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Tincup
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New study discussing Borrelia "sleeper cells" and persistence.

When you see that it is coming from the NY Medical College (Wormser's home) and the CDC- it doesn't seem possible they could be admitting chronic Lyme disease exists. ??

Wonder if Wormser even knew about this? Maybe they don't like him anymore either? Ho Ho Ho...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28836724

??????

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map1131
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Maybe your buddy is down and out with some silly bacterial illness. I'm sure he will be along soon and give his opinion and dispute the science.

Pam

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There are likely various ways borrelia can "hide" and be "persistent"

and we should always keep learning for there is much to learn

yet

ILADS LLMDs and such great researchers as Alan MacDonald's work on borrelia biofilm and so much more

have, for decades, explained how chronic lyme develops - including explaining cystic form, other FORMS of borrelia, the cycles it can take, different STRAINS, etc.

It's just been too complex for those with IDSA / CDC / NIH to wrap their heads around.

And the fact that short term Rx with just one Rx did not cut it. If fact, usually many months may be required, even years, of various combinations, rotations, etc.

That just one dose of any antibiotic, alone, can cause spirochetes to develop the cystic form & biofilm issues have been ignored by IDSA / CDC / NIH for the same decades that ILADS LLMD have been explaining it.

Add to that, the fact that the extreme suffering of most with lyme is not just about lyme but also about numerous other serious infections that require different classifications of Rx, treatment.

And that the body's organs, especially the liver and adrenals are so affected in ways that most doctors just don't seem to even want to understand or think about how to support while most ILADS LLMD and LL NDs have known all about that for decades . . . .

and that due to the ignorance and dismissal from most doctors, very few with lyme actually get assessed and treated early enough.

For anyone new to all this, a place to begin:

www.ilads.org

www.lymedisease.org

&

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8tESJVvM88

The Biology of Lyme Disease: An Expert's
Perspective (Part 1 of 3) Video series

Alan MacDonald, Pathologist, Lyme Disease Expert
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[ 08-25-2017, 09:34 PM: Message edited by: Keebler ]

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Tincup
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HA! Map!

Too funny! Maybe we should send him a get well card? Or a sympathy card?

[lol]

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Keebler, I am so sorry. I must disagree strongly with this statement...

"It's just been too complex for those with IDSA / CDC / NIH to wrap their heads around."

Please know that they are 1,000% doing all of this on purpose and they know by doing so they are making us suffer, and worse yet, they don't care that we are being destroyed.

They are not uninformed or unable to see it. They see it all perfectly well. They are doing this on purpose. No court could possibly not see, with this path of destruction and all of our evidence now, that they are just stupid or unable to see the truth.

So, IMO, what they are doing is not based on lack of understanding. It stems from pure evilness.

At least the lawsuits are finally starting to shape up. Having to pay $57 million and their legal fees won't dent them in the head as much as I'd like to see for all the damage they've caused and lives lost, but when you add an additional $1 million for each patient that has been harmed...

Well... if I were Wormser, Auwaerter, Dattwyler, Mead, Ben Beard, Nelson, Lantos, Steere, Shapiro, Zemel, Halperin, Krause, Fish, Nadelman, Bakken, Klempner, Dumler, McStupid, Bartlett, Carrter, Phil Baker, Sigal, Sood, Barbour, Feder, Hu, Barbara Johnson, Nowakowski, etc. etc. I'd be packing up and heading out of the country.

Strle and Stanek, since they are in other countries already along with several others, will have to find another planet to live on I guess- IF they don't end up in prison first.

Bockenstedt, from Yale, will probably continue to try to slowly distance herself from this horrible group that she is also a part of, and will volunteer to testify against them in court. MAYBE Dumler & Krause will too?

I expect Hopkins, Yale, Boston Mass General, Boston Children's Hosp, Philly hospital, Tufts, Duke, etc. etc. and anyone who supported them as they have will be hit with law suits too.

This is just the first of many huge law suits that I expect to come to the surface in the near future.

The biggest one (amongst the other millions instead of billions of dollars)- will come about once the new IDSA/CDC Lyme guidelines are published.

I feel it will be earth shattering for them if they even come close to writing any nonsense like they've tried to pass off over the years.

Of course this is only my opinion...

[Wink] [Wink]

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Bartenderbonnie
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In response to Tincup's opinion :

There is a real spiritual principle at work here.

"Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked:
A man reaps what he sows."
Galatians 6:7

"Those who plant injustice will harvest disaster."
Proverbs 22:8

"You have planted wickedness, you have reaped evil."
Hosea 10:3

Praying for God's justice for all the sufferring of Lyme disease patients brought about by the deliberate actions of the CDC.

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Tincup
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Thanks BB. I needed that. Its hard to watch this happening year after year and doing all you can to stop it and not being able to.

[group hug]

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Tincup
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And Keebler, after I turned off the computer I realized I may have taken out my frustration on your comment, not you of course, but what I am really upset about is what is going on.

Hope you understand that and don't feel that my hissy fit was directed at your words- just at the truth that is harming so many.

[group hug]

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