METALLlC BLUE
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Here is what I have collected on this guy over the last few months. I provide some information about his therapy. If anyone has patient reports directly having seen him, please PM me.
quote: Dr. Ingo Woitzel Hohenzollernstra�e 81 75177 Pforzheim Phone: 07231 -3135-33 Fax. 07231 - 3572 -68 E-mail: [email protected] Webpage: http://www.drwoitzel.de Specialty: General practitioner, Environmental Medicine, Natural Remedies Notes: He performed: Bio-resonance therapie, Electrical acupuncture, Acupuncture, Homeopathy, Phytotherapy, Chiropractic, Breathing techniques, gentle manual therapy after Dorn. In the field of Lyme disease infection Dr. Woitzel working successfully with the new procedure Lichtquantentherapie. It is a gentle alternative to antibiotic treatment.
Additional Notes: Borreliosis is a bacterial disease which is caused by bites from ticks and other insects. Borrelia is classified within the spirochetes bacterial strain. Scientific experiments have shown that the cells maintain their metabolism using photons. In the illness Borreliosis, Borrelia infiltrate the cells and the photon balance of the cell is clearly decreased. It is for this reason that Photon therapy is used to treat Borreliosis.
Photon therapy using Bionic 880 with its four different frequency ranges in the infrared range makes it possible for us to have a positive effect on energy balance, metabolism and cell regeneration. Furthermore, we have discovered a smart way to successfully treat Borreliosis without administering antibiotics. Using photon therapy, the cells are in the position to remove invasive bacteria (and also viruses and toxic loads) away from the cells and thereby induce a normalization of the metabolism. By eliminating Borrelia from the cells there is an immune response within the lymphocytes, which finally destroys the Borellia.
In this phase the results are clear for the patient - his/her immune system reacts and we can clearly see this in the lymphocyte transformation tests, which are carried out regularly. From widespread application observations the following can be stated: In initially high lymphocyte reactions to Borrelia, Photon therapy brings about fast normalisation, i.e., after 5-8 treatments, tests are in the normal range. (The patient notices a continual improvement in his/her condition). In very low lymphocyte reactions there is a rapid rise in the immune reaction, which normalizes 2-3 months after therapy.
Here, the patients have clear reactions. Treating Borreliosis using photons has a success rate of well over 90 %. Experience using photon therapy has been going on for a period of 7 years now and we are happy to report that we have a relapse rate of only 1-2 %.
Requirements for treatment: Bionic 880 and Borreliosis Nosodes and if necessary Original Borrelia afzelii as mentioned in your letter. Setting on Bionic 880: Power: 100%; Frequency; F3; Time; 395 sec. (In some cases it may be necessary to use F1 instead of F3. Special test methods are needed for this).
Treatment: Nosodes and if necessary Original Borrelia afzelii are attached to 3 fingers beneath the sternum. This causes a demonstrable and considerable strain on the entire organism. The following S points are then treated: as stated in your letter. Application of the Borrelia to the Solar plexus is needed for a positive therapeutic sucess and to achieve a specific reaction, which would otherwise not occur. Treatment is to be carried out twice per week. There should be two days between each treatment, so as to avoid overload and over-reaction; 5 treatments are to be carried out in total and energetic testing as well as laboratory tests have to be carried out.
If the energetic testing is positive, on the same or the following days Photon therapy is to be carried out again. Reactions are to be observed for a period of one month, and no other energetic treatment using photons is to be carried out during this period.
Checks should be carried out monthly and if the result is positive it should be followed by one photon therapy. In application observations 108 patients were controllably treated and monitored over a period of 3 years, the rate of success was over 96 %; we have successfully treated well over 500 patients in seven years and up to now have only had 6 patients who had re-onset Borreliosis.
Determining factors of these were once again tick bites or stings from other insects signed by Dr. med Ingo Woitzel
Special Note: Physicians and health care providers in a number of countries use this therapy besides this doctor. Here are two webpages:
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I'm new-ish to all of this so I missed the debate.
But I'm just wondering, people who have tried this, have any of those people seen improvement in their symptoms?
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Derek, I will keep you posted. I will post regular updates while I'm in Germany. I know I was chomping at the bit to hear how others were doing over there.
Little, GiGi's husband saw significant improvement in his symptoms. Two others who went have the same symptoms they had before they left, though they energetically test to be Lyme-free.
One of those has other issues he needs to see an orthopedic doctor for.
The other, we really don't know ... my guess is it could be a detox problem. I mean, think about it, you kill all the borrelia in three weeks! You're bound to feel bad especially if you're a slow detoxer. That person is still following Dr. W's directions and still feels the same. Of course, it could be that the treatment just didn't do anything for him.
I'm taking the risk. Like I say, I've got nothing to lose and all of you know I have no agenda and am not selling anything. Same with the three others going over at the same time as me.
I plan on coming back with a machine.
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I mean, I was just energetically tested and the herbs show to be killing the lyme (but not the coinfections), but I just keep getting worse and worse. Energetically I also show that I have major detox problems and that my body is storing everything that the herbs have killed off, including the neurotoxins.
So maybe that is the case with the folks who haven't improved as well.
So I guess in the end, if you have a detox problem like I do, the Bionic 880 is no better of a choice than anything else...it's still not going to rid a system of the die off toxins. Darn.
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Well, I think you would just have to find something else to get rid of the toxins. Getting rid of the Lyme is a HUGE step in the right direction. Plus, the infrared light has been proven to get rid of neurotoxins - this is from Marnie's post. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18440709?dopt=Citation
Do you take any binders, like chlorella or zeolite?
Read up on Dr. Shoemaker who is known for his detox work.
Also, I reread my post ... GiGi's husband saw miraculous improvement, not only can he hold a knife and fork again, but he can cook his wife breakfast. His wheelchair has a new home in their garage.
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Thank you for restarting the thread on the Bionic 880. There were many of us that were sincerely interested but were penalized along with the few that had different opinions.
Are there people still trying to start groups and purchase their own Bionic 880?
I hope that someone that has the greater good of the group as a whole at heart will share their experience with the rest of us.
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I'll be there with the September group and will try to post while I'm there. Unless of course sixgoofy and the rest of us are just having to much fun.
I anticipate needing some sort of physical therapy when I return due to an old spinal fracture that the lyme has been loving.
I don't know how well I detox but if I need to do lots of that along with some work on my back - hey - lyme free is good enough for me!
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I wish all of you the best of luck in Germany!! I wish I could go... even if to only visit Germany...
I have my skeptism about the bionic880... but I am not going to put anyone down for trying it.
I feel it is really too good to be true, but that is just my opinion. I mean I dont know how something could eradicate a chronic intracelluar infection in 3 weeks???
I want to believe that something can cure us...
If I had money to spare I would probably go just to give it a shot... I want to be well more than anything in this world..
Good Luck everyone!!
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I don't have one red cent to spare but like you said Unexpected - I want to be well more than anything.
I've spent a small fortune on doctors, abx, supplements, tinctures, and years of time and suffering that you can't put a dollar amount on.
If there is a chance with the Bionic880 (which I believe strongly there is) than it will be money I will be happy to part with.
In the past, when I've set my mind to do something, I all of a sudden get very creative. I sold $2000 worth of junk and took a trip with a friend last year. It can happen.
Right now I'm looking around my house to see what I can sell so that maybe I can buy my own machine.
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Keep Posting. I am definately planning on going as well, but must wait for a later time. Would like to know if anyone else is planning on a Germany trip for treatment in the future? Would like to go with a group. And much appreciate all the comments on progress with the 880.
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Thank You Nobody and Metallic for a thread that we can openly say, "" Is this too good to be true, can I really allow myself to believe this "" but be able to continue to discuss this Treatment in a more adult manner. Little Lyme, toxins are a problem, whatever means you kill by, but I ask myself, " would a strengthened immune system by Infrared, allow better elimination of toxin's ", ??
Our body's at the moment, are not in as good a shape to deal with them, ( thank's to Bb ).
Some of us are trying, the LT wrk's , to see what measure of improvement we can gain, ( without claiming a Cure )
I RESENT being put down, by Scott and other's, before we have had the chance of giving it a try, and can report our finding's .
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Way to go! Keep the info flowing & the negativity in check.
We are all interested.
Even if some of us can't go to Germany... we can apply some of the knowledge gained - here, in our own ways.
It will be a great help to all of us. Please keep sharing.
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Steelbone quoted the correct price but I believe that is if you have it shipped to you in the US. If you purchase it in Germany I believe it's about $1,000 less.
At least that's what the company emailed to me.
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Most people seem to be going to Germany for 3 weeks only. I wonder if a longer time period would make a difference.
I understand the expense could be a factor, but am still wondering. I will be very interested in what you-- sixgoofykids and the others --have to say about it.
And when you come back and post I hope everyone will be civil or else scroll on by.
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Fragments from Gigi's original thread.
Here are some notes i took on the original lost thread. These bits and pieces are out of order, out of context. I don't have the patience like a Biblical scholar to establish the correct text.
