randibear
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just wanted to post again since we've got new people.
now some people believe in these foot detox pads and those ionic foot soaks.
they have been proven to be scams. i know that some will swear by them.
i too spent a small fortunte on the pads and baths. one woman was charging over 100 bucks for one foot treatment.
they did a show on tv on the news. it showed that if you put certain chemicals in water and then put your feet in you got the same effect.
also the pads were put in a heavy book and they said they got the same effect as being on your feet.
i would say not to waste your money. if you have tried them and swear by them, ok, but i didn't have much luck.
did you??
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lymeinhell
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I sure as heck swear by the patches, BUT, when I started using them (7 yrs ago), they weren't being sold by every Jim, Bob and Harry on eBay.
The difference in my quality of life once I began using them (daily, consecutively, for more than a year) was remarkable. My monthly herxes went from knocking me flat, so just being a little out of sorts and I could drive myself an hour to work and spend the entire day in the office.
As with most everything, you get what you pay for and need to be careful where and what you buy. So while I have no doubt there's lots of junk out there, there also are some quality products.
Just my 2 cents.
BTW: Foot baths can be dangerous if not done properly. Many places do not have the proper ventilation, so while all this stuff is being pulled out from your feet into the water, the fumes are being released from the water, into the air into your face. Which is like sharing a FIR sauna with someone - you're inhaling their toxins.
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I had started with ionic footbaths in July 2010 about 5 months after I started Lyme treatment. I had treatments every other week, then weekly for a few months then fell back to every other week around the holidays. I'm not sure what I really gained then.
In January I switched over to a Holistic Chiro for some alternative cold laser photon therapy and muscle testing, as well as an ionic footbath every week thru July. In March I had switched to a more agressive LLMD so there was a lot going on all at once.
The photon therapy was a combination of prescribed frequencies for Immune Support, Meridian Balance (like accupunture), Detox, Lymph drainage, and specific Freqs for Lyme and Co's.. all done on a rotating basis re-inforced with muscle testing responses.
I think all this as a minimum helped me detox. I know get photon detox and immune support treatments with an ionic footbath every 2 to 3 weeks for maintenance.
kidsgotlyme
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We have one and my whole family loves it!! We all can feel the difference when we do them.
My husband's water is a much darker brown than the rest of us. Brown is usually liver detoxification.
He was doing a foot bath last night and he all of a sudden got a sharp pain right in his liver.
I don't understand how it works, but I believe it really does.
$100 for one session is way too high. That's just ridiculous.
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I tried the foot pads once, the smell would have killed me (before putting them on)....
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I did an ionic FB study, with before, after and during chelation therapies. With no feet in the water, yes color changed but the amounts of metals in the lab results were negligible. On subject with known heavy metal toxicity 10 consuective foot bath sample were sent to KJML, with special instructions to vortex the collected sediment in each sample and run through certain auto analyzers, gas chromatograph, etc.
Results followed a bell shaped curve, the first few samples were very high in a aluminum, followed by increases in mercury as the aluminum load was reduced. Arsenic was present in all samples. All lab results were well above the EPA norms for water. I do not post results for obvious reasons.
several weeks ago I had a massive herx reaction and was astounded at the amount of metal in the sediment, if the chief tech was still at KJML I would have sent in my sample. I did the FB two days in row and both times enormous metal, have never seen that much come out of me but have on a known subject chelating with NDF!
herxes stir up metals for sure!
Hope this helps!
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Haley
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How in the heck do chunks of metal come out of your feet?
I've seen photos where there are big chunks floating in the water and people say that it is metals coming from the body.
Just saying.
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The metals come out in miscroscopic amounts and clump together due to the ionic charges, lighter metals by atomic wt such as aluminum, followed by Hg, Lead is the most difficult to get out, won't come out as much like Al and Hg.
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kidsgotlyme
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Thank you Dal123!! I just know it works, but you explained it very well from a scientific point.
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which brand are you using on the Foot Baths? and which detox pads are the best?
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Tricky Tickey
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I've never done this, but have thought about it. I don't know how to start, though.
