RZR
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My body pH is too high. Could this be the reason I cannot get rid of parasites?
I tried changing my body pH through diet, but it is not working.
Can someone please recommend a good supplement that will work?
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I think that chlorella helps with this. But I am not sure if this will interact with other herbs and supplements. It is a binder used with cilantro for detoxing heavy metals.
Also, I have read that plaquenel changes the Ph so that ABX (biaxin) can work better.
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pHenomenal by PerfectBalance, at forperfectbalance.com, is something to consider. It is good for me. They also have AlkAlign, or something like that, which isn't good for me but perhaps for you. I am also taking their salicinium, which is supposed to help kill anaerobic bugs.
There may be many options for your situation. I had a doc recommend baking soda as well, although that did not work for me.
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What are you taking to get rid of parasites and for how long?
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quote:Originally posted by glm1111: What are you taking to get rid of parasites and for how long?
Gael
Been switching protocol around for 2 years.
I did Dr. K's protocol of pharmaceuticals 3 times.
I have also taken Parastroy with Kroeger Wormwood and extra cloves for many months at a time.
Then I will go back and do pharmaceuticals again....sometimes the whole Dr. K protocol again, other times Albendazole and Ivermectin, etc.
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Does any of the above make you herx or expel any parasites? Was it you who said they couldn't tolerate salt/c?
If you can tolerate it at even a very low dose, it might be the catalyst to kick these buggers out.
It was for me after 6 mos of 16 caps a day of antiparasitic herbs. What happens when you do salt/c? Just trying to help you figure this out.
Gael
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I am treating parasites right now. My Dr says parasites like acidic environments and getting your body alkaline makes the parasites stay put-- which you must do in order to kill them-- basically they cant go hide.
So she has me taking Coral Legend http://www.phpure.com/coral-legend-qn-2-oz . And to test my urine first thing in the morning to make sure its alkaline. Then she started treating me for parasites (with herbs i muscle tested for).
I continue on the Coral throughout treatment so the parasites stay put. I take about 1/2 a teaspoon 2 times a day.
I will also note that i did Dr K's protocol last year and am still testing positive for parasites even after that....so now i'm treating it differently.
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HI Whitney.
I sent you a PM. I'm interested in your protocol. I have been really looking at the ph thing lately, but did not know it effects parasites.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by glm1111: Does any of the above make you herx or expel any parasites? Was it you who said they couldn't tolerate salt/c?
If you can tolerate it at even a very low dose, it might be the catalyst to kick these buggers out.
It was for me after 6 mos of 16 caps a day of antiparasitic herbs. What happens when you do salt/c? Just trying to help you figure this out.
Gael [/QUOTE I expel parasites daily if I do a coffee enema....skip enema, no parasites next day. So, I don't know if the herbs work or if it's just the coffee.
I feel like I am herxing constantly....babs, bart, parasites.
When I tried Salt/C in the past, some lab values were really abnormal and the herx was brutal. Maybe I will try again.
Is there anything I need to do to replace electrolytes?
Thank you for trying to help....appreciate you!
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Try not eating meat. Apple cider vinegar might help.
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If you are expelling parasites daily, then the antiparasitics are def working. Sometimes they just get stuck on the way out in the lower colon.
The salt/c helps to flush them out, but even when i was expelling a lot of parasites,
I also got more out with warm water enemas. Parasites can cause the high ph also. GiGi has posted that we need to be acidic to expel parasites and toxins.
I herxed everyday when I had tons of parasites come out. Sounds like the antiparasitics are working, just keep flushing the dying ones out.
Everything you are doing is actually working because you are getting results. Just keep going. Coconut water is great for balancing electrolytes.
If you try the salt/c again you can start with as little as 1/8 tsp each per day and ramp up very slowly with very small amounts.
Good luck,
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If your pH is too high that means you are too alkaline (not acid). From what I read, acid is better for getting rid of parasites. Stomach acid is the first line of defense for killing parasites... (if I recall correctly)
There are alot of fads these days that say it's better to be alkaline as opposed to being too acid. Acid is what is causing cancers, etc. I don't think this is true or it could be true if you have cancer...?. I think that the body need balance or homeostasis - I don't think one is better than the other.
Just my beliefs based on what I have read. The doctor who cures cancer with baking soda does not believe in a diet to change pH. Some people are using baking soda & maple syrup to treat cancer - I heard an interview with him that said he does ot believe that this works.
So - I think balance is key but for parasites, you may need to be more acidic. Just my opinion...
