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I am concerned that I have done too much photon therapy. I am using nosodes but I am not good at testing myself with what to use, how long, etc. Plus, my brain is so slow and foggy - its hard to know what going on. I feel I have seriously gone downhill since I started this treatment but I am hoping it is just a die off reaction and I will bounce back. I have not used the light in 2 weeks but whatever reaction I had is not getting better regardless what binders I take, detox stuff, etc. Has anyone else had this type of experience with the photon therapy? Any suggestions? This is my first post on this site or any Lyme site so I'm not sure if I have done it correctly.
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How many treatments did you do? How long?
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Can you better explain what happened? What treatment were you doing before you started photon therapy? What are your infections? Symptoms?
When did you start using the PE1 and how often were you doing the therapy? How many minutes on each acupuncture point, what strength and frequency, which nosodes etc. How long was it before you began to feel you were having a reaction?
What is happening? More experienced people can help you. I am just starting but would like to better understand your experience.
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I have been using the PE-1 since August almost daily unless I had a strong reaction or felt really weird. I used it in direct mode on acupuncture points for about 15 seconds on each point, intensity level 2. I am pretty sensitive to almost everything so I stayed at a low level. I would have occasional reactions like increased brain fog, fatigue, etc. and then I would take a break for a day or two. I have mainly been using it with virus nosodes before I started Lyme nosodes. This last reaction I got like a burning sensation in my head that was really scary, hasn't totally cleared up yet. Severe brain problems, (can't coordinate, drive, think, etc) can sit or stand and do nothing for a long time and not even know it. Have a huge increase in pain all over, shortness of breath, depression, anxiety, feel sorta drunk all the time, dizzy, loss of balance, etc. Has anyone ever experienced something like this? I am fearful to use the light again until this clears up a bit because I can't imagine it getting worse but want to push through it if I need to?
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Why you didn't start with borrelia nosodes?
Just to understand what is happening...
And you can stand 15 seconds in each point in direct mode?
It would have sent me to the moon, like I got a continuous electric shock...
I think it disrupts the autonomic nervous system in direct mode, at least for me.
You know, I think I woulnd't use nosodes of anything else before clearing borrelia first.
For healthy people, no problem. They catch a cold, they can use virus nosodes, saliva nosodes, blood nosodes, catarrh nosodes...
Guys with AIDS and borrelia, I wouldn't do that, unless you are a skillful energy tester or have someone to do that...
Just my feeling.
When Borrelia wrecks your immune system to the point of collapse (at least it did to me), not attacking it first, in my opinion, is not very 'wise', unless you do another order of treatment for a clear purpose.
Dr. W. treats lyme patients attacking borrelia first. The rest of the treatment comes later.
I felt terribly bad only using direct mode for 1-2 seconds per point, with my borrelia nosodes. It was like taking a painful injection, I only did that for the 2 minutes (direct mode) because I couldn't find any other way to 'take' the nosodes otherwise. --------------
So, these are the possible problems I see:
- direct mode overuse, too often, too long
- not killing what should be killed first (disruption of the pathogenic environment??)
Even with other treatments (herbs, abx, whatever) there seems to be an order to follow: from the big to the small, or from coinfections to borrelia and so on. I guess it's not different for photons (except that it attacks borrelia first).
I would though add that parasites should be treated first. Just to do things safer...
- photons are exciting other pathogens or parasites (that can't be killed by photons) and these should be addressed first
- photons are anyway mobilizing toxins (heavy metals is a big thing!!) and you are not taking the right binders or not taking them in the right amounts
- photons are killing the virus, but the binders you take are not the good ones
These are somehow what comes to my mind...
For the moment, I would stop using the machine!
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What you are experiencing sounds exactly like babesia, not a herx to borrelia.
Sheryl says photon therapy will not take care of babesia - hopefully when you address bart and borrelia, babesia will not have such a grip and the body will be able to suppress it.
However there are others that believe the PE1 can help with babesia. I don't think there are any nosodes made for it but blood would work, although you should not attempt that now because it would overwhelm you. Wait until you get the other infections under control.
It often happens in traditional therapies that when you suppress borrelia another infection will emerge to take over. This might be what is happening with you. When you went after the borrelia with the PE1 nosodes, babesia came to the forefront.
I asked about treating babesia with something else while I was treating the borrelia and bart with nosodes and the PE1, and was told it would probably be ok. You could try something to keep babesia in check, like A-Bab, creytolepis or artemesinin.
I actually had just started a three day course of Coartem when the PE1 arrived so my first three days of using it, I was taking drugs for babesia. I did not experience any problems but I didn't do nosodes the first two days. Since then I have not used anything else.
As the PE1 used on acupuncture points stimulates endorphins which boost the immune system and helps with pain, I think it would probably be ok to use it without the nosodes on a daily basis. Others with more experience may disagree.
I used the nosodes daily for three days and did not have a reaction like others experienced but I did decide to not use the nosodes every day just to be safe. I will continue to hit my acupuncture points with it though and to treat my brain - without nosodes of course - on a near daily basis.
What you can tolerate, I think depends on how sick you are when you start using the device. I was doing pretty good so my body did not have such a massive load to deal with.
You might try pulsing it on the F frequency. Then you might be able to tolerate it at a higher strength - over time. It could be the Direct is just too much for you.
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Dr. W had us use it twice a week ONLY for three weeks, then a month off. He said the time off was equally important to the time treating. It takes time for the photons to work.
