Maya12
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Just wondering if diflucan can treat lyme? I was on it a while back for about 5 months for candida and felt better but then felt worse and my doc switched me to sporonox as he didn't think the diflucan was working for the yeast anymore. So I was wondering how or whether diflucan treats lymes and if it made me feel worse after a while could this have been a herx and I didn't know it rather than candida getting worse?
Also can having candida be caused by lyme? I have diagnosed candida but undiagnosed lyme can lyme cause systemic candida . Ie before lyme diagnosis occurs?
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Carol in PA
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Dr. Fritz Schardt in Germany has a protocol to treat Lyme.
Quote: Eleven patients with neuro-borreliosis had been treated with 200 mg fluconazole daily for 25 days after an unsuccessful therapy with antibiotics.
At the end of treatment eight patients had no borreliosis symptoms and remained free of relapse in a follow-up examination one year later. In the remaining four patients, symptoms were considerably improved.
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Yes, some use it for Lyme, but I still say the problem is the Candida that people think they don't have!!!
and yes, having lyme sets you up for candida because lyme suppresses the immune system, allowing the yeast to take over
I had diagnosed with candida before being dxd with Lyme, but the lyme had been there for years and years.
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Maya12
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So if I had used diflucan for like 4 months does that mean it would have killed off the lyme and I wouldn't have it now? Or could I have been herxing and stopped it too soon only to allow the lymes to get worse? Or I guess if the diflucan killed the lyme I could still have co infections. Now I don't know what to think
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Maya12
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I guess too that those patients in that study treated with diflucan could have been much better than myself after all the antibiotic treatments or I guess for them after the antibiotics the diflucan could have just cured the candida. Is there any evidence out there that diflucan specifically treats lyme or is it more that it just treats the candida subsequent to lyme? Anyone know?
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quote:Originally posted by Maya12: [QB] So if I had used diflucan for like 4 months does that mean it would have killed off the lyme and I wouldn't have it now?
- VERY VERY doubtful!!! Lyme is NOT easily cleared!!! I would say you felt better because you had (or HAVE) yeast.
Stay on a good diet because once REAL Lyme treatment begins, the candida will rear its ugly head again. (bigtime)
In my opinion, there is no real evidence that Diflucan kills lyme.
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- The same author had two different diflucan protocols -
One of those also used penicillin shots - and repeated the protocol as many times as necessary.
Or maybe the write up of this by another author just failed to include the fact that Penicillin shots were crucial to the success of Diflucan.
It was not just a one time approach. Even the author, himself, had to go through several combined courses (Diflucan & Penicillin shots) over time.
Diflucan can be very hard on the liver. If you did not take liver support when on it, that could also explain why later you feel worse. Next time you take it, be sure to take Milk Thistle or other liver support (but timed away from Rx).
This is all complex beyond belief. You should first be assessed to see what is going on. Let a LLMD doctor do their job.
But, as you say you've had candida, it's especially important for you to be on a special diet and to be on some kind of anti-fungal agent BEFORE you would take any antibiotics and all during.
In addition to the Rx antifungals, you might consider Olive Leaf Extract. SEAGATE is the best. Others do not even come close. Just Google. -
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Maya12
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Hey lymetoo thanks for the info that is basically what I was thinking about the diflucan. I see how even if diflucan does treat lyme I wasn't on it that long . Also I thought the main treatments for lyme were antibiotics. It seems too that untreatible candida could be from lyme. Also I read through dr. B's 2008 protocol and I didn't see any mention of diflucan to treat lyme. Hey lymetoo if you had candida before lyme but it got worse with lyme is it now gone. I can't get my candida to go no matter what I do
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- Maya,
Is there a way you could add some space to your posts? I'm trying to stay here with you but cannot if the posts continue to be solid text blocks.
Some others here, too, would be able to supply more answers for you with space breaks in the posts.
Thanks for considering this. -
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quote:Originally posted by Maya12: Also I thought the main treatments for lyme were antibiotics.
- Exactly my point.
No, I've been finished with Lyme treatment for 7 yrs and still have yeast. It was OK for awhile and now it's bad again.
Be vigilant with the diet and take heavy doses of high quality probiotics, such as:
VSL#3
Theralac
Ultimate Flora
etc
Take a minimum of 100 billion CFU's per day.
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Maya12
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Thanks lymetoo and sorry keebler I will space things out.thanks for your help
And sounds like 4 months of diflucan and now sporonox which is what I am on now only treat fungus and yeast not lyme
Really appreciate you guys clarifying this for me
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Carol in PA
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quote:Originally posted by Maya12: Is there any evidence out there that diflucan specifically treats lyme or is it more that it just treats the candida subsequent to lyme? Anyone know?
There is an interview with Dr. Schardt and he explains how the Diflucan stops the Lyme bacteria.
JN: Tell me your reasoning as to why diflucan might work in chronic lyme.
FS: There are several reasons. First of all, it inhibits an enzyme called cytochrome P450.
This is an enzyme that your liver uses to detoxify chemicals and drugs. Borrelia has a very primitive P450 defense, so if you inhibit it, it is easily weakened.
Therefore I believe that diflucan inhibits the growth and replication of borrelia. It does not necessarily kill it. In addition, it penetrates well into the cells and into the nervous system and brain, where borrelia may hide.
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Maya12
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Will a medication like sporonox which is another antifungal do the same thing? And it sounds like diflucan will control lyme but not get rid of it is this correct? And I was only on diflucan not any antibiotics. Could the dyflucan alone have killed the lyme or just suppressed it a bit and once off diflucan it flourishes again?
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Maya, Flucanazole (Diflucan) doesn't "treat" the Lyme by itself. My LLMD said it helps put the spirochetes in a stressed state so that they're more susceptible to the antibiotics.
It's "intra-cellular", so it affects all the B.B. that are hiding in cells, though there are always tissue pokets distant from any circulatory blood vessels. This is why exercise & "capillary clearers", like bromelain (taken on an EMPTY stomach), are so useful for better tissue penetration.
Dr. Schardt (Germany) believes in the 1, 2 punch of weeks of Diflucan followed by 4 weeks of a "cell-wall antibiotic" like pennicillun.
But his prescription for an adult is often for 200mg per Day of the flucanazole, which Can be very hard on the liver, though each person's tolerance is different.
My LLMD had me take just the 100 mg dose every few days ALONG WITH amoxicillun, & that worked well for ME.
Like with azithromycin (Zithromax), flucanazole isn't good at "knocking out" Lyme, only as a component of a carefully planned Lyme protocol.
And an experienced LLMD is the best planner for you. (I guess that's why they get the big bucks, huh?)
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