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randibear
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i take alot of vitamins and probiotics.

my bp is still spiking. today it reached about 145 over 90, then gradually will start going down.

it's been like this since i had the bronchitis and pneumonia.

but could it be related to the vitamins and probiotics? the severe headache starts a couple of hours after taking them.

i am not on abx and haven't been for over a week or so. i would think any side effects or herx symptoms would be gone.

coincidence or lyme or heart issues? this is so screwly lately.

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What is your normal bp?

My husband's bp tends to bp what they call high normal - 140's/ 90's - and at doctor's offices will be higher.

He gets out of taking meds by bringing a bp record from home to a new doctors visit.

His bp tends to go up when he feels worse and come down as he feels better.

It also began to come down when he switched to using celtic sea salt instead of RealSalt.

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that's just it. i really don't have a "normal" bp.

most of the time i would say it runs 115-125 and the bottom number 80 to 100.

when i see a doctor it skyrockets. white coat syndrome.

i've had bad headaches so maybe that could cause the spiking. i understand when you're in pain, it goes up.

i'm about out of diovan and nadolol, so a visit to the doc may be in order again.

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The headaches can be the RESULT of high BP and/or of high heart rate.

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Our LLMD said high bp can be the symptom of one of the co-infections (I've forgotten which one) High bp has been one of his issues from way back when he first got sick.

He's not on bp meds for quite awhile now. For him the feeling bad comes first, then the bp goes up.

He's been using vitamins and supplements for 10 years - we have done trial and error with some and others have remained as regular daily supplements.

He has quite a list of them and decided not to change anything when he started abx. Except add more probiotics.

His bp has been very good for him - in a doctor's office - at all his LLMD visits. The nurse said something about it being a little high - we asked for the numbers and immediately rejoiced at how good they were! I think the top was only in the 160's or so.

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"Top only in the 160s or so" .....that's still seriously high. [Frown] Mine has been there too so I know. MannaMe, are you sure you have that right?
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that's my question also. The top number should be below 130 at least that's what my doc said.

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The 'top number' can get elevated when you are stressed, or have been running around. Or when you are dehydrated. Was your stomach a mess when you were sick? Did you spend a lot of time in bed when you were sick?

But a healthy individual that has rested quietly for 5 minutes before testing will have a top number no higher than 120 and bottom number no higher than 80. If you are not stressed, there will typically be 40 pts between the 2.

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Randi,

About four hours before posting this question, you said that you

"actually struggled, yes struggled, through 15 minutes on my elliptical today. i was breathing so hard when i finished i was gasping for air." (end quote)

THAT can explain a lot about STRESS and the effect on blood pressure.

Articles and videos in the tread below explain a lot about blood pressure irregularities for those with conditions that involve chronic fatigue. Support methods are also discussed.

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http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=077325;p=0#000000

Topic: To everyone with CARDIAC symptoms please read!

THREE HOUR VIDEO MD lecture series (free).

Not specifically about lyme but very relevant &
addresses many of the cardiac issues of those with Chronic Fatigue diagnoses.

The sympathetic and the parasympathetic nervous systems are discussed - and how they affect the heart and blood pressure.

Other good detail about support supplements like CoQ10, d-Ribbose, etc.

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The links below were presented to the CFS/CFIDS community. While some (many?) cases of CFS might be undiagnosed lyme, this information may be helpful to patients across the board.

Even if from lyme, it helps us understand how better to take care of ourselves while seeking treatment/resolution.

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You can watch the video - for free if you have fast speed internet.

www.cfids-cab.org/MESA/CFS_Dist.htm

More recently, physicist, physician, long-time ME/CFS researcher and clinician, and heart-transplant recipient Paul Cheney, M.D., Ph.D., has offered an alternative theory that a subset of ME/CFS patients suffer from a

diastolic cardiomyopathy, a problem with ventricular filling resulting from mitochondrial dysfunction and low ATP energy in the heart.

VIDEO: A three-hour talk by Dr. Cheney on diastolic cardiomyopathy and ME/CFS.

"CFS and Diastolic Cardiomyopathy" - Paul Cheney, M.D., Ph.D.

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www.cfids-cab.org/MESA/Lerner.html

New Research on Cardiac Insufficiency

There are links to TWENTY articles on this topic at this link. Among those:

Hawthorn extract for treating chronic heart failure: meta-analysis of randomized trials.

Am J Med. 2003 Jun 1;114(8):665-74. [PDF Format]

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There is new research from a New Jersey team, authored by Doctors Arnold Peckerman, Benjamin Natelson et al., which found left-ventricular dysfunction following exertion and orthostatic stress in patients with myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome. . . .

. . . In an NIH-funded study on impedance cardiography also linked . . . , Peckerman and Natelson found that low cardiac output correlated with symptom severity in ME/CFS. . . .

EXERCISE INTOLERANCE - MANY links about this in that thread. Just one reference from those:
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Dr. A. Martin Lerner: " . . . Viral infection persists in the heart, causing left-ventricular dysfunction, producing exercise intolerance.

. . . "Exercise, in turn, worsens the cardiac dysfunction. "

- Lerner has seven articles at this link.
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The top number in the 160's was very good for someone with "White Coat Syndrome" in a doctor's office..... being stressed by carsickness getting to the Dr. AND having all those stairs to climb!

So yes, his bp was very good considering everything.

Its not that high normally..... normal for him ranges from high 120's to low 140's. Since it came down to that level he hasn't been keeping daily records anymore.

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Licorice root extract, often taken for fatigue, and to support adrenal glands, can raise blood pressure. So can caffiene.
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Lymeinhell.

I thought if you're dehydrated, the pressue will fall??

I have low blood pressure and that's due to low electrolytes and minerals I think.

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Chootik - just the opposite. Chronic Dehydration causes high blood pressure.

http://www.naturalnews.com/007977.html

Essentially when the body is lacking water, it attempts to hold on to the available water supplies by resorting to vascular constriction throughout the body. This helps reduce the loss of water through the skin and through respiration. And by doing so, it helps conserve the remaining water in the body.

So if you want to avoid this response to dehydration, just drink a lot of water. This will hydrate your body and lower blood pressure without any negative side effects. Be careful to avoid hydrating yourself with other drinks that are actually dehydrating in nature. Those would include soft drinks, coffee, sports drinks, and basically any drink containing sugar, such as processed orange drinks.


Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/007977.html#ixzz1f6ljwCQd

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Hi Julie.

Thank you so much for the info. It def. makes sense, except when I drink my Electrolylte Water (It's really good called "Endure" with no sugar or other stuff) my blood pressure actually goes up.

The nurse at the doc's office said if my pressure is low I could be dehydrated. But as you said when I'm on my feet and doing errands and stuff my pressure starts rising, I thought it could be adrenals or something. As soon as I eat it's better but if I just drink water it doesn't help much. Either way I know I'm dehydrated so must be that.

I will look at the link you sent me and see what is says..

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