momintexas
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I was told that Band 41 can be triggered by H Pylori.
Can anyone share their symptoms with it? I know what all of the stomach/gastro type of symptoms are, but have any of you had other symptoms triggered by this as well?
Thanks for sharing.
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The only diseases known to be caused by H pylori are peptic ulcer disease: either gastric ulcers or duodenal ulcers. If you are asking if H pylori can cause disease in other parts of the body which would manifest in other symptoms, the answer is no.
Gastric ulcers occur in the lining of the stomach, and duodenal ulcers occur in the duodenum, which is the uppermost section of the small intestine. Both types of ulcers may be caused by H pylori, but there are other possible causes.
Symptoms of an ulcer caused by H pylori would be the same as ulcers caused by other conditions. These symptoms can vary depending on the severity of the ulcer and depending on the location of the ulcer.
I won't go over all the symptoms of peptic ulcers since you say you are already familiar with them. There are no other symptoms associated with H pylori.
Do you have concerns about a WB or the significance of band 41? This is a band that is not specific for Lyme, this is true. A positive result at band 41 indicates presence of a protein found in the flagella of many types of bacteria, Lyme being just one of those.
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momintexas
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I can't shake the feeling that something is being overlooked.
Band 41 shows up every time and I can't help but think there's something to it.
Someone mentioned h pylori can trigger Band 41 also, so that's why I was inquiring.
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Lymeorsomething
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If you have HP, treat it well. It becomes very resistant to abx. So you have to use a 3 to 4 drug protocol to have a good chance of knocking it out. For lymies who have used abx extensively already, it may be more difficult to eradicate.
I would disagree with Maryland Mom. I don't think HP symptoms are limited to the gut. There are still some unknowns in this area. HP has been known to affect iron levels and hormone levels, particularly GH secretion.
So if you have it, treat it well and make sure it's gone.
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You do realize GH is produced by the anterior pituitary? I wonder if you are confusing this with the epidermal growth factor receptors that are sometimes stimulated by certain pathogenic strains of H pylori. This has nothing to do with GH, and is limited to the epithelial cells within the gut.
As for iron levels...obviously, if there is blood loss from GI bleeding, iron levels may be affected, along with Hgb, Hct, and other blood components. This would fall under the list of GI symptoms that I did not elaborate on, as I did not think that was the question being asked.
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tickled1
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I'm on my second round of treatment for H. Pylori and am hoping that will finally take care of it but like Lymeorsomething said I fear that b/c of all the abx I've done that it is just too resistant.
I also agree that H. Pylori symptoms ARE NOT limited to the gut. Various google searches point this out. It can cause leaky gut which of course is a whole cascade of awful events.
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What is the typical treatment protocol for h pylori?
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tickled1
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Triple or Quadruple therapy. Triple is PravPac which contains Prevacid, Amoxicillin and Biaxin. Quadruple therapy is that plus Bismuth.
I believe other abx are also sometimes used like Flagyl but I believe the above is what is tried first.
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Quadruple therapy is a PPI, bismuth, tetracycline, and Flagyl. This is normally prescribed for 14 days.
With the triple-drug therapy, which is either a PPI or ranitidine bismuth citrate, plus amoxicillin and Biaxin, duration of therapy is 7 days.
Occasionally, dual therapy is prescribed, which is just bismuth and Biaxin.
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tickled1
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Oops, sorry for the wrong information. I have a feeling I'll end up on quadruple next.
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I had H pylori, and I took biaxin and prevacid. It did help, I had an entirely ulcerated esophagus. I am still torn up stomach wise cuz I have colitis and gastroparesis, but the pain of my ulcers is gone at least with that treatment protocol.
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Lymeorsomething
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Actually a newer protocol is: Levaquin, PPI, Alinia, and Doxy.
Maryland, the body-wide effects of HP have been studied for some time now though without much conclusiveness. You realize ghrelin affects the release of GH, right?
Also the thyroid/HP connection has already been well-documented.
I tend to doubt that the burden of HP infection would be felt solely in the GI system...
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