kam
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When I am able to sleep, I fall asleep on the couch with the tV on.
Most of the time I wake up at some point and turn the TV off.
It is rare I wake up and am able to go to my bed to sleep. The hight pitch sound in my ears keeps me awake.
I take glycine (2 pills), a generic sleeping med, mag, and gabapentin (2 pills)
It was not until the gabapentin was added that I started sleeping.
I have tried not taking gaba or the sleeping pill or the gylcine when I run out of these things.
I don't sleep. I need all 3
I also wake up with head stuff that is too much.
Taking excedrin helps that. And the body is in pain. Excedrin helps that a bit.
The reason I am posting is I am wondering if I changed the combo of meds if it might help avoid that head stuff and hung over feeling.
But, not sure what to do..sleep is the number one priority.
I have never been a drinker so not sure if this is what it is like to have hang over. But, I do call it that.
I also am always dehydrated. I can't seem to get eno0ugh water in me.
I have come a long way from where I was 10 yrs ago, but still have a long way to go.
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kam
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Saw this head line about how to stay asleep all night and wake up refreshed but not able to read it yet...
...so posting it here. Hoping I will be able to come back and read it later.
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kam
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One thing I considered is starting to take the sleeping combo later in the evening.
It is tricky. Sometimes I don't fall asleep for 2 hours after taking the combo.
Other times, I fall asleep at 8 and wake up at 4 am.
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Keebler
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- Neurontin (Gabapentin) caused that "hang-over" effect for me - even a tiny doses, several tries, with time apart.
More magnesium had the desired effect though, as that is the best NMDA calming agent for me, working similarly to Gabapentin.
As Gabapentin is processed through the kidneys, you may need more water all during the day, and even before bed, too. That "hang over" can be from liver or kidney stress and from dehydration.
Since we take so much, we need more water to help our organs of detoxification.
A typical "hang over" is from chemical stress to those organs, often in an exhausted body - AND dehydration from that chemical assault and putting the body into overdrive,against its natural instincts.
Lyme also causes a toxic chemical assault, so do many Rx and even some supplements (and even foods need to be metabolized and that is hard work for the body) - particularly if there is not enough water in the body at all times.
But some drugs tend to chemically depress our brain more than others, causing a two-pronged "hang-over" effect.
For me, Gabapentin was a strong depressant to my brain, way too strong to the near point of suicide. Magnesium is not.
Different support methods may help.
Melatonin an hour before what bed time is supposed to be can also help calm pain.
Corydalis can help calm pain. (Link in thread below).
It's hard for so many humans to do in this age, but most sleep experts insist on turning down the lights an hour before bed (TV off, etc.). More detail about that - and many other things that might help - in this thread to consider:
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I would think that cutting out the excedrin if possible would absolutely cut that hungover feeling a bit. It's about the acetametophen.
It's terrible for Lyme patients. The liver can't handle toxins w/ it simultaneously.
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- Andrographis has helped bring down tinnitus so that I can sleep better. But, it's is short supply and often just out of stock by many of the outlets.
Some brands work better for me than others. Still, you can search and find some that are available now.
Nothing else helped as much as that.
Also, even if you have trouble sleeping, I think it's really important to go to bed at bedtime, even if daydreaming all night long, it teaches the body where it should be and at least may entice a sense of rejuvenation and habit.
Good luck. -
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kam
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Thx. I am thinking of trying to cut down on the gabapentin and increase the mag to see if that helps.
I, too, considered that being dehydrated all the time might have something to do with it.
I will also drink more water right before bed time.
i drink water all throughout the day but know I still need to get more in me.
And I did not know that andrographis helps with the ringing in the ears.
I think I have some here. That might explain why it is so much louder at some times than others...I did not take it that day or took less.
Which brand worked best for you Keebler?
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I just wanted to tell you that I have high pitched ringing in my ears too so I have to sleep with a fan on. Maybe you can try that?
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kam - the hangover feeling brought me to this thread because that is how I used to describe how I woke up when we were being poisoned by toxic mold.
Then, I read your description of the dehydration, never being able to get enough water. That is also a symptom of mold illness that I am very familiar with too. Dr. S talks about this in depth in his book "Surviving Mold"
ask Tammy N. - I hope she chimes in here. This was one thing that led her to take a serious look at mold as a major factor.
