in 7-8 years.
My daugther cannot get above 1/4 pill dosage because her lymph glands are maxed out. She can't detox fast enough to keep up with the die off.
It really makes me think the antibiotics she was taking for the last five years were just supressing the bugs. I'm sure they killed off some things, but this Ivermectin is really, really hitting the main issue.
Last visit, Dr. F took some blood and he immediately went to his lab to look. The biofilm structures are breaking down due to the lowfat, vegan diet my daughter started last year. The organisms are covered in white blood cells. Her autoimmune resonse blood level has come back to positive. So, her immune system is working overtime.
This is doing something.
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Thanks for the info. I wish I took Ivermectin 15 years ago! It would have saved me alot of suffering & wasted time.
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We'll see. We are still in the "it's our last hope" stage. My daughter is really depressed.
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It sounds promising! We stopped Ivermectin after taking 1 per day for about 3 weeks because all of a sudden it appears she was having a horrible herx.
After about 10 days things have calmed down quite a bit and we will resume soon.
Anxious to have blood test. We drew blood sent it to Fry and then lo and behold we get a call that he cannot process blood drawn in NY....so now we are waiting for our LLMD appt which is in CT.
She has already started lo fat diet just anyway and I am hoping as well this whole protocol helps as she has been fighting for 3 years.
Many good weeks/months and then it hits the fan again and again.
Good luck and keep updating us on your daughter..
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I noticed similar with most anti-parasite protocols... the herb/drug takes time to build up in one's system & then there's a die-off, big herx, diarhea, etc.
With the horse paste it took about 4 days & then I took 3 days off. on day 7, I felt awful, diarhea, etc. I'm feeling better today but I am doing another round.
It's a process. I guess we just have to keep doing it. I'm not sure if these things ever go away for good.
Deb & kelmo - I realize you may be dealing with a different bug or approach but it seems similar to what I have experienced.
The drugs/herbs build up in the system over time & a die-off happens. Then, we have to get over the die-off & rebuild ourselves while still killing any eggs, larva, etc. that may still be in the body.
From what I have read - Ivermectin does not kill eggs or larva. I think it only kills one stage of the parasite & some of them have alot of different life stages. Their lifecycles can be quite complex.
If the eggs survive - they can just repopulate & you are back at square one, unfortunately.
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yes its a battle for sure...the strange thing tho when she did Dr. K's protocol last March after taking heavy doses of Ivermectin for 2 weeks she tolerated it quite well.
She had some post nasal drip and sinus stuff, brain fog but these past 8 or so days were horrible for her.
I'll be glad when we find out for sure if we're even dealing with Fry Bug or not.
Aleast this week she was able to go to school everyday and for that I am grateful.
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<From what I have read - Ivermectin does not kill eggs or larva. I think it only kills one stage of the parasite & some of them have alot of different life stages. Their lifecycles can be quite complex.
If the eggs survive - they can just repopulate & you are back at square one, unfortunately. >
That may be a good reason to pulse it. I told my daughter that perhaps she should try three weeks on, two weeks off. That would give it more than ten days to eliminated the toxins.
She said today that old symptoms she hasn't had in years are roaring back. Right now, it's intense sweating. She changes her clothes several times a day. She also says her palms are dripping constantly.
You're correct about it building up. Although she had an immediate reaction, it REALLY hit after a couple of months. She was completely non-functioning.
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I had a bad herx after taking the Ivermectin & praziquantel. It happened after taking it for 4 days on & 3 days off. On the 3rd day off - that's when it hit me. I think the ivermectin stays in your system for 4 days - that's what I read somewhere.
I'm back on herbs today. I think the parasites do build up a resistance to drugs or herbs. I'm pretty sensitive to the herbs & drugs. It usually happens pretty quickly that I get a die-off.
I dowse everything. That's how I tell when to switch them around... Seems to be working. The doctors I went to didn't have a clue so I had to deal with it on my own. It can get very expensive messing around with these parasites - tests & drugs and all.
The sweats sound like babesia. I never had that. May want to try some form of artemesia or quinine...? I think it's Rain-tree that has some different formulas, too. I dowsed them for myself & it was "no" at that time.
I also add about a 1/4 TBS of ground cloves about once a day. Gael uses the salt/C protocol, too. I always seem to get a "no" for that when I dowse it. Everyone is different.
Excedrin help me with the pain. I try to eat a bland diet. Lots of oatmeal, apples, bananas, rice, yogurt... Sometimes, my stomach gets pretty messed up. It's not fun.
Plain water enemas can help but I only do them if I really need to. It's good to get the toxic stuff out.
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