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PS - I just found this... It presents an alternative view of what I just wrote. I don't know? It probably depends of which parasite is infecting you. They all have different characteristics.
I guess I'll have to give it some further thought - as usual...
Parasites prefer an acid pH to live in and often cause a worsening of pH wherever they choose to infest. This is due in part to their secretion of numerous toxins which imbalance pH, creating too much acidity which in turn, can cause the body to enter into a emergency ammonia state.
In this emergency state, the body may appear to be highly alkaline when testing the first morning urine pH, but in reality, there is a high acidity condition which has become masked by the body�s emergency production of ammonia to buffer the acidity.
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Also, the cancer doctor I mention above (Dr. Simoncini) injects baking soda into the tumor in a special way. This is how he cures cancer. It's not through diet.
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I made a mistake....my body pH is too low, not high. Saliva test is 6.0.
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I was always a big believer in having a good diet, etc. I know people who eat a pretty trashy diet (S.A.D. - standard American diet) as per my observation - and they are alot healthier than me...
There are pros & cons of the Alkaline diet. It may be a fad. I think the body balances itself. Eating alot of sugar or too much meat & junkfoods is not good in any case. I don't know if it's really that important to try to alkalinize over & above the usual. People might disagree but I don't know if there is actual science in this diet concept.
Too much alkaline is probably no good either. I believe that we need stomach acid to digest food. I wouldn't really want to dowse it with alkaline & get rid of it. I think there is someone who posts here who was too alkaline. I won't name names but she may respond.
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RZR,
Are you taking digestive enzymes or HCL with your food? You might need more acid in your stomach to help move the parasites out.
When we are sick, we can become depleted in both enzymes and HCL. Something you might want to consider. Both are antiparasitic as well.
I really like Super Digestaway by Soloray. It has pancreatin and ox bile as well as papaya, bromelain, aloe vera and some other ingredients I can't recall right now.
Gael
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quote:Originally posted by sparkle7: ... I don't know if there is actual science in this diet concept.
Dr Otto Warburg won a Nobel Prize in 1931 for his research on the effects of oxygen in our cells and its role in cancer. http://kangenwell.com/the-root-cause-of-cancer-by-nobel-prize-winner/ (I'm not promoting the water product here but it gives a great little synopsis of Dr. Warburg)
Acidic bodies and cells have lower levels of oxygen which gives cancer and other diseases the opportunity to grow. The goal of keeping our bodies slightly more alkaline is to keep our cells full of oxygen so that they can naturally fight off cancer and other diseases.
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quote:Originally posted by glm1111: RZR,
Are you taking digestive enzymes or HCL with your food? You might need more acid in your stomach to help move the parasites out.
When we are sick, we can become depleted in both enzymes and HCL. Something you might want to consider. Both are antiparasitic as well.
I really like Super Digestaway by Soloray. It has pancreatin and ox bile as well as papaya, bromelain, aloe vera and some other ingredients I can't recall right now.
Gael
No, I don't take digestive enzymes or HCL. I tried Super DigestAway a year ago but did not feel any effects, so stopped it. Guess I should try again.
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Your ph should be in a certain range. Urine should be from 6.4 to 7.0. If you are too high or too low it is not good.
The reason I know this is that I recently did an experiment in biology lab. The oxygen levels will be off if the ph is out of balance. I saw it with my own eyes, that's why I'm taking this ph issue very serious.
The ph has an effect on our enzymes which cause everything to work properly. It's a big deal.
I spoke to the guy at this company. http://www.phpure.com/coral-legend-qn-2-oz He says Lyme patients are having results with high doses of HCL. This does not make you more acidic. I know confusing.
I just found this link that talks about the protocol. Has anyone heard of this.
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I'm not a scientist but all the references listed by Haley & NEMOM are from companies that sell products related to alkaline balancing.
Cancer is not Lyme... It's late & I'm trying to get off the computer. If I have time, I'll try to look up some acual studies & statements about this issue.
I'm just making an educated guess but the urine may not indicate the overall status of acid/alkaline balance of other parts of the body... It's urine, not blood or saliva, the lung tissue, stomach, inside the vagina... These areas may each have a different pH... ?
Like I said - I'm not a doctor or scientist.
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quote:Originally posted by sparkle7: I'm not a scientist but all the references listed by Haley & NEMOM are from companies that sell products related to alkaline balancing.
Cancer is not Lyme... It's late & I'm trying to get off the computer. If I have time, I'll try to look up some acual studies & statements about this issue.