QUOTES FOLLOW:
This is topic We have returned with the Bionic 880 in forum Medical Questions at LymeNet Flash.
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on 16 July, 2008 09:47 PM :
We have returned from Germany. We are beat. The treatment takes its toll and it is not something one can take like a cup of afternoon tea. It is a strong treatment and it was this way even for me - who had no Lyme symptoms left before treatment.
However, I received our new instrument right upon arrival in Germany. (The one that never made it to our house, was still on its return flight that I had ordered) Let me assure you, our Bionic 880 came through without even the slightest problem. I declared it at customs at its full value in dollars\ and there was no duty to be paid. I had a letter from Dr. W. stating that we were patients under his care and that the light instrument in our possession was for continued therapeutical use at home.
We were very busy and very occupied with recuperating from one treatment to the next. I was of the opinion that I had not borrelia that could present a problem to me any longer. I was tested on a Biocom 2000, similar to EAV, and I tested still positive for some of the very low potency nosodes. So I decided to do my own treatment on our own instrument as my husband was receiving his under the guidance of Dr. W.
I had upon arrival started to use the photon pain protocol on my defective (once broken/but mended foot) for just about 5 minutes (without of course any nosodes) - not longer because I knew we would get guided treatment on our first appointment the following day. Little did I know, within two hours I had an erythema the size of a chicken egg on my right arm - the same side where I had been bit in 1996. I showed what was left of it to Dr. W. the next day, our first appointment. Photons do a wakeup call - if I had ever doubted it, that was my confirmation that that stuff moves bugs.
The treatments for myself reactivated a lot of pulling and which had still remained in my face all through the years - I felt and took it as permanent damage to the facial nerve and involved muscles. It changed every day - even though the treatments were strictly to be kept at least with two days break in between. My husband had Mag IV with several other substances which every patient, if needed, picks up at the pharmacy nearby and is then used by the most efficient nurses. He also received blood/ozone infusions, starting small and getting larger. Same for some supporting homeopathics for organ support and toxin elimination. He also often resorts to structural corrections, different methods depending on patient. Most people who have been ill for a long time have a number of added problems that he finds and treats. If a patient does not want these, that is fine, but the results are limited by restrictions in posture. My husband definitely found to have a ``dead'' spot as a result of a back fracture and Dr. W. started to work on that, with improvement. Everything is limited by a short stay - three weeks is just not long enough to correct some of these very major problems - Lyme or not. ` My facial problems have corrected themselves and I do not have any strong sensations. But I did not clear all nosode energetic testing and will continue a treatment once in a while. He does recommend to be very careful - the worst is overtreatment - which is done very easily, because it doesn't feel at the moment as if one is doing anything at all. The results usually turn up 12-18 hours later - and varies greatly from patient to patient.
I also received (I asked for it and he tested me for okay) a blood ozone cleansing knowing that I had a few things stashed away in my body - who doesn't at my age! I was totally wiped out the day following and could hardly navigate - I started to feel sympathy with chronic fatique people! Never knew what it felt like, because I never lacked energy whatsoever. I was back to myself a couple days later and glad to get rid of whatever it was.
My husband also has not cleared all Lyme nosodes yet, so at the appropriate time we will treat ourselves. I learned the biotensor testing, but do not quite trust myself yet. It takes a clear mind and who doesn't have a wish when testing husband or friend. It takes a certain discipline that I have not quite acquired yet.
I was introduced to a patient by Dr. W. who was being treated in another room - he patient greeted me with ``GiGi, you are the reason I am here''. He looked pretty bad just starting his second photon treatment. Looked and acted even worse (to a watchful eye) following the third treatment. We saw him again after his fifth treatment - a totally different person! I do not have permission to describe details. He flew home with his Bionic 880 feeling much better and continuing treatment at home. He needs more corrective work, I am sure. But no doubt, the few treatments he had were the turnaround!
Be aware, that anyone who has been ill for years is not going to be totally cured after five treatments. It is very clear from the power point presentation that I have received (am not permitted to distribute it via the internet) that with the elimination of the borrelias out of the cells which the photons activate, there will follow an immune reaction with the lymphocytes, who will then finally destroy the borrelia, remove other pathogens and toxins from the system - over time. The patient notices steady improvement of symptoms and also will have certain reactions, not always pleasant. What took years to damage aided by excessive drugs and abx will take some time to normalize. That is the reason for the continued observation by the doctor, making certains tests are negative, or treatment once a months if still positive. Every single patient brings a different body to the table.
We found Dr. Woitzel most caring and always ready to do what is necessary. I have never been to an office where the office personnel was more kind and attentive.
The cost is most reasonable knowing what things cost in this country. The low dollar is a negative, but c'est la guerre.
Dr. Woitzel assured me that he will respond to all reasonable e-mail and phone calls. I have tried him on this already and he happened to answer the phone himself.
Please know that the Bionic 880 is patented. I myself could care less how and why - and am not making an attempt to get any of the details. Anyone with a brain to put this thing together and carry it out as just about the easiest tool I have ever touched - that is superbly effective - deserves to be rewarded for the work. The earlier editions were slightly different, with less frequency choices. Dr. Woitzel started his first treatment - I think he said seven years ago - with a little 3-year old girl whose parents brought her to him ``please, no antibiotics - just get her well''. He started to ``play'' with this method, altering it slightly as he went along over the years, but the little girl is still very well today.
He also introduced me to a lady who had Lyme for many years, but was reinfected that same week again clearing around her garden: She was in so much pain, called Dr. Woitzel after having heard of him; he told her to come in in two hours. She was in so much pain, checked herself into the hospital. They told her to go to her PCP. She then went straight to Dr. W. He started treatment. On her third treatment, he introduced me to her. She had been in pain from top of head to toe. Still some in the head area that morning. After the third treatment, all pain was gone. She came back several more times, but was painfree. She was one happy lady.
I have asked him to please supply me with some phone numbers of people I can call. I promised him only I would call whenever he gives me the okay. Some of the people that have seen him over the years. He said he would send me a mail as soon as he had time. They are moving to other quarters and are quite busy.
We purchased the Scenar Home version - am still practicing on my husband's back trying the reestablish ``electricity''. I wish we could have stayed there because he definitely has more ideas than I ever thought of.
I can treat ``us'' with any nosode, any substances, any med, any homeopathic. He gave me lots of ideas I can work with using the Bionic 880.
Now I have got to get to my weeds growing out of our gutters - clean the skylights - and come back to cooking baking grandchildren putting up fruits etc etc etc
I want to warn you - I do not have a minute to waste on arguing whether this is a genuine instrument or crooks trying to sell us flashlight! I have made up my mind a long time ago - even if my husband will not fully recover because of permanent damage from Lyme or other causes - a possibility I mentioned before we sought the treatment - this instrument works.
I started to give our landlady at Gaestehaus Klein the weight loss protocol with the photons - and she looked like she was slimming down after the six treatment!!! I don't have a smoker in the family, but know that it works in just about four days to get rid of the dependency. I feel the same way as the Canadian Lady who has the instrument - I will never sell it - and am most grateful that I was able to bring it with us without even the slightest problem.
And energetic testing is a must to do the treatment
Dr. Woitzel's very strong and always repeated opinion is that very few patients that come to him have ``only'' Lyme disease, especially the patients coming from the U.S. after receiving many months of antibiotics and multiple antibiotics (he was obviously quite surprised at some of the protocols some people had been under). His comments were all the resultant damage also has to be repaired, usually leaky gut, allergic reactions, etc.
It seems I have heard all of that before -- there is usually more to chronic Lyme - but the photons from the Bionic 880 start the turnaround!
Take care.
P.P.S. I also had a talk with the ladies whose story I posted about earlier -- both had suffered from Lyme for several years and both were lucky enough to become totally well within the first five Bionic treatments. He also treated the husband of one of these ladies, who had suffered from an intestinal problem for many years. He is also well since then. Both women tried before photon therapy to get abx, but were refused longterm abx therapy. It turned out to be to their benefit. It is commonly not done in Germany. We had gone to one in southern Germany during my early stage of Lyme in 1998 and was denied any abx by is known to be a Lyme expert, Dr. Dieter Hassler. When I told Dr. Woitzel about our experience there, he was fully aware of many similar situations with that doctor.
I am absolutely and totally convinced that the Bionic 880, if done to protocol, as long as other problems are also dealt with, is the greatest solution for Lyme I have come across. If anyone cares to call Mrs. Kunold, google Kunold Lyme, you will find her website. She also lectures on Bionic and Lyme. I understand the manufacturer (very small company) are in training sessions last weekend in Holland and Germany and therefore not answering mails. They put on approx. 60 sessions of training seminars a year ----
Posted by hiker53 (Member # 6046) on 16 July, 2008 11:35 PM :
Gigi,
Thanks for the update. Just to clarify, can Dr. W treat bart and mycoplasma as well as lyme?
Does his treatment help with food allergies?