My son was so weak, we had to set up chairs every 10 feet so he could rest. He had a wheelchair for going to the doctor's and that was the only thing he left the house for. He did not attend even one day of 6th grade.
Four days out of that house and he was playing again. We have been out for 8 months now and he is thriving.
Still dealing with Lyme, Bart, Babesia with herbs, but he has NO SYMPTOMS! Getting away from the mold gave him his life back! Mold is a bigger deal then many would like to believe.
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kam
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I sure hope there is not mold in the apartment i am living in.
There was a water leak in the shower which I discovered due to the black mold that showed up.
My health did go south and I didn't realize it was the mold until after the leak was fixed.
It was only about two spots showing through about the size of a dime..who would have thunk it.
I do want to look into mold as I know I was exposed at a house I was living in and also at work.
But, I was doing much better then and still able to work and function.
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Water doesn't satisfy my thirst either, but if I add about 1/4 tsp of Himalayan salt it does help.
I can always tell when I'm dehydrated, aside from the thirst, because my fingertips are wrinkled then.
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kam
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I have not tried himalayan salt. I do add sea salt at time.
It is so weird how many symptoms we have...wrinkled finger tips..whewph.
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kam
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It appears drinking water when I wake up in the middle of the night is helping with this hang over feeling.
This is very good. I hope it continues. The plan is to make sure I get enough water in me during the day and start sleeping through the night.
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Kam, it's wonderful that you found that drinking more water has helped you. And for what it's worth, since I have been doing RBTI I always find it interesting when someone says that drinking either more or less water has improved their symptoms in some way or the other. And in my opinion, it would be intersting to see what your "numbers" are via RBTI testing.
I say this because in the world of RBTI, when people have either elevated urinary brix/sugars/carbohydrates, and/or elevated urinary salts and/or elevated ureas then they will often find that drinking more water will help them to feel better because the extra water will help to dilute and flush the excess sugar, salt and ureas from their body.
But on the other hand, also in the world of RBTI, when people have either LOW urinary brix/sugars/carbohydrates and/or low urinary salts and/or low urinary ureas then they will often find that drinking more water will make them feel WORSE because the extra water can cause the sugar, salt and urea levels to drop even further.
So, I guess drinking extra water may be an example of "one man's cure being another man's poison".
And personally, I have found a refractometer to be helpful in determining how much water I should drink and when I should drink it.
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kam, I do think momlyme has a good lead on a possibility for you. During a hospital visit, I recall watching a program about a woman who was practically on her death bed; told to go home and enjoy the last Christmas with her family because the doctors couldn't figure out what was causing respiratory issues. And, they finally discovered they had a serious mold problem in the house. No one understood how she was the only who was sick, until they discovered she has (or is missing) a gene that interacts with fungal spores causing her to get ill.
On a personal note, I dealt with the hangover feeling for two exhausting years, and the feeling of the being dehydrated. I'm willing to bet your electrolyte panel is completely normal too. That's what the doctors said whenever I explained that, and I was serious drinker before so I know what a hangover feels like. Imagine my astonishment when I got one every morning even though I'm now sober for 2 years.
It took a really long time, but it's much better now. I had some recent bloodwork discoveries that may explain better soon, but it could have something to with high iron saturation in my blood, robbing the cells of oxygen. I discovered foods that made me feel worse, so I cut those out. I also keep a bottle of water next to me at all times. And, I don't drink anything but water and the occasional green tea. No exceptions for the last 3 months.
Twist your tongue and feel your cheeks with your tongue. Do you feel a large line running down the side of your cheeks? When I'm feeling worse, the indent in my cheeks is much larger.
Anyway, most important is sleep. Sleep has been the thing that truly helped me overcome this. Hope you continue to make progress, kam!
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momlyme
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Wolfed Out - I have that line down my cheeks. It is better now... but still faintly there.
Do you think this is from inflammation?
I have been taking a lot of Japenese Knowtweed and this seems to get rid of this line on my cheeks... just trying to figure out if this is what is helping.
I also started taking doxy after new years... first time on abx ever! and I think I have had Lyme all my life. I am feeling much better... so maybe this is why this symptom is going away.
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