Topic: Help/looking for other saliva post contagious/need/Saliva Post
nonna05
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Another post came on very close to my contagious issue.....They spelled it different. Can anybody remember or find it..Curious to see what came up on that one. I think by a new member.
Weird this came up twice so close together ,,here and Saliva post... Kinda threw some iffy's into pot... kisses. cups etc/
I really don't want kids afraid to kiss if they get to come at all.. Also dealing with Eastern/former Soviet thinking.
What's a Conundrum? This might fit I know sixgoofy said nobody got sick as did others ....were there any pre-caution's?
In house's that dealt with this>
Fear is not where I want to be. Their Dad Is trying to" protect" them,
,I could say a hundred thing's along those lines and their choices
Family was going to try to visit ,since I can't go..
They added new links ,,,
.Now their dad said he read article that said it's contagious.......... ... Help
Please read on... It's not my father (dead)...It's the triplets father....
Who has " his" entire family with him in Rep. Of Georgia.
How would he expect that you would pass it to him.
Are there others in your house that are healthy? That should be proof enough that it is not airborne.
I am so sorry.
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nonna05
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I don't know what report/ reports he saw... .nobody else here but husband usually in other room. Have /has there been anybody trying to prove or state this ,,I do know report is from 2009/
Is there a credible report that say's it's not?/
Something I can pull up and send?
He's saying passed to triplets...,Kissing, same room, thing's not aired out etc
He wouldn't come anyway , Just my daughter and 7 year old triplets
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Keebler
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- Gee, it's hard enough to find a mass market article that even conveys the seriousness of lyme I can't believe ANY article would say it's contagious.
It's just not so. It is an infectious disease (from the bite of an infected vector), though.
(As Randibear's link says that it is infectious.)
That is not at all the same as contagious (passing in the air like a cold). Not at all.
Maybe your father misinterpreted the article. --
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nonna05
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Daughter sent post, And yes she can cut and past....................
This is the site and he quotes from some reports and there are replies.
HealingWell.com Contagious what can we do and what do you think?
, Under Lyme topic
Post by Chasz , New Member posted,,,5-31-09 @12:51 pm.
Keebler
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- Thanks so much so we can put this puppy to bed now. There is no merit to that personal post.
I can't go searching a main link now but, gee, NEVER take what is posted in ANY conversation or discussion thread as the final solid truth
[even here where many do take great pains to document their expert sources . . . you'd want to get a range of experts and articles to confirm details].
The specific link would be helpful but - besides this having been posted three years ago -
This is just some regular guy - who obviously is not informed - typing his misinterpretation.
This is not an article, not any expert quote. Gonna listen to some guy who can't even spell "Conatious" correctly?
He was new, asking a question, obviously ill or tired himself and just confused the terms "contagious" and "infectious" - not making any proclamation.
You have some people posting on some bulletin boards certain that Elvis is still alive. -
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Keebler
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- nonna,
I sincerely hope your father will not take that post as true.
I hope he can come see you and that the visit is just excellent. -
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nonna05
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NOT FATHER,, SON IN LAW, Father of Triplets..
My daughter And I were trying to find $ and way for She and the girls to visit me since I can't travel.
They would lift my spirits so much.. and they are at the age where it matters so much regarding their relationship with me , since I'm odd man out. ( meaning not down the block ,like his parents)
I am broken hearted enough that what is left of MY family is over there...
I may have started with this there .who knows.
This is world wide...and Former Soviet has their fare share
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nonna05
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Keebler ,sorry if I mis-spelled something..Not that unusual...
It's not put to rest,,, It is the beginning of something I have to prove with Reports etc.. Now that he has this in his mind, doesn't matter if post or not, It put doubt in his mind..
This is one situation.. I'm sure more to follow..
I just need to be able to convince him that even though I am sick, his kids are not in danger of getting this from me..
A bite could happen, but that could be anywhere in the world.
He is not one to let up...So he will dig.. and I
just need polite, direct, correct info.. Thank you all
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Keebler
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- nonna,
While I try (not always succeeding, though) to get words down right (sort of practicing as a writer, maybe?), I couldn't care less with anyone's spelling here as long as I can figure it out.