He also, as mentioned above, treats borrelia FIRST. I'm wondering if your going downhill might be the borrelia coming out since it's not being treated at all.
From the people I've talked to, I haven't seen that the photons are extremely effective on viruses. It works great on borrelia.
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quote:Originally posted by nefferdun: Sheryl says photon therapy will not take care of babesia - hopefully when you address bart and borrelia, babesia will not have such a grip and the body will be able to suppress it.
However there are others that believe the PE1 can help with babesia. I don't think there are any nosodes made for it but blood would work, although you should not attempt that now because it would overwhelm you.
This is consistent with my experience. My babesia resolved with tonic water once the borrelia was taken care of.
The borrelia nosodes by Deseret Biologicals have babesia in them.
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quote:Originally posted by keikko: I have been using the PE-1 since August almost daily unless I had a strong reaction or felt really weird.
Yikes!!!! With nosodes?
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I started with viruses because thats what I was told to do. I do feel borrelia, babesia, or bartonella are active but I can't really treat them because I do think I should use the light for a while and I am not using any other method of treatment.
A few days ago I decided I needed some direction with all this stuff because I can sometimes test myself for what I need but the sicker I get the worse I am at it.
I found a practitioner who uses frequency medicine who said she would help me. When I saw her she said the lyme and bartonella were active (dont have babesia nosodes)and I had cleared the other vials I had. She also said not to run anymore frequenies on my body-too weak.
However, she did want to run a frequecy on me to balance the other stuff but I was scared so I told her not today, I go back on tuesday. She uses a laser for this which is probablly totally different than photons and I'm not sure I wanna do it but it could help and it could hurt.
I wounder if her using whatever kind of frequency work she uses could mess up what ive already done. I think she pulls a frequency off of you and then somehow runs the opposite frequency into you. I know, sounds weird.
I was happy she was open to all of my stuff because not all practitioners would be; however, I don't know that she fully understands what its about. She did seem accurate on her ability to test though.
My goal in seeing her was just to find someone near me who was experienced with ART and could guide me with what I should be using in reagrds to supplements and the light because I know this changes all the time and I am overdoing it obviously.
When I do start using the light again I will take your advice and use it on F mode for just a couple seconds, start with borrelia vials and use it once a week or every two weeks. When I should do this is unclear to me.
I was happy to find this site and read some of the posts. It was inspiring to hear how well some of you are doing! It also made me realize I was doing to much, too fast, for too long.
I have learned the hard how powerful this treatment is which is amazing really. I don't know that I understood this before I started.
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Laser would be muuch weaker, you can be sure. I had tried that as I have my own laser home and the adapter that goes with it (for using homeopathics). It is very weak in comparison.
Let's say, weak for the homeopathic message, strong for the 'feeling wired'...
I don't know how to explain, but I feel that borrelia nosodes taken by laser will do very little against borrelia (limited effect), but will make me feel like I got an electric shock and feel weird...
I hope she can help you out.
It could be babesia too, but I wonder if it wouldn't be wiser to start with borrelia nosodes first (or parasite cleanse), but not in any order. Just my feeling...
The practioner can know laser and may think infra red act the same way. In no way it is true, by my own experience.
Ingested homeopathics, homeopathics through laser, iv homeopathics, these are all very different from homeopathics through photons.
I have been using homeopathic stuff for more than a decade on a very frequent base. And even before, but not weekly.
Does she do ART or any other type of energy test? ART practioners learned from dr. K or from his followers and I guess, they are usually on track for finding basic problems (even though most don't know about infrared and nosodes).
They would be great help for anyone, in my opinion. Photon and homeopathy will deal with only the infectious part of your health, the rest, you got to get help somewhere!
If yes, follow her for a while and see if she can take you off the mess. I suspect herxes. Mine were similar to what you describe:
- difficulty breathing - fast heart beat, or stronger heart beats without sense - extreme fatigue - extreme anxiety - heavy legs - pain in liver, kidney area - GI tract gets in trouble, or painful... - my body even got paralysed once - extreme brain fog - chills, very cold sometimes to the point of feeling I was going to freeze
My babesia symptoms were: - flushes, variation of temperature either in a day or night, or face got hot sometimes (other times, it was blank, like white, no color) - extreme fatigue, long hours sleeping - extreme brain fog - depression, feeling out of myself, not myself - crying for no reason, or behaving like an actress and not being able to stop the behavior - total memory loss (no immediate memory) - low ferritin the whole time (every 3 mnths I needed iron injections, like a clock, despite loads of iron ingested) - air hunger too - feeling of desperation, being lost to infections
Yes, they overlap... but air hunger was clearly a herx symptom for me too. Long after my babesia was gone, it kept coming after killers and going after cleaners, that is why I know.
Good luck and hopefully you will feel better soon!!
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Thanks for the feedback. Yes she does do ART testing so hopefully she can help me figure out where to go from here. I don't that she understands photons though but she seems open so that good.
I have alot of your same symptoms Brussels describing your bad herx and many of the babesia you listed also so its hard to know.
I have never experieced a reaction that has weeks - not really easing up so its been challenging. Usually if I backed off on something, things would clear up in a few days.
As far cleaners I am taking living clay, activated charcoal, molybdenum, IMD, L citrulline and juicing greens-i took chlorella today but I dont think I tolerate it that well. Any other suggestions would be great?
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