Hiker53 ----------------------- Different infections can be treated that way. Most problems are treated with the toxin. Some people even bring in the items that make them sick. Frequency, time exposure, intensity is tested energetically before the photons are applied. This I was told by other therapists who are treating literally everything that way.
Someone gets sick eating some food. Bring food in and use photons. It works. I have read many different case histories.
Dr. W. also uses the Biocom for treatment of fungi, food allergies, etc. Others use the Bionic 880 and nothing else. --------------------------------------------- I would not consider this a potential successful treatment for Lyme. IT IS A SUCCESSFUL TREATMENT FOR LYME IF ALL CONDITIONS ARE MET. He has also found that in recent years, EMF exposure has to be eliminated for the treatment to work. Stay away from i-Pods - you are a walking antenna (if you can still walk) for other i-Pod users. GiGi Frequent Contributor Member # 259
It is recommended not to read or make conversation or watch TV during the treatment. Positive or negative energy immediately change the biochemistry. Just let things happen, sit back and relax.
I do not fear EMF in general as I used to because I have detoxed massive heavy metals. EMF's do not resonate with similar frequencies in my body any longer.
We stayed in a small town at 700 m altitude with lots of fresh air. www.gaestehaus-klein-dobel.de It is a town with several rehabs and clinics and the town provides for a 1.80 Euro a day a pass to take the bus down the hill, catch the little three wagon train (that runs like clockwork on time)to Pforzheim to get off near the doctor and then go back up 'home' when treatment is over.
I just tested my husband energetically to check how much remains of the Borrelia. When we started the photon therapy, he tested positive for nine of the ten borrelia nosode vials. Now after the 8th treatment, he is down to two that still test positive. That means that he has barely a molecule of borrelia left in his body.
Dr. W. gave me different instructions today to treat him without nosodes, with different frequencies, different positioning of the lighthead, of the hormone balancing protocol. He gave me a certain mix of protocols for the next three weeks, four protocols a week, and asked me to report the results to him. I think I will behave and do exactly as he said. ----------------------------------------
I just tested my husband energetically to check how much remains of the Borrelia. When we started the photon therapy, he tested positive for nine of the ten borrelia nosode vials. Now after the 8th treatment, he is down to two that still test positive. That means that he has barely a molecule of borrelia left in his body.
Dr. W. gave me different instructions today to treat him without nosodes, with different frequencies, different positioning of the lighthead, of the hormone balancing protocol. He gave me a certain mix of protocols for the next three weeks, four protocols a week, and asked me to report the results to him. I think I will behave and do exactly as he said. ---------------------------------------------- Subject: how longstop abx befor Bionic 880?
GiGi, I have a couple more questions.
I am currently on abx/anti-malarials, plus herbs/supps.
When/if I go to Germany for treatment, I assume I have to quit at least the drugs, which brings me to my questions:
1) How long do you have to be off meds for treatment? After about 4 weeks off meds I decline, so I want to stay on for as long as I can so I'm strong for the trip.
2) Can you continue with supps and herbs? I am also talking about herbs like the Cowden products.
3) What about thryroid meds? Pain killers? Sleeping meds?
I know you might not have all the answers, but I thought I'd run it by you. Thanks so much for continuing to post on this. ------------------------------------------------ as of this night, my husband cleared all 10 nosodes of bb. So according to my own testing he is Lyme free. 3 days ago he had three of the weakest ones left to clear. next day 2, yesterday one, and today none.
We have not treated borrelia the last few days, because we were instructed to do some hormone balancing (Bionic) and some other protocol with a different frequency, the purpose of which I have not quite understood yet. All done without nosodes. So, it seems to me that the immune system starts to kick in at some point and take over the work, nosodes or not.
My husband still has varying symptoms - motoric only. Dr. Woitzel emphasized the physical therapy.
Tonight he tested for heavy metals. But I have also been told by Dr. W. to go as slowly as possible with detoxing the metals, to avoid damage. I am activating the spine with the Scenar, a neet tool for home use which he taught me while there. I rubbed in 5 drops of DMPS, vagus and spine, and applied Bionic photons on it for 50 seconds - all of it energetically tested with the biotensor ------------------------------------------- Subject: Bionic 880,Dr Woitzel's letter
Here is some info they sent me from Germany. I wonder if anyone in the USA has this machine. It cost about 10,000$. Ruth
Treating Borreliosis by Dr. med. lngo Woitzel Borreliosis is a bacterial disease which is caused by bites from ticks and other insects. Borrelia is classified within the spirochetes bacterial strain. Scientific experiments have shown that the cells maintain their metabolism using photons. In the illness Borreliosis, Borrelia infiltrate the cells and the photon balance of the cell is clearly decreased. It is for this reason that Photon therapy is used to treat Borreliosis. Photon therapy using Bionic 880 with its four different frequency ranges in the infrared range makes it possible for us to have a positive effect on energy balance, metabolism and cell regeneration. Furthermore, we have discovered a smart way to successfully treat Borreliosis without administering antibiotics. Using photon therapy, the cells are in the position to remove invasive bacteria (and also viruses and toxic loads) away from the cells and thereby induce a normalization of the metabolism. By eliminating Borrelia from the cells there is an immune response within the lymphocytes, which finally destroys the Borellia. In this phase the results are clear for the patient - his/her immune system reacts and we can clearly see this in the lymphocyte transformation tests, which are carried out regularly. From widespread application observations the following can be stated: In initially high lymphocyte reactions to Borrelia, Photon therapy brings about fast normalisation, i.e., after 5-8 treatments, tests are in the normal range. (The patient notices a continual improvement in his/her condition). In very low lymphocyte reactions there is a rapid rise in the immune reaction, which normalizes 2-3 months after therapy. Here, the patients have clear reactions. Treating Borreliosis using photons has a success rate of well over 90 %. Experience using photon therapy has been going on for a period of 7 years now and we are happy to report that we have a relapse rate of only 1-2 %. Requirements for treatment: Bionic 880 and Borreliosis Nosodes and if necessary Original Borrelia afzelii as mentioned in your letter. Setting on Bionic 880: Power: 100%; Frequency; F3; Time; 395 sec. (In some cases it may be necessary to use F1 instead of F3. Special test methods are needed for this). Treatment: Nosodes and if necessary Original Borrelia afzelii are attached to 3 fingers beneath the sternum. This causes a demonstrable and considerable strain on the entire organism. The following S points are then treated: as stated in your letter. Application of the Borrelia to the Solar plexus is needed for a positive therapeutic sucess and to achieve a specific reaction, which would otherwise not occur. Treatment is to be carried out twice per week. There should be two days between each treatment, so as to avoid overload and over-reaction; 5 treatments are to be carried out in total and energetic testing as well as laboratory tests have to be carried out. If the energetic testing is positive, on the same or the following days Photon therapy is to be carried out again. Reactions are to be observed for a period of one month, and no other energetic treatment using photons is to be carried out during this period. Checks should be carried out monthly and if the result is positive it should be followed by one photon therapy. In application observations 108 patients were controllably treated and monitored over a period of 3 years, the rate of success was over 96 %; we have successfully treated well over 500 patients in seven years and up to now have only had 6 patients who had re-onset Borreliosis. Determining factors of these were once again tick bites or stings from other insects. signed by Dr. med Ingo Woitzel -----------------------------------------------------
To learn using the Bionic 880 takes my 8 year old granddaughter less than two minutes. It is the simplest gadget ever.
The important part is: Energetic testing by machine or by hand (ART, EAV, Biocom, etc. etc.) is a prerequisite. The core piece of course is the Bionic 880 in place. Parallel to this, the important part is to be trained and have access to the many different alternative support modalities that are available. When the photons start opening the floodgates of stored refuse in weakened cells one needs to be ready to help flush things out. It takes a little klinghardt or a big klinghardt to know how and what to do when that happens. The longer the illness and stored antibiotic residue and other drug leftovers, the more attention is then needed. That is what the assisting practitioner has to be able to do -
Dr. Woitzel uses little supplemental meds. Some Mag IV's and possibly some homeopathics for clearing organs. Ozone is applied (blood laundry!) Others I talked to use stabilized oxygen infusions (or oral) several times a week before and during. Some add other detox agents to remove toxins from the body quickly. Some need attention with leaky gut problems. Some need extensive kidney and liver support, some need to have help balancing the acid-alkaline conditons. All depending on individual condition. The assisting practitioner has to be able to judge that.
It cannot and should not be done by someone who has no knowledge of alternative modalities. Also, if abx are used during photon treatment, the patient fails. This happened during the testing for certification. Approx. 100 people were included in the trial, all passed except the person taking abx on the side as was discovered afterward. -------------------------------------------
Regarding the note about antibiotics being detrimental to successful treatment with Bionic 880,
What about those taking antimicrobial herbs - whether anti-spirochetal or anti-malarial (for babesia)?