Really. Spelling is not at all why I mentioned that.
To be clear, though, it was not a misspelling of yours that I pointed out but the text of that poster who was being help up as the expert to have declared lyme contagious.
My point was that if whoever said that couldn't even spell the word, had no editor to correct it - -and was just posting on a chat board, anyway - that pretty much implies it's not a statement or a source to be taken seriously.
It's like if someone writes an article or says they know about lymes. We know right away they do not as anyone who has done any amount of research would never add that "s" to the end.
It's a red flag for someone who is NOT an expert. -
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nonna05
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So where can I go , that's credible, for facts that they are OK to be around me.. I know common sense, that others have not gotten ill in same house from the person etc'
I was going to direct them to Under Our Skin a while ago.. I had concerns that they/HE would see only the worst .....
Like .If I'm driving, I know where I am and why.... I ,by the grace of God have not had the extreme tremors...
Jordon's family was with him and they are OK, aren't they?
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"There is no evidence that Lyme disease is transmitted from person-to-person. For example, a person cannot get infected from touching, kissing or having sex with a person who has Lyme disease."
Would your son-in-law believe this source as it is the mainstream, political view point of the US government?
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This doesn't sit right with me. It's easy to google lyme and discover it isn't contagious. I find your son in law's new belief that lyme is contagious very suspect.
Is he a good guy? Doesn't sound like he is. Maybe he just doesn't want to visit and is using this as a crutch. Either that or he's just plain stupid.
Sorry if I offend you.
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Maybe he IS this new member called Chasz . Ahh the conspiracy theories keep rearing their heads.
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I'm with tickle. This is an excuse. What's really going on?
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The above is just a statement, not fact. You can tell him it's a bacterial infection transmitted mostly by insect vectors, and under particular circumstances also human tissues and fluids, but that you don't plan to share in the latter!
Either he's legitimately concerned, or he could just be blowing you off and saying anything, so as to get out of a visit.
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nonna05
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The question of whether Lyme disease is contagious is a little trickier than asking "is Lyme Disease Infectious"?
This is because the direct transfer of Lyme disease from one human to another appears extremely unlikely but is, theorectially, possible....
These two links were given ,just now to me !!
From my daughter....Mom(this is what is giving him doubts, even if so very slight)
Earlier I mentioned about the GSE mix-up,,,Before I knew they had any kind of doubts along this way...
I didn't cut/paste link..I typed it out,,sorry you can't just click..
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nonna05
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Up Please I need all /real help
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My Gosh, this is the most ridiculous thing I've read in some time. I'm with tickle on this one as well. It seems like an excuse. As ill as most of us are, the LAST thing we need to be doing is defending our need to be visited by loved ones for pete's sake!! And against the fact that Lyme is spread like mono in a high school cafeteria at that!
You shouldn't have to spend your precious time and energy digging up articles to send to your daughter to pass along to your son-in-law to convince them. I mean seriously? They should both love you enough to do that themselves if they're so worried about it.
If I were your daughter I would give my husband a fine view of BOTH of my rear cheeks and tell him him TO KISS MY BEHIND. Then I would pack myself and my children up and leave his sorry butt at home.
Just my two cents, and I hope that doesn't hurt your feelings. You deserve better than that!
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- " . . . the direct transfer of Lyme disease from one human to another appears extremely unlikely but is, theorectially, possible...." (end quote)
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Yes, THAT is possible, indeed. But that is still not contagious, but rather infectious. A huge difference.
In fact, the article title uses the term "infectious" and NOT contagious.
"Infectious" is only relating to sexual partners in intimate contact -- or mother (or maybe even father) through conception.
And blood transfer or transfusions. (Assure them you are no longer a blood or tissue donor).
That's it.
Contagious means through the air, like from a cough or sneeze. Lyme is not contagious. -
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Contagious means through the air, like from a cough or sneeze. Lyme is not contagious. -
- There ya go.. in a nutshell.