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kidsgotlyme
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You should be able to find someone in your area who offers the service. Where I live, I can do one foot bath for about $25.
If you like it, you can buy one for about $1200. I got mine cheaper, but I think this is the cost of most of them.
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randibear
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i used health marvels's foot detox pads. if you just type that in search you'll find them.
they have the best price and i had good luck with them. shipping was fast and i always received what i ordered.
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I would not waste money on the foot baths. The salt they add to the water reacts with the metal plates in the water causing the color changes.
If you feel better, fine, but it is a placebo effect.
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actually it depends on which area u live in and the water consistency. in Dallas we have to add salt to bring the amperage up to 2.5, if low amp ionization won't work as well, If u do this in the Houston area, salt is not needed to bring amperage up. Interestingly enough the Houston ionic baths look different from the Dallas baths, regional toxicity and petrochemicals in theHouston area give it different color and smell. we tested three different manufacturers, my Dad was an engineer and he found that reducing the water surface area increase ionization, so we put a plastic bag over the footpath container to a certain area, hard to explain in writing as we "eyeballed" it and worked through it. the salt in itself is not responsible solely for the water color changes, basically go by HOW u FEEL, is the stress reduced, inflammation, etc.
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Sorry, typing via an iPad which is self correcting and is causing some misspelling!
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Sorry, typing via an iPad which is self correcting and is causing some misspelling!
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ukcarry
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Somewhere on the Net is a comparison chart of the different makes of footbath: they are not all equal. If you want to try one out at a clinic, it would be a good idea to check the brand of machine first on the chart. I seem to remember that Scott F may know more about where to find this.
I have owned one for several years, although it's on semi-permanent loan to a friend at the moment. I quite enjoy the experience of using it [it's not one of the recommended machines], although I wouldn't like to make claims for its efficacy.
It is true that the water will colour if you run it even without your feet in the bowl, but it is also true that the water can go radically different colours for different people or for the same person on different occasions [eg pale gold, orange brown, almost black]. Sometimes it is more 'sludgy' than others in consistency too.
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Catgirl
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Wow, I saw this on the news last week. It was a total scam. The water turned brown from rust which emitted from some electrode thing that was in the water. Maybe if you google it you will find it.
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lyme in hell which brand of foot pads are you using?
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nonna05
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Kid takers, foot pads, My God isn't there enough against us now??
Please will all Buggy_ Bug stuff just stay away.
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At this point I think people are aware that the water changes color even if you don't put your feet in. The reason for that has been explained in this thread. That means nothing at this point.
I was very skeptical of the footbaths since I had heard that they were a scam. BUT my LLMD has one that people can use ($30-$35 per session) and recommended that I try it.
I have had 5 sessions over the last couple months and I have to say that I don't know exactly what they do but they definitely do SOMETHING because I feel SO awful after each one.
So for me they are definitely doing something because they make me feel so lousy afterwards.
Also I did read online that a doctor or someone did test the water after running the machine with feet and without feet and the results were definitely different with feet. They posted the results. Can't remember where that was now. If you google it you might find it.
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Scam snake oil, Inside Edition just did a segment on this scam today:
But Dr. Stephen Barrett, M.D. told INSIDE EDITION that the device cannot possibly draw toxins through the feet.
So we bought our own foot bath unit and had it tested by Steven Fowler, an electrical engineer.
Fowler tested the device in his lab in South Carolina and quickly discovered what's changing the water color. "Everything you see here is just rust," Fowler said, gesturing to a tub of the brown water.
Fowler said inside the "array" that is placed in the water are just two metal electrodes with a positive and negative current. When introduced to salt water, a chemical process called electrolysis takes place and causes the electrodes to rust at an extremely rapid rate.
"This is nothing more than two pieces of metal rusting," Fowler said. "This has nothing to do with toxins. It is just a simple chemistry experiment."
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Dal123...my doc has the IonCleanse machine. Not sure why I feel bad after them but I always do. In fact I haven't done one in almost 3 weeks now because I decided to take a break.
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