I'm just making an educated guess but the urine may not indicate the overall status of acid/alkaline balance of other parts of the body... It's urine, not blood or saliva, the lung tissue, stomach, inside the vagina... These areas may each have a different pH... ?
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Not to be rude but Hitler was nominated for the Nobel prize at one time. It doesn't actually prove that the acid/alkaline diet is going to have a beneficial effect on one's health.
I'll post some studies when I have time. It is a controversial subject. It's not "written in stone" that an alkaline diet will help everyone suffering with illness.
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and if the body decides to drop toxic metals before they kill us, it is in an acidic state. Metals only go into solution in acidic conditions.
I learned a long time ago not to fool around with any forced manupulation of ph.
And after reading Sparkle's comment, I think I will now have a glass of wine with my lunch! Maybe I should have a double martini!
Have fun, guys.
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I may only have a few brain cells working, but the experiment in my class had significant results.
1- the more enzymes the more effecient the cells work.
2- The effects of ph on the enzymes was very significant. About 40 of us had the same results. The enzymes do not function properly in a certain range of ph.
I'm not saying that I know the answer of how the ph can be balanced... all I know is that when I test acidic, I don't feel well, when I attempt to correct it I feel better.
Frankly, our little experiment sort of blew my mind. It's one thing to read about research, it's another to see it with your own eyes.
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I don't really have time right now but I heard Dr. Tullio Simoncini speaking on a radio show & he specifically said he did not think it was a good idea to take baking soda as a dietary supplement as per the maple syrup, baking soda cancer cure. He uses a special process to inject it into the cancer tumor.
I studied this for a while when I was considering if it's worth it to get one of those acid/alkaline water machines. I'd have to search for a bunch of references but I ultimately felt that this line of thinking was a fad to sell products.
Haley - can you be more specific about enzymes? Like I said, I'm no scientist but enzymes in a petri dish are not the same as enzymes in our bodies.
I'm not trying to criticise anyone. It's hard to tell which things are fads when it comes to selling products, books, etc. When I heard Dr.Tullio Simoncini telling people not to do the alkaline diet - I knew it wasn't just Quackwatch trying to quackbust some idea they didn't like.
The body is complex. I think it needs a balance of both acid & alkaline.
Cheers GiGi! I had a brandy alexander last night with dinner... Sometimes, you have to just live & enjoy the momentary pleasures in life.
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Some further info with some good pictures of "Alien vs. Preditor"... Guess which one is more acidic...(?)
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This is a little confusing for me. I get that it's optimal to have a balanced pH level between acidic & alkaline.
If there is a lot of acid in my stomach, esophagus & mouth and it feels like acid is roiling through my body, that means my pH level is too low? And to help combat this, I should eat acid-y things like lemons and vinegar?
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I think lemons are actually alkaline... Go figure that one. Some people swear by apple cider vinegar. I really don't know - I never had acid reflux or anything like that.
You are right - it is confusing. I started reading about ozonated water tonight. That may be the better way to go then to mess around with this diet stuff...?
I actually did try it a while back & didn't notice much of a difference. It takes forever to get any changes on those pH urine strips. Just my observation. Everyone is different.
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I'm really sick and brain dead right now, but will go back and look at the link above at some point.
I don't know how closely I will follow the diet, but I'll try to eat things that are more alkaline.
I am ordering a product from the phpure people and will report if it helps.
Sparkle - Our experiment had an enzyme called Catalase (I think it is from a cow) and we mixed it with hydrogen peroxide to see if the enzymes would break apart the molecules. The more the enzyme the more the oxygen showing that it did break them apart.
The other 2 were temperature and ph effect on the function of the enzymes. Only in a certain ph would the oxygen release.
My worst symptom is cognitive problems, so I often go by my intuition with things. I believe that if I can figure out how to get lots of oxygen into my body I will get well. One of the ways to do this is not having an acidic environment.
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Thanks Haley. I guess my thinking is that these things that we eat go through digestion. The body has it's own way to regulate pH through homeostasis. I don't think food has alot to do with it but I eat a pretty OK diet - not great but not too bad either.
Acid�base imbalances that overcome the buffer system can be compensated in the short term by changing the rate of ventilation. This alters the concentration of carbon dioxide in the blood, shifting the above reaction according to Le Chatelier's principle, which in turn alters the pH.
For instance, if the blood pH drops too low (acidemia), the body will compensate by increasing breathing[3] thereby expelling CO2, and shifting the above reaction to the left such that less hydrogen ions are free; thus the pH will rise back to normal. For alkalemia, the opposite occurs.