I agree with lymielauren and tickle!
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nonna05
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Thank you ..Now we have the post on Saliva going.
And this was just 2 hours after I got letter from Doctor.
You guy's my heart is breaking ,,to think that My Grand-kids may be being told my kisses etc could make them sick...Besides not seeing them forever
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Didn't I read in a slightly older post that your daughter lived with you during her pregnancy, and you waited on her hand and foot? Obviously you had much casual contact with her, and yet the babies are born healthy.
His attitude doesn't add up !
I feel horrible for you to be in this situation. It is SO heartbreaking! If you were here I would give you a big hug. So sad. I hope that you and your daughter can convince your son in law that you are not contagious.
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Kiss away. Don't live in fear. Transmission is not likely (or rather impossible.)
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OK, the CDC edict is your most helpful defense, IMHO. (Even though we know they are WRONG about chronic Lyme.)
But bear in mind .. the jury is still out as to whether Lyme can be transmitted BETWEEN COUPLES!
They know that Bb is found in SEMEN. But if your HUSBAND is healthy, that's your BEST DEFENSE.
Tell your daughter that IF there is even a CHANCE that Lyme is "trasmittable" (NOT "contagious"), it would be transmitted in the SAME WAYS that AIDS is transmitted! Blood to blood (like in transfusions) or through sexual contact.
NOT from dishes, glasses, spoons and FAMILIAL Kissing!
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nonna05
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Now ,what? I was on Skype with them tonight and Among other thing's I mentioned to daughter to watch Under Our Skin///
/I was thinking ,so she'd know kinda how hard I'm fighting. After I remembered that Mandy brought up husband not feeling well..DARN !! I wish this brain filter was working...
tickle, thanks...they consider my getting sick after I went to Georgia (REP) at triplet's first B-day...In Aug.
By Sept, I was very ill, by Mid October, in hospital with " A-typical pneumonia.
There are three other event's that could be the marker..
Aunty ,waited over 16 years to get re-married,,,didn't turn out to be BEST DEFENSE
bcb1200, I would love to kiss away, actually think I would fill better, but my girlie's aren't here... .
Down to the wire on time, I'm supposed to just happen to call him and promise all kinds of thing's I won't do /share...just to start.
Then see where he goes with it...
The Lord is going to have to move in very mysterious way's to put this together.
I was so hoping the treatment would kick by now... It was bad enough to miss X-mas , but this is Posts: 2563 | From Denver,CO | Registered: Aug 2011
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nonna05
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Now I can't find the OTHER saliva post....
It came out around same day or so..I think from a new member..just spelled different
Wanted to see what was said ther..
So far No remarks from daughter and they just left for Black Sea vacation with grandparents etc..........
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nonna05
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You're a GEM, Thanks, N
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Nonna, Personally I think the jury is still out on whether it can be transmitted via bodily fluid during intercourse. While I think it's far less likely to be transmitted via saliva, until it has been disproved, I am very careful around my hubby and kids. I do however think there is no way it can be transmitted through casual contact like hugging or visiting.
Here are some things that I do when taking care of my two little kids: - I always wash my hands before touching/prepping food for them; - I never let them drink from my glass or eat any food off of my plate; - I never let them kiss me on the lips; - we don't share toothpaste; - I always wash my hands after blowing my nose.
These are just common sense things - most of which we did anyways to prevent spreading colds, etc.
I hope this works out!
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- nonna,
For future reference,
you can always search your posting history just by clicking onto your name.
Then, you can click on topics you started to narrow the field. -
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nonna05
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Knew it was somewhere Thanks Keebler
.Now how it connects with other post and the one WE are all loaded,, and mine ,about ,now coming up with a mosquito bites me and then gets someone around me so they would get sick from me through that.
. Not my thinking ,but being put out there and Lymedon sp? post We are all loaded...
Would love to sit back and let this drop....
Those that are knew ,this is not the norm..It's due to a situation in my family and may pertain to others..If you're new ,just get to LLMD ,and take meds ASAP,,,Never ever Steroids
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