canefan17
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Someone was explaining to me that our immune system (and I'm paraphrasing) makes H2O2 and uses it to combat infections (E.g. Bartonella).
So would we be hampering the immune's system fighting ability by taking antioxidants such as resveratrol (knotweed), Vitamin C, so on and so forth?
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bcb1200
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I know that Dr. S says not to take ALpha Lipoic Acid while on Mepron as it can work against Mepron's "pro-oxidant" effect
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Keebler
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- IMO, loud and clear: antioxidants are absolutely, positively, without a doubt REQUIRED.
Humans simply cannot maintain life without antioxidants. They are in vegetables and fruits, even in black rice and legumes. Brighter and darker colors seem the best but even some pale foods can surprise with their antioxidant content.
Supplements, though, are what I assume you wonder about. Still, absolutely, YES.
IMO, it is impossible to succeed over any infection that causes the kind of toxicity and cellular damage as lyme without definitive antioxidant therapy.
Antioxidants support the healing. They help decrease toxic load. They feed our cells. They help our mood, our ability to move and help with our comfort level. They help us see, literally, and our hearts to beat in rhythm.
Now, timing of supplements can matter, of course. Generally, do not take at the same time as Rx. Space apart by a couple of hours.
Since they can help the liver work better, that can also speed the rate at which medicine is ushered out of the body. Mepron falls into this consideration.
For specifics, ALWAYS consult your LLMD &/or an ILADS-educated LL ND about this matter. Read what they have to say in articles and books below.
They can also help us streamline our supplement choices, finding those pack the best punch for the buck, teaching us how to rotate, etc.
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When considering herbal / nutritional / adjunct methods:
if at all possible - because each person & each case is different - it's best to consult with an ILADS-educated LL (lyme literate) doctor who has completed four years of post-graduate medical education in the field of herbal and nutritional medicine -
- and someone who is current with ILADS' research & presentations, past and present.
Many LL NDs incorporate antibiotics (depending upon the licensing laws in their state). Some LLMDs and LL NDs have good working relationships.
When possible, it's great to have both a LLMD and LL ND and even better when they have a long-standing professional relationship.
Integrative / Holistic M.D., etc. (Be aware that those in this category can have various levels of formal herbal &/or nutritional education, perhaps even just a short course. Do ask first.)
Links to many articles and books by holistic-minded LL doctors of various degrees, etc. -
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Keebler
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- Antioxidants are necessary to help protect the liver, too. More detail here:
LIVER LINKS -
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MannaMe
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could taking antioxidants cause a herx?
My husband had tried an antioxidant (before we knew he had Lyme & babs) and he would get "hands-dragging-to-the-floor-tired". He stopped & started several times over a 3 month period until he finally gave up on that one.
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canefan17
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Thanks Keebler
I agree and yes Knotweed and glutathione clear my vision up big time so I can only imagine the other good effects.
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MichaelTampa
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Energy testing, energy testing, energy testing.
I've heard the thing about, while on abx, not to take high-antioxidant supplements, as they can counteract them. While on abx, I saw a few times, that is when I started testing to not take them.
I've been off abx for a while, and still gone through cycles where my body wanted high amounts, and other times where my body said to not add any in supplement form.
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Keebler
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- When possible, it's great to get our antioxidants from (organic) foods. Veggies with every meal, especially breakfast and for snacks.
She tells us how to do that; how it got her walking again (along with some other things):
Terry Wahls, M.D. official website -
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Keebler
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- MannaMe,
The category of "antioxidant" is just far to broad. And most are used not so much for that property for other properties they possess, the antioxidant element just goes along with most of them.
Clearly, not all supplements labeled "antioxidant" are the same. Not all manufacturers are top notch and even a very good product may not be right for everyone, all the time.
Best to consult a LL ND about what is right for each person, at that point in time. Articles in the "How to find a LL ND" thread are also excellent guides, for the basics.
Through the years, I've certainly found some supplements that I could not tolerate and learned how to weed out others that were just not necessary or redundant -- as well as identifying the ones that really do pull their weight.
Also consider additives. Try to avoid as best possible. Consider the best quality sources with the best growing, harvesting, processing and shipping methods.
Always start with just one, usually best with a meal . . . and wait a while before increasing to see how it goes.
I like to compare notes from many different professional sources before taking anything. Then I will (or should) ask my ND about it because she has far more experience and education and often that saves the day. -
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Keebler
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- MannaMe,
Your husband might want to check that "antioxidant" that did not work well for him for what else might be in that.
Re: Additives - with an important post on L-Glutamine's excitatory action.
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