I assume support herbs (such as for adrenal, liver, heart) would pose not problem, but I wonder if the stronger ones would ? ------------------------------------------- Dr. W. said there is little strange he has not seen yet with patients. But not exactly like yours. His move would be to test and to treat depending on the energetic testing. He absolutely acts depending on that, though always accompanied by common sense. He said even if he had encountered similar problems, your solution might be a totally different one than someone else's.
He does some exquisite biotensor testing and I started to learn it, because not only can I test myself, but also my husband. I am starting to use it daily - many medical doctors and other practitioners do. A Klinghardt therapist does excellent work not with ART, but with the Biotensor. Have a look in literature. Dr. Klinghardt's mom a long time ago gave me a book about it - never did it until I met Dr. Woitzel. He ordered one for me while I was there and taught me the basics in a few minutes. Practice is the key
Re strong herbals, etc. I am pretty certain he would say to stop. Photons seem harmless, but you can put the house on fire with them. So no others needed, except for drainage support, organ support, following treatment. The toxins need to be removed as quickly as possible. That is where the good support person comes in - knowing what to do to ease the fallout with mop-up, etc. He uses homeopathic Phoenix Solidago spag, silybum spag, ursica arsenicum spag. I didn't see a pill or capsule of anything in the place any time. -----------------------------------------
The patient during treatment tapes the appropriate nosodes to his/her solar plexus. The light head is held onto ten different points on the body. It is not held over the nosodes directly. directly. Different nosodes for different infections. I am starting to tape all sorts of things on to treat it. Your can treat your own blood (a drop in a vial) for autoimmune corrections, etc. If you have the insect that got you, put it in a vial and add it next to the nosodes. Like treats like.
There is nothing difficult about the Bionic. It takes two minutes to figure out the settings. The important part is to have a support person help with the fallout - very toxic people need drainage remedies and organ support to help move the toxins out quickly. And of course someone who can do EAV, ART, or just a good simple muscle testing. I learned the Biotensor and love it. Takes a bit of practice. Dr. Woitzel uses one and he gave me my first lesson, to test myself and to test others. A great tool if learned and practiced right. Anyone with an interest in healing Lyme should invest in this instrument. It can be used in many situations. I already used it a couple three times for weight reduction - it works like a charm - had to take in my waistbands twice while we were overthere --- even with the many bakeries in the neighborhood. I also love the hormone balancing protocol. If you learn energetically test, you can "build" your personal protocol for different applications. If I ever have another cold, I will treat it also (sticking my wet kleenex into a vial onto the body!!) -------------------------------------------------------- From: To: "purpleirises" Subject: Bionic 880 patient, Dr W Date: Saturday, July 26, 2008 4:47 PM
He finished his 6th treatment last week, getting his check in a month for any possible potencies of the Borrelia nosodes still testing. He had an extremely high number of the b bugs when he started. He went to Dr. Woitzel listing his complaints (- basically Dr. W. is known as an MD with a total body approach) involving stomach, nerve transmission, stumbling, etc. He did not know about Borrelia and the other doctors he had seen over the years also told him "live with it".
He is already back to jogging. Had his amalgams removed three years ago, with little change. He did not follow it by a detox of metals.
He is doing absolutely great, loving to have a new life - something he had never thought possible - but still hoped for. I was in a hurry and he invited me to call again if I had more questions. I mentioned the concern everyone here has with money - his answer - what is it worth if you live n this darkness every day. He had to pay all out of pocket, because German insurance does not cover this as an alternative treatment. Only privately insured people get reimbursed for portions of it.
It was an absolute delight to talk with this man -who, as he repeated several times, had lost all hope to ever recover. He also said he is on the move from morning til evening while before the treatment he had to take naps to make it through the day. The best, he says, is waking up in the morning without the clouds hanging over him - the day is bright and full of opportunity again. --------------------------- On this website you can click to download a PDF with a brochure on the Bionic 880. I found it interesting.
http://www.healthoptimiser.co.uk/methodology_bionic880.html --------------------------------------- On the Bionic: My husband had his seventh Lyme treatment yesterday - he treated himself. It takes one hour, no reading, no watching horror news. He is steadily improving and looking great- better, and better and better. I have to look twice to make sure I am not seeing things!
All we do is mop-up agents, Solidago, etc. to support organs, as well as using the supporting protocol/frequencies of Bionic 880 for liver/organ support to clear toxins. ---------------------------------------------------- works like a charm - had to take in my waistbands twice while we were overthere --- even with the many bakeries in the neighborhood. I also love the hormone balancing protocol. If you learn energetically test, you can "build" your personal protocol for different applications. If I ever have another cold, I will treat it also (sticking my wet kleenex into a vial onto the body!!) --------------------------------------
> I would be very interested to find what particular study you read > says that there is a lack of control over tissue growth using IR LED > stimulation? > > Actually, I have been reading extensively about the topic recently, > including some of research papers of Prof. Popp and found something > different which is called "battery effect" - it means regrowth is > stimulated in damaged cells - healthy cells do not react! > > Propably we are quite different - what I found is that IR LED > stimulation therapy is very safe and I did not found any report of > adverse effects (within reasonable setting of course). > > Me, I decided to not wait any more! I am an electronic engineer (as > one of my many identities:- ) and after studying all what is available > I decided to built a copy of Bionic 880 instrument myself. I should > be ready in a couple of weeks. Then, I will do myself autonosodes and > try to duplicate dr. Weizel protocol. If it does not work I always > have an option to visit him (few hours drive from my place:-). > > This is my way - others might beware. Doctors always told me to > beware but I listen to them no longer. They told me many things to > beware - a bit more than year ago I was at the bottom of The Hell, > bedridden, with severe dysautonomia, severe pains, Alzhaimer like > brain and other similar pleasures;-) . Today, I am pretty functional > and I have just returned from 2 hours mountain bike ride:-) I have > still a waaaay to go but believe me, waiting for so called "science" > (especially medical science) to confirm something is "safe" > or "proven" - it is not a way for me:-)> > Pawel > ------------------------------------------------------- GiGi Frequent Contributor Member # 259
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Since there has been so much talk about other light instruments, and for our own satisfaction I have been able to get some answers to some of the questions from the manufacturer and doctors/practitioners who are using the tool in their practice.
I found, as I had posted previously that to compare a tool like the Elixa or similar instruments with the Bionic 880 is like comparing apples with pears.
In comparison, the Bionic output and the frequencies are directed at cell stimulation, also skin problems, burns, allergies (skin), hormone regulation, etc. Besides the wave lengths and the special frequencies, waveforms play a major role. The Bionic frequencies do not lean toward Nogier frequencies, rather they developed their own puls-frequencies over a period of some 15 years, based on many healing experiences.
Dr. Woitzel agrees that with the Elixa and similar tools one cannot eradicate Borrelia/Lyme successfully. The Bionic 880 is not dependent on penetration. The output is considerably higher because it deals with incoherrent light. Elixa delivers I believe 228 mw; Bionic 880 has an output of 1600 mw. That is a major difference.
The Elixa and similar instruments can be helpful in home use. For severe illnesses, however, such as Lyme, no doctor is known to use it in practice as the Bionic is used. The last doctor I talked with confirmed that to be successful with Lyme, the core piece is the Bionic 880. Another M.D. I talked to cured his own Borreliosis with the Bionic.
I still do not have any idea why the instrument that we bought could not make it through in the mail. No one has an explanation, other than somebody blamed somebody blamed somebody and the package moved from one spot to the next, until I got tired of it.
From the owner of a Bionic in Canada, I heard that her instrument got through without any problems. She had it sent by freight, a couple of years ago. Mail is easier I think and it is such a light-weight instrument. I think with the solid case it weighs some ten pounds.
50 Infrared LEDs @880nm wavelength, Approximately 100 mw output each diode
40 Visible Red LEDs @650nm wavelength, Approximately 50mw output each diode, Totally 5200 mw (approximately) output
- Optical power - 200mW@ 880 nm and 2000 mc (millicandles) @ 650 nm.
Duty cycle - 50% yields 100mW (milliWatts) per Infrared LED.
Power density- Aapprox. 100mW per square cm.
Dosage rate, Lumen 90/264 - 1 joule/square cm in 16 seconds. I'm not sure how much light the body can absorb at one time. It may just be that you need to use a lower powered device for longer?
I think all of these things are very beneficial. Some of us just don't have the money to spend on expensive devices, though. I think there are benefits to be gained for using infrared light for healing.
I have seen that the frequencies that the Bionic 880 uses are different from the Nogier frequencies. I would be curious to see how the Bionic 880 company arrived at the frequency settings that they use. There are many other devices in use by the medical profession that use light as a basis for healing. If you search the internet, you will see them. There are many devices are being marketed, though. Some use lasers, some LEDs & some both. The Bionic 880 is only one of them. sparkle7 ------------------------------------
Manufacturer/Bionic 880 told me they would take a few more months to gain the FDA and UL approval
Here is the list of therapists, only licenced doctors and practitioners own it, who utilize the Bionic 880. It is probably not up-to-date. They are having seminars in different companies; last week in Holland and some other place.
