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Hello parasite treaters. I haven't posted in a while since my wife has been mostly feeling good over the past few years.
Over the past few months, however, some of her old lyme symptoms have been creeping back more often than she'd like. Main symptoms are tingling in her chest/sternum area, air hunger and fatigue.
She takes herbs like Byron White A-L, A-Bab and Goldenseal by Herb Pharm. I think these do work long term but haven't made a dent in her symptoms at present.
We're thinking of starting antiparasitic treatment as that is something she never addressed and might be the magic bullet. Thinking about the horse Ivermectin to start.
My question is, how badly do these parasite meds stir things up? Despite the mentioned symptoms I'd say she's been 80% well these recent years and fairly functional.
Should we leave well enough alone or try to aim for a higher baseline by rolling the dice with parasite meds?
Has Ivermectin, etc caused any of you to lose ground? And on the flip side has it allowed any of you to reach a higher baseline with elimination of some symptoms? And is it a lifelong med (ie. only feel good while on it?)
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I am on low dose Ivermectin (1/2 3mg.), much lower than many others who can tolerate high doses (12 mg and up). As long as I find the right balance it resolves most of my remaining symptoms.
Ivermectin builds up in the body, so you need to be cognisant of that. I have found pulsing to be a good solution.
Binding is critical with Ivermectin, as there is die-off from the parasites/protozoa/biofilm.
I am 80-90% most days and Ivermectin gives me some days with few or no symptoms. I don't know if I will need to be on this long-term, or if it will cure the remaining issues.
I've noticed from others that post about Ivermectin that it does provide immediate relief for some/many. It may be worth a try to start slowly and see if your wife realizes benefits.
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I have not taken Ivermectin, but have taken a LOT of antiparasitic herbs and salt/c to go after a bad parasite infection. The problem with not treating is that some of these parasites are laying 200,000 eggs a day. NOT GOOD!
A naturopathic doctor said that he believes most degenerative diseases are caused by parasites. Ivermectin and or herbal antiparasitics has to be a lifelong pursuit.
The problem with the pharma drugs is that they are hard on the liver. Some people here are hitting the parasites first with pharma drugs and then rotating with herbals and salt/c.
Knowing what I know now, I wouldn't hesitate to go after the parasites as they almost killed me. You can get sicker before you get better, but the alternative is you will get sicker eventually anyway. So, my vote would be to treat without question.
Gael
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Don't be afraid to start small. It took my daughter a year to ramp up to the theraputic dose of 12mg daily.
When the herxing started it was like getting hit with the illness all over again, beginning with the first symptoms and running through all of them.
She has recently added 10mg doxy to give it a boost. It has made improvement, especially in her back pain.
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Antiparasitic treatments will do little for us to reach the good other side unless we then also get serious about reducing the toxic metals etc. that will be released with the dead or dying parasites.
There should be a toxic metal alert and possible