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I guess you could drink some water with baking soda if you want to be more alkaline. I avoid soft driks & I usually have only 1 cup of coffee a day - so I cut out alot of the extra acid many Americans get.
I tried the diet awhile ago & nothing really happened for me. I'm looking into ozone & PEMF at the moment. Some people on curezone are into hydrogen peroxide treatments. I tried them a while ago & they didn't seem to help me much.
It may have diminished some oral herpes I had in retrospect but I was looking to cure "fibromyalgia" at the time.
Having a good diet is always helpful but it may not be a cure. I'm just concerned of losing stomach acidity. We need that to digest food & as a deterent to parasites.
There are other ways to get more oxygen into the body. Maybe look into some of the oxidative therapies...? Someone posted a link in another thread to that.
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Here is a portion of Dr. K.'s comments about ph factors. He talked at length about it at a seminar last May 2011 called "A Deep Look Beyond Lyme". You can find the total write-up on Scott's website www.betterhealthguy.com.
"�Acid vs. Alkaline Water - has tried various alkaline water instruments and does not feel that they do anything. Alkaline water is not where the gold is at. �pH - normal pH for urine is 6.2 with .2 up or down fluctuation (6.0 to 6.4). It should go up and down within that range. Saliva pH should be around 6.7 or between 6.5 and 6.9. Often times the difference between the two is too narrow or there is an inversion/reversal. When the saliva pH is higher than the urine pH, acids are not getting out. Longer term, this could be a sign of kidney failure. When one has an inversion, homeopathic 12x Phosphorous or Standard Process Phosfood may be good options. �Nutritional approaches, B12, folic acid will not work when the pH is off. One becomes too acidic if there are unprocessed emotional issues. The common denominator when the gap narrows is electrosmog. Electrosmog acidifies and shuts down the kidneys. �For water, reverse osmosis (freedrinkingwater.com) with the addition of Matrix Electrolytes, Matrix Minerals, and M-Water is a good option. �The best alkalinizing agent is Tri-Salts - this will slow down detoxification. �When the pH is too alkaline, life is fading. In patients with ALS, when the pH becomes alkaline, this is the end of the process. Being too alkaline is the most serious state of an illness. �Reduce EMFs and allergic foods - acidity is a state of stress. �Acidity is treatable, but being too alkaline is much more concerning - especially when there is no undulation/variation in the pHs."
I have basically followed that pattern usually measuring both urine and saliva at the same time in the am. My favorite drink throughout the day has always been coffee. Now I take the green coffee capsules because of the chlorogenic acid to support liver detox (metals are deposited in body fat).
Be sure to read the balance of Scott's write-up on his website. It has a lot of good info from an excellent seminar that only he can so masterfully report about.
Take care.
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Thanks GiGi! I think it's alot more complicated than just eating alkaline foods or that everyone needs to do this. Everyone is different. Someone with cancer has different concerns than someone with Lyme. The acid/alkaline issue is not a one size fits all paradigm.
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Agree with Haleys post.I personaly find that Digestive Enzymes are one of the most important supplements we can take for this battle.
They digest parasites and mycoplasma and other harmful bacteris incl candida. I take them in between meals as well.
Google digestive enzymes and natural healing. My fav is Super Digestaway by Soloray. Have been very helpful in clearing brain fog and I am sure they help with binding toxic metals as pathogens are dying as well as balancing ph.
Gael
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Gael....
Do you use the plant-based Super DigestAway?
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I've been kind of afraid of taking digestive enzymes. I'm taking them with the Parastroy in any case. I was wondering - if you take the enzymes will your body stop producing them or get used to them & not produce enough when you stop?
I think people can get "dependant" of laxitives - so, I thought this might happen with digestive enzymes...
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RZR, Check out the approx 15th post down where I mentioned Super Digestaway by Soloray which i have been taking for yrs. Google it and check the ingredients.
Sparkle,
I don't worry about becoming dependent on enzymes since we usually are soooo depleted when there is an active infection such as parasites eating what little we produce on our own. Same with HCL.
Gael
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P. S.
For some reason, the plant enzymes were the only ones I felt comfortable taking.
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I just read this guys book - "lessons from the Miracle doctors". I think he has a good handle on what we need to do to get our bodies back. He says if he could recommend one supplement it would be enzymes.
Digestive Enzymes & Proteolytic Enzymes
Yes, he does sell stuff, but you can follow his suggestions without buying anything.
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Excellent info on the importance of enzymes for health. Thanks for posting this valuable info Haley.
Everyone should pay attention to this .
Gael
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That was a great article on enzymes, Haley. Thank you!
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