I hesitate to put this list here because I know Lymies and their relentless pursuit. Please if you do call any of these people, do it in a polite and respectful way. I would highly recommend that the ones who cannot "mind their manners" stay away from contacting any of these people. We all know who these people are and you yourselves do know also. We all know how we are looked upon by the practitioner community and people in general - right or wrong, let's not make a mess of all. Not all of these therapists are using the Bionic 880 or forerunner for Lyme --- . Lyme is not on everybody's mind! I have copies of various letters by doctors and patients telling of their various exp[eriences going back into the early nineties. Lyme is only in the forefront in our minds - not with every single therapist using photons in practice. The instrument has been used for so many different problems, I am guessing --- some of them involved unrecognized Lyme. Who knows. It will be used for many other purposes in the future - I can tell that myself by the manner I am starting to use ours. ----------------------------------- Subject: Bionic 880 practitioners list, De
Biermann, Sonja Theresienstr. 17 01097 Dresden 0351-4220501 Dr. med Gruhl, Ursula Friedhofstr. 3 01189 Dresden-Gittersee 0351-4010943 HP Hellwing, Peter Freiberger Str. 17 01683 Nossen 035242-64120 Dr. Mittelbach Jens H�ttenm�hlenstr. 3 09429 Wolkenstein 037369-87171 HP Sason, Petra Paul-Lincke-Ufer 7 D. 10999 Berlin 030-69566802 HP Heinrich, Ralf Schlo�str. 26 12163 Berlin 030-79016533 Dr.med. Bock, Donatus Ostpreu�endamm 151 A 12207 Berlin 030-77395000 HP Ballschuh,Andrea Freiheit 12 12555 Berlin-K�penick 030-65488925 HP Jaster, Dorothea Parkallee 34 14532 Stansdorf 03329-62228 HP St�ber, Gisela Kirchstr. 2 16278 Angerm�nde 033334-70855 Dr. med. Jaehn, Detlev Z�richer Str. 59 16341 Panketal-Zep. 030-9446242 HP Kunzig, Klaus-Peter Heidberg 11 17398 Ducherow 039726-20269 HP Gey/Heitmann Paulstr. 48-55 18055 Rostock 0381-3644754 HP Wiese, Detlev Eichenweg 21 18059 Sildenow 0381-4003431 HP Ursinus, Lothar Frahmredder 14 22393 Hamburg 040-600112280 HP Mei�ner, Kurt Tangstetter-Landstr. 77 22415 Hamburg 040-5203094/5 Dr. M�ller, Christian Tangstetter-Landstr. 77 22415 Hamburg 040-5203094/5 Dr. Kunold, Marlene E. Torstr. 40 22525 Hamburg 040-85414245 HP Akerele, Caroline Jerrsbecker Str. 5 22941 Bargteheide 04532-8059 Dr. Ru�, Gerd S�derstr. 47 23769 Burg a. Fehmarn 04371-87864 Dr Trampe, Ralf Papenstr. 2e 23966 Wismar 03841-384583 Phys.T. Patzke, Theresa Fallreep 12 24159 Kiel 0431-300 46 00 HP Birn, Heilwig Hauptstr. 24 24357 Fleckeby 04354-1662 HP Heirich, Claus-Peter Schrammoor 30 24799 Friedrichsholm 04339-573 HP Bode-Wilbers, Magdalena Schulstr. 88 b 26180 Rastede 04402-989680 HP Menke, Wilfried J�rnweg 4/b 26215 Wiefelstede 0441-9620450 HP Strenge, Claus-A. Ubbo-Emmiusstr. 4 26603 Aurich 04941-68100 Dr. Kania, Horst Eisenbahnstr. 9 27580 Bremerhaven 0471-86331 HP Vulpescu, Dang Parkstr. 11 27580 Bremerhaven 0471-82460 Dr. med. Quick-Grottke, Almut K�the-Kollwitz-Str. 9 28717 Bremen 0421-633581 HP Sievers, Kerstin Goldener Winkel 14 30159 Hannover 0511-3538862 P.B. Schenkbier, Barbara Erich-Klausener-Str. 7 31139 Hildesheim 05121-208690 HP K�nemann, Anette Obershagener Str. 121 31311 Uetze-H�nigsen 05147-720627 HP Haeussler, Andreas Hangbaumstr. 2 32257 B�nde 05223-157747 HP Hartmeier, Torsten Osnabr�cker Str. 57 32312 L�bbecke 05741-230280 HP Bischoff, Wolfgang Rosenweg 3 32479 Hille-Rothen. 05734-2175 HP M�ller, Heinrich A. Bessinger Str. 10 32547 Bad Oeynhausen 05731-27138 Dr. Ing. Prinz, Heinz-J�rgen Lilienweg 6 33397 Rietberg 05244-8262 HP Winterbur, Walter Erlentruper Weg 56 33604 Bielefeld 0521-290708 HP Hoebel,Renate Donnerbrink 19 33619 Bielefeld HP Wende, Isolde Schultenstr. 14 33790 Halle (Westf.) 05201-4110 HP Stiebritz, Elisabeth Am Markt 1 33803 Steinhagen 05204-800612 HP Tiede, Katja Schlo�str. 26 33824 Bielefeld 05203-7156 �rztin Hauenstein G. Triftweg 9c 34125 Kassel 0561-875890 � Pfeiffer-B�hme, D. Neue Siedlung 6 35080 Bad Endbach-H�tte 02776-911918 HP Nigmann, Ulfrike Obertor 8 35083 Welter 06423-6253 HP Ringleb, Ulrike R�dchen 20 35625 H�ttenberg-Vollnkirchen 06447-8860350 HP Welsch, Silvia Buttlarstr. 18 36284 Hohenroda-Mansbach 06676-317 � Armbrecht, Sabine Am Goldbach 6 37354 Ei�dorf 05522-999930 Dr. Weishaupt, Werner Schlopweg 14 38259 Salzgitter 05341-392715 HP-Psy. Seel�nder, Andrea Weferlinger Str. 11 38459 Saalsdorf 05358-984994 HP Redlich, Dieter Oberstr. 43 39288 Burg 03921-3192 Dr. Redlich, Elke Breitestr. 19 39291 Schermen 03921-985769 Dr. Hoffmann, Cornelia Rather Broich 25 40472 D�sseldorf 0211-653599 HP Bessing, Wolf-Dieter Nord Carree 9 40477 D�sseldorf 021-1645678 Dr. Feistner, Johannes Oberkasseler Str. 99 40545 D�sseldorf 0211-552572 HP Hentschel, J�rg Benderstr. 93 40625 D�sseldorf 0211-2097947 HP Hentschel, Martina Sandtr�ger Weg 24a 40626 0211-278108 � Ulrich, Bernd NecklenbroicherStr. 71 40667 Meerbusch-B�d. 02132-3458 A Krause, Ellen Wallstr. 10 40878 Ratingen 02102-845577 Dr. Sommermeier,Sigrid Im L�hrchen 3 40878 Ratingen 02102-26884 HP Rose, Wolfgang Andreasstr. 63 41749 Viersen 02162-80788 HP Eschweiler, Stefan S�dprommenade 26 41812 Erkelenz 02431-4766 Dr. med. Otoo, Emmanuel Schuchardstr. 28 42275 Wuppertal 0202-558957 Dr.med. Mengeler, Siegfried Bahnhofstr. 5 42551 Velbert 02051-207780 HP Rosse, Silvia Bahnhofstr.15 44623 Herne 02323-146699 HP Fringes, Kerstin Am Schamberge 50 44879 Bochum 0234-4769578 HP Jacob,M. +Grabosch, R. Heidhauser Str.52 45239 Essen 0201-177 55 44 HP Langova, Alice L�tzowstr. 96 46147 Oberhausen 0208-687 888 Dr. Heiderich-Niesen, M Blumenstr. 8 46236 Bottrop 02041-778404 HP Lauber, Petra Gl�ck-Auf-Str. 301 46284 Dorsten 0173-2528925 G.T. Maats, J.P. Adenauerallee 72 46399 Bocholt 02871-7655 HP Alan M. �zel Ferdinandstr. 9 47228 Duisburg 02065-839211 HP Lamers, Theo Dechantshof 46 47551 Bedburg-Hau 02821-973860 HP Brass, Margret K�lner Str. 526 47807 Krefeld-Fi. 02151-308130 HP Miserre, Michael Kappenberger Damm 243 48151 M�nster 0251-1623676 Dr. med. Stasing, Elke Hammer Str. 30 48153 M�nster 0251-5347113 HP Schwaer, Gerda Ginsterweg 1 48155 M�nster 0251-3111053 HP, HAT Lenze, Bettina Gremmendorfer Weg 89 48167 M�nster 0251-2705757 HP Engeln, Gabriele Bursibantstr, 3 48429 Rheine 05971-84882 HP Mammes, Heinrich Wettringer Str. 4 48585 Neuenkirchen 05973-3332 Dr Deiters, Brigitte-P Amelandsbr�ckenweg 17 48599 Gronau 02565-3432 HP Timbul, K. Nahner Kirchplatz 1 49082 Osnabr�ck 0541-55050 Dr. Meyer, Ingrid Hogenb�gen 60 49429 Visbek 04445-1574 HP Trame, Sylvia Robert-Bosch-Ring 21 49584 F�rstenau 05901-958822 Psy.T. Fr�hlich, Ursula Krankenhausstr. 38-40 50243 H�rth-Herm�lheim 02233-613560 HP Weber, Peter Riehler Platz 5 50668 K�ln 0221-732102 HP Soete, Wilfried Rotkehlchenweg 1 50829 K�ln 0221-9589913 HP Eren, Sema D�rener-Str. 199 50931 K�ln 0221-401051 Dr. med. Alt, Helga u. Udo Am Beethovenpark 28 50935 K�ln 0221-468 00 66 Dres. 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I have been off abx for 7 days now and no relapse only getting better, since I used the self-made LED array.
This is my biggest victory over the LD, and my heart is overflown with joyfulness, and I would like to share the happiness.
Before I couldn't get off abx for more than two days; seven days off abx, I would become very sick.
Since I fell ill two and a half year ago, this is the first time I feel so optimistic towards my health that I would be completely recovered soon ; I have seen the light at the end of the tunnel.
I feel that the near infrared lights (from 600nm to 1000nm)would play a major role in fighting chronic diseases like Lyme disease.
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Hiker, I don't know. I emailed the doctor to set up an appt. and have asked how long we need to stay. We are not going to cut the trip short.
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Dave6002, it may go as high as 1300nm. The light helmet used for Alzheimers is at 1072. 1072 seems to be agressive to both viruses and bacteria for some reason. More studies are needed, but for herpes symplex cold sores 1072nm heals two times faster then the normally prescribed Alclovir. I put the clinical studies in sparkle's post on light (good idea sparkle!).
It good to have a post specifically on light because this is so new and the studies are so new it is difficult to determine which wave length does what. 880nm is very important for the immune system. 1072 might be important for inflammation and might also directly kill pathogens (1268nm may also be a pathogen killer).
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Bob, I have read the information, very interesting, you provided.
Does 1072nm penetrate better, so it's used in a light helmet to cure Alzheimers?
Scientists found that the NIR lights with wavelength that overlap with the absorption spectrum of cytochrome C oxidase have better effects on cells.
So the present prevalent hypothesis is that NIR lights increase the ATP production of mitochodria, which are the power plants of the cells, and play an critical role in regulating cell death.
With the increase of ATP, mitochodria may deliver survival signal rather death signal, so the cell may be more energetic and has longer life span.
In the case of healing herpes symplex cold sores, it's unclear if 1072nm kill the viruses directly, or by strengthen the immune cells.
It's known some high energy EMF like UV can kill bacteria and viruses directly, it would be very interesting to explore if the NIR lights (and what wavelength) can directly kill pathogens but spare the host cells.
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DETOXING IS SO IMPORTANT!!!
Throughout my entire treatment, the doctor has had to perform a balancing act between killing and detoxing. A little killing followed by alot of detoxing.
It took about 5 mths to get me back up and operational. I have been running on all cylinders pretty much since then with minor setbacks here and there. I am not well yet. It is a long, long process but I fully expect to be completely healed.
However, I have to be very wary of any and everything. If I rushed over and did the Bionic 880 like others are doing, I would most certainly come back in worse shape. In fact, the more effective the 880 is at killing, the worse shape I would be in.
So, when I hear that people feel worse, I just nod my head and think "Yep. I can relate to that feeling." And, to me, it confirms the effectiveness of the treatment. Just like when you take an abx and it makes you feel worse.
Here is some really good information that applies to all of us. You can pull every post I have ever made and consistently you will hear me say 2 things: 1-that didn't work for me, it made me feel worse 2-Change of diet made the most significant improvement to date.
Now, diet hasn't made the only improvement. How nice it would be if that were so. Everything the doctors have done for me has advanced my healing. Just diet was the first and most significant.
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I don't post much, as I'm not the brightest bulb in the pack folks. But, I find this light stuff quite interesting.
Several years ago we started using "Bio-scan lights" on our horses with injuries. The expected healing time on some of these horses was shortened from months to days.
Also, horses with long standing issues (considered permanent) were cleared up and they became happy, useful animals again.
Seeing success with the horses this way has this making some sense and bringing some hope to me.
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Luvs, that is what I have thought, too, that some people who come back worse may really be Lyme free but toxic.
The Bionic 880 assists with detox, but I can see how it might take longer to clear out all the toxins.
I am with you on diet .... I managed my Lyme Disease undiagnosed with diet and supplements for literally years. In fact, my friends all wondered how I had so much more energy than they did. Diet is critical (and I don't just mean sugar free, I actually am not sugar free).
Leadmare, funny, my son is fascinated with my Lightworks and found that site about Bioscan. Thanks for posting that. With Lyme, many of us are not the brightest bulb in the pack, please keep posting. We'd love to hear some of the specifics about your horses. I have read a lot about how these lights are used on animals ... as with Lyme, it seems the vets are ahead of the curve on this.
Everyone I've been thinking about the light that kills vs. the light that builds the immune system. Do you think that the light that builds the immune system to do it's own killing might actually be why the light works fast? Do you think that maybe doing the killing with the light might actually make it more similar to abx and not only not get it all but take longer to do it?
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From what I have been experiencing is that he light reduces the pain, causes a die off - then it detoxifies...
I was mostly using the 880 nm side. I was having intestinal pain & alot of shoulder pain, yesterday - so, I decided to try the 660 nm side.
I feel better today. I still have some intestinal pain but it's less & my shoulder pain is less.
I don't know how the light is working on a technical level.
For some reason I was really compelled to use the 880 side but the 660 side has benefits, too.
It would be interesting to see how all of these different wavelengths effect the body as we get more studies. Maybe it's good to use a range of wavelengths rather than focusing on only 880 nm?
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quote: It appears that some wave length between these 632 and 904 nanometers, is closer to the optimum frequency of the cells of the body tissue and thus the broadband infrared diode which operates rather broad band, centered at about 880 nanometers, is found extremely useful.
I'm with Luvs2ride in the detox dept. I don't do so well there. That is what has stopped me from trying the Boi-scan so far.
They do make a human version.
We have used it mostly on deep tissue, tendon, ligament and muscle injuries/issues on the horses.
My friend did use it on her sprained ankle and it helped her
I see my Doc on Monday and will ask about using it.
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Sparkle, Every other day I use the light works at 660nm and move it along the large intestines. I start at the appendix 4 minutes there. Then 3 minutes about three more spots moving from appendix to rib cage. Then 4 spots vertically moving from rib cage to rib cage. Then 3 more spots moving downard. Then the small intestine about 4 minutes for 3 spots to the left and righ and including the belly button. Finally the groin. Last I position it on my back just under the rib cage just to the side of the spine again at 660nm for 4 minutes to heal and help the kidneys eliminate toxins.
I now believe this is very helpful for those who have compromised their intestines with ABX. I also think it helps the good bacteria gain a better foothold on the intestinal walls. I'm now able to eat anything without repercussions.
Also while your doing this, It might be a good idea to put some aloe in water for a morning drink.
BTW, I think this can be done every day if you have the time.
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Anyone know the effect of the light on cytokines?
My LLMD thinks that when I use something like transfer factor to stimulate my immune system it may be the cytokines that make me feel so bad.
He has me on fewer immune stimulating herbs.
So, I was wondering where these lights fit in.
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Six the 660nm reduces pain the 880nm does not. If you are having pain target the paddle directly on top of it. Hold it there for 8 minutes in the morning and 8 minutes in the evening. See if any reduction occurs. I've had success with tennis elbow doing just that.
Hopefully that helps
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Six I found the following link specific to 660 and 684nm as a way to reduce inflammation:
The following is the conclusion from the link again specific to 660nm and 684nm:
quote:CONCLUSION Our results suggest that LLLT induces an anti-inflammatory reaction that may modulate transcription factors linked to mRNA expression of pro-inflammatory cytokines. Further studies are needed in this novel area to elucidate the exact mechanism of action of LLLT in reducing inflammation.
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Thanks for posting that Bob - will the wonders of the LightWorks cease?
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Thanks Bob (and Sparkle, I saw your post on the other thread). So, I guess I should be using the 660 side and maybe it won't make me feel bad like the 880 side seems to?
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Bob,
I used the 880nm infrared side for my arthritic toe and it definitely relieved the pain! Hiker53
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The problem I'm having Hiker, is not that the 880 side doesn't help with pain (it does help), it's that I end up so fatigued I'm not functional.
I'll give the 660 side a try next week .... my grandma is coming for a visit this weekend and I'd like to be getting around better than her.
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Six said:
I'll give the 660 side a try next week .... my grandma is coming for a visit this weekend and I'd like to be getting around better than her.
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One thing to keep in mind. 660nm, 1072nm and 880nm are in a way light supplements. They are a way of providing extra beyond sunlight which has all the light frequencies our bodies normally need. I guess in a way we need extra to fight an organism that is preventing us from being normal.
There is talk about EMF changes, what about atmospheric changes globally. Is there a change to how light frequencies that are delivered now compared to 100 years ago. Is there less 660nm now or less bioavailable because other light frequencies are not as prevalent?
Our environment is dramatically changing, it seems we to know more about what has changed and what we can do about it.
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adding informational quotes from another thread. If you'd like any of your quoted material removed, please reply on this thread and I will do so (I have PM turned off).
Gigi:
Some time ago, I sent a similar "alert" on one of the threads surrounding the Bionic 880 and other light instruments, and I want to repeat it here for everyone interested.
This is simply a message that I would like people to have, because basically the discussions with various other light instruments were brought about by my original post on the benefits of the Bionic 880.
I am in frequent contact with Dr. W. who has been using the Bionic 880 for eight years helping to clear out Lyme Disease peranently for many, many patients. I am also in contact with others who are using and are very familiar with the instrument.
My husband is clearly Lyme and co-infection free (after nine treatments) and we are working on some of the collateral/residual problems, especially clearing the toxic heavy metals from the body which was very difficult for him as long as he was still Lyme infected. He is doing extremely well, and now in need of good physical therapy to rebuild.
Since I have always had an interest in anything that might help anyone, I asked the question again, about the use of different lights, and have been told again that: ( I am translating here as good as I can)
``The Bionic 880 and its forerunner have been tested and changed as needed over a period of years to become a successful instrument, for many different applications, but especially for Borrelia infections. Certain frequencies and nosodes are the activators, aimed at a planned /intended reaction. If the frequencies used are not suitable/correct/the right ones that have proven themselves; if the power/strength is not available ; if the proper nosodes are not used; any or all these can elicit what is referred to a disarray (I liken it to a mess - gg), i.e. uncontrollable reactions and awakening of encapsulated diseases can or may happen = A breaking out or outbreak of uncontrolled/uncontrollable reactions.''
Having worked with the Bionic 880 now for a number of weeks and other lights/lasers long before that, I have learned not to underestimate the power of light. This is what I want to share.
Take care and be well.
heiwalove: hi GiGi, thanks for your message. good to see you back here, and REALLY good to hear your husband continues to improve. [Smile]
i think the people experimenting with the lightworks (i'm not one of them, i'm just making an educated guess from reading the lightworks threads) know they are doing just that -- experimenting -- and realize the many possible dangers that come with using one's body as a guinea pig.
unfortunately, due to limited funds and the nature of the illness and the lyme controversy, lots of us are left to experiment on ourselves in any way we can in an attempt to get better. it's not always safe, but i think that's how we learn; by brave people willing to try untested treatments on themselves. and so far it seems like lots of folks are having positive results from the lightworks, and i'm happy for them!
take good care, and much love to you and your husband.
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Keebler: evgen -
some of the posts about the Bionic 880, very sadly, have been deleted.
Still, you might search here for any threads that still exist.
More than 100 patients with borreliosis were treated successfully with the bio-photone-therapy. The treatment profile is described as follows:
Bionic 880: Borreliosis-ampuls D5, D6, D8, D10, D12, D15, D30, D60, D100, D200. Settings on the Bionic 880: Power 100%, frequency F3, time: 395 sec.
Treatments: Fix the 10 borrelioses-nosodes below the sternum. These 8 points are treated: both inner wrists, both ears, the frontal part of the brain (�3. eye``), 7. chakra/limbic system, thymus, solar plexus.
Each point is treated for 395 seconds. Cycle of treatment: twice a week for three weeks, then examination. Is the test result positive, another treatment follows. After that, a month of waiting.
A total of 108 patients were treated and put under observation for a year. 90% of the treatments were successful. Reconvalescence of patients who were treated constantly with antibiotics took several weeks longer.
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herxuk: What I can't Fathom is, if the 9 treatments have been a cure, why buy the Bionic 880 and bring it home.
Have I got some information wrong here, ??? Am I making a mistake. ? Apologize, If I have got this wrong.
Keebler: No matter how you cut this, healing is a process.
Even if lyme were to disappear in all of us tonight, we have heavy metals, other viruses and infections, etc. to come to terms with and the healing of tissue.
The absence of an infection will not automatically heal tissue. Healing is a process that requires an evolution of support. Light helps support tissue / cells to heal as much as they can. But you can't force it. It takes time.
That's how I see it.
Gigi: Herxuk, yes, you might be missing the fact that Lyme Disease is a multifactorial disease. It is never only Lyme. I don't know any Lymie who only has Lyme and have met hundreds over the years. So some of the problems can be dealt with and (hopefully) repaired after Lyme is eradicated. My husband no longer has Lyme Disease. It's dead gone. Now we are taking care of the collaterals. A major event is that the body now lets go of heavy metals. This was always and still is Dr. K.'s mantra - they go together. You can't get rid of one unless you get rid of the other. Microbes love the metals, and metals are wrapped up in fungi, cholesterol, biofilm, etc, the body's way to protect itself from the deadly onslaught of toxic heavy metals. Now that the photon treatment, the complete protocol, has taken care of and eradicated all Lyme and co-infections, the body is starting to release the heavy metals and needs little urging to let go. But one has to be prepared and protect for the fallout - to avoid redistribution and resettling of the metals elsewhere. They easily are absorbed in the gut and start their merry journey all over again. We are trying to not let this happen. So I treat -- again with photons and respective protocols.
I am fully convinced that the toxic metals create the fitting environment for the pathogens to settle in. Dr. K.: "there is a direct relationship between the amount of microbes that live in you and the amount of toxic metals". From my perspective: Now the microbes are gone and the metals are leaving.
If you can't get rid of fungi and associated problems, think heavy metals. Lyme may be long gone. Something to think about.
I do energetic testing to find the problem and treat. Most of you do not believe in energetic testing, so in order to avoid another "debate", I will not explain it. But due to the lack of conclusive heavy metal lab testing -- (they only tell what is coming out - they don't tell how much and where it remains in the body) I test energetically the way I was trained and with this help we weave our way through the ups and downs of the detox hoping to avoid healing crises. Being patient helps.
Knowing that we do not deal with Lyme any longer feels like the most precious gift!
Keebler, you are so wise and understand. Thank you.
Take care.
P.S. I am treating a good friend right now with the Bionic880. He finished his 5th treatment today and has cleared all the different potencies of nosodes. The Lyme is gone. He had relatively little fallout from the Lyme, no herxheimer reaction whatsoever, a little pinch here and there, made sure he did wading in the river to push the lympathics or used our Air Energy and Chi-machine. Took lots of organ support (tested energetically) and did not suffer at all.
He is a Klinghardt patient and has done a lot of detoxing work. This finalizes the Lyme Disease and all co-infections until retesting a month from now and several monthly checks after that to make sure all remains gone.
He already tested energetically for heavy metals today - no metal showed when tested until today, the fifth treatment. So we will wait a bit and then approach that.
I am following the Dr. W. protocol to the T. I test everything before we start the instrument. And absolutely no nosodes without the photons in certain frequencies. Nosodes deserve respect.
And no abx when treating with photons - should be stopped a while before treatments start. With abx, the bugs go hide and the treatments fail. Average number of treatments is 5 - 8. My husband needed 9. Structural problems have to be addressed also. Dr. W. does chiropractic work and a number of other modalities to handle that part. I use a Scenar (for home use)on my husband and myself. Google it if you don't know what it is.
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how come we have not heard from the other two people who went to germany and did the bionic 880 treatments but still had symptoms afterwards???
i cannot remember their usernames. but i am very curious to see how they are making out now that it has been some time since their returns to the us!
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They were chased away and the threads were deleted.
The one who's husband was receiving treatment and did not see improvement is doing better. He was declared to be Lyme-free but was still symptomatic. He was recommended to see an osteopath and is seeing improvement now.
The other one, I haven't heard about.
I spoke with a lady who is over there with her two children. One child saw improvement starting at the second treatment. The other child had not seen improvement at the time I spoke to her.
I don't think I'll be talking to her again .... Dr. W had asked her to call me to answer questions about my appt in Oct.
I will keep a blog about my treatment while I'm there and I'm sure there will be a thread for discussion. I am going with someone else from the board.
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when you mean the husband, do you mean the one out in the pnw or was/is he part of the other two groups/individuals that went over (there were 3 total on this board, i am not inquiring about the pnw couple, we know of their successes!).
there was one who was over there but came back symptomatic and one whose child came back feeling symptomatic as well. did they improve once they tackled things after returning to the usa? thanks again john
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John, the husband I am talking about is not the Pacific NW hubby .... he's the other one who came back symptomatic. He is seeing improvement with the other recommended treatments. I don't know specifics.
The third, I know nothing about.
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Well folks - I leave for Germany in just about two weeks. 6goofy, steelbone and I were all hoping to have a lymie party there but they couldn't get in the same time as me
I am antibiotic free for three weeks and feeling quite well most days. Extremely well on some days.
I will do my best to keep you posted while I am there.
In case anyone has unreasonable expectations - I want to let you know in advance that I am missing 1/4 of a vertebrae from a compression fracture that the bugs have been loving and will most likely be doing some metal detoxing when I get back.
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NanDubo,
Best wishes in Germany and keep us posted when you are not consuming ale in the pubs!
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Sorry, Hiker and Nano, there is no ale and there are no pubs in Germany. They haven't quite made it across the channel yet. But do pick out a nice Konditorei -- there are several, one a mile or two down the winding road in the famous spa from where you are staying -- heavenly! Don't miss it.
Our car found it blindfolded!
Take care.
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Sorry, Gigi, I used the wrong terminology. All I know is I enjoyed the beer when I was in Germany many years ago. Of course the wine was excellent as well. Hiker53
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Did you say famous spa??? I'm a lot more interested in that than beer!!! (and beer put me through college .... no, I didn't drink it, Dad sold it, LOL).
GiGi, I've been listening to German tapes. I thought it might be nice to at least know the basics when I'm there! How much can I learn in two months, LOL.
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Good luck in germany Nanadubo.
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Are you doing the treatment in Germany or bringing a unit back? Are they allowing them into the US now? If so, would you be willing to educate those of us here who can't travel to Germany on the Bionic 880?
If it really does work, it needs to find its way into the US. Any smugglers on lymenet?
Or at least certainly let us know if it worked for you!
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Six, that is not correct. We did not have to pay any duty on the instrument. I explained that on my original post.
When returning home we declared the Bionic 880 on the required Customs form, with exactly the amount we paid for the instrument.
We did not, however, have to pay any duty on the instrument. We told the customs officer that it is for our own use and not for resale.
I am sure that our first instrument did not come through when I originally had it sent because of some fluke. Nobody could explain why it was just sitting there going nowhere; so I got tired of waiting and had it returned to the sender.
For an instrument that is not for sale and for self-use only, with the proper identification as a light type tool for self use and pain control, there is little or no duty. If I had to do it over again and did not have the means to go overthere to bring it back, I would have it shipped again. The identification is important. I would not label it as an infrared light or any such thing. The shipper should assist in giving it the proper name, so that it doesn't look like a dangerous instrument.
Hundreds or thousands of such lights come into the country every day. If there is duty, it is minimal. It costs less than anyone purchasing one in Germany because if shipped or taken out personally there is no Value Added Tax of 19% to be paid. The shipper has to clear it through German export to exclude that tax from what the foreigner pays.
If you have any questions, feel free to e-mail me personally. [email protected]
I have become very reluctant reporting anything here because of the "bad press" I received when I first posted about the success of the Bionic treatment. It was disgusting.
Let me reassure you, the instrument works eradicating Lyme.. If you have any problem remaining after treatment that has been done exactly to protocol it most likely is caused by other than Lyme or co-infections.
One thing that has to be addressed for certain is that if your back and neck is out of alignment and structural problems persist, that needs to be corrected. Dr. W. is fully equipped for that because he finds that to be a major problem. If you have been forced to walk a different way because pain kept you from doing it the way nature had intended, the outflow of toxins is hindered. Our CNS/spine is a major roadway. The energy has to be flowing from occiput to butt, but often the heavy metals are more of a problem there than Lyme. If you don't think you have a heavy metal problem and just Lyme, think again. I have posted on that for the last eight years. There is no way around it. If you live on this planet, metal contamination is a problem for the majority of ill people.
We use the tool often, but especially for heavy metal detox now. My husband had to have two extra Lyme treatments after the six he received in Germany. That is one reason why Dr. W. has patients coming back once a months for at least four months to make certain all Lyme is gone. All the people in Germany I have talked with had to do this. None I talked with had a relapse of any sort. Now my husband as well as I am lymefree for over a month. He is a different man today than he was two-three months ago.
We are using the instrument for hormone balancing, and for treating anything else that should not be in the body, such as heavy metals. My husband tested positive for polio (from vaccines, I am certain) that raised its ugly head years ago and now again. I treat it in the same manner I treat Lyme with the proper nosodes. Epstein Barr used to be a big problem for him, but it seems to be gone, without extra treatment. Just the proper setting on the Bionic and Lyme nosodes.
Everything I do, if I do not have an ART person available, I use my Biotensor which I was taught by Dr. W. and it works great. When I do not have a third person to do ART testing and have done it without, the results always agree 100% with my Biotensor testing. We have not had to pay a doctor bill since we returned -- that is great news. And my husband is steadily improving. From the ten or so different toxic metals that I used to find when testing him, now I find three or four. All good things take time. At his age, that is a miracle.
Take care.
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Gigi, you give us all something to look forward to and a bit of light in this often difficult journey. Thanks for sharing all that you do. It means the world to many of us.
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Sorry GiGi, I was just going by memory and sometimes it's not very good. I'll correct my post.
My mom had "infantile paralysis", now called Polio, when she was a child. That along with the vaccine ... I am sure I'd test positive for it. She actually had no ongoing physical disabilities .... at 68 she even teaches Jazzercise.
Did you get nosodes for Polio? How did you test for that?
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quote:Did you get nosodes for Polio? How did you test for that? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
What a great Mom!
Six, I tested with ART and/or Biotensor; or if you have access to EAV, Biocom, etc. Usually I come up with same results using ART or Biotensor. With ART, one should have 3 people (tester, middle person, and testee (patient or client) These methods are now used all over the world. Good training and healthy energy is important. Energy medicine at its best. Even Dr. Oz and Oprah talked today about Energy Medicine! Yes, and I use Polio nosodes.
I treat it because it may be an obstacle for the body releasing other unwanteds. It had been showing up in my husband on and off for many years, and now with the Bionic it is gone, just as the Lyme is gone including all co-infections. Very gone!
Take care.
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quote:Originally posted by lymie_in_md: Six the 660nm reduces pain the 880nm does not.
That's interesting that you describe using the 660nm light to decrease pain. I've had a three-light 660 nm Trilight hand-held unit for many years (also comes as one light or multiple-light wand). When I've waved it over swollen joints, the pain goes down.
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Thanks, GiGi. I do plan on learning some kind of energy testing. I know the very basics. I can have my husband test me for basic things. I can test my kids. But I need to learn more for the Bionic.
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I ordered the Biotensor Gigi talks about. It will be waiting for me in Germany. Most of the books I have been able to find are in German - except for one or two.
I am hoping Dr. W will be able to show me how to use it Posts: 1129 | From Maine | Registered: Feb 2008
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Nano, how much did it cost and do I need to order it before I go or can I get it while I'm over there? Thanks.
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Robin123 -- I'm glad you had a positive experience using LWRKS at 660nm and could relate to it. 880nm is powerful as well especially for lyme, I'm convinced after using the lightworks. Which is an underpowered version of the bionic 880 or the lumina 900 by heliohealth still be very helpful. I am interested in the more powerful units.
I think in the end we'll find that a combination of light wave frequencies is best. As long as they are energetically tested specific to the person.
Thinking out loud, these are my evalution of frequencies, 450nm for about 10 minutes a day over the naval (UV-A). To do blood irradiation of pathogens. 660nm (630nm is probably better) targets to places of severe pain for inflammation relieve and cell regeneration & repair. 880nm for energetic stimulation of cells as well as regeneration but different then 660nm as well as detoxification. 1072nm used in the helmet for actually killing pathogens directly (this is a guess) based on the use of led helmet so far and research papers I've read. 1072nm for detoxification not sure about cell regeneration or repair. It might be a good guess it would do neural regeneration.
My point is what we are discovering the value of frequencie other then just 880, and like robin123, 660nm has been wonderful for my tennis elbow (630nm) is probably better.
The question is to figure the best combination and to get practioners savvy enough to energetically test for it.
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bioplasma.de About $350 US You can also get it at Dr. W office as I understand.
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They aren't as fancy as the German Biotensors but they probably work well with a little practice. There's one around $25.
I just use a pendulum... I'm used to using it.
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It just so happened that I got my biotensor www.bioplasma.de while at Dr. W. I merely got the brand name he uses and did my own ordering there when I happened to be at his office. Unfortunately, at that time I could not pay for the tensor with credit card. Bioplasma does not take them. People do not pay with credit cards as we do here in this country. So you have to make other arrangements. Dr. W.'s office has nothing to do with it - it happens that Dr. W. uses the same one for a number of years and that's the one that felt good to me after having tried numerous others over the years. It is an extremely well made and very sensitive one, which is not the case with many others I had tried. So it depends on what your aim is. I am after fine and accurate testing, percentage testing, etc. and that's why I chose the more expensive kind. I am guarding it and will be using it for many years.
So please check around if you decide to get a biotensor.
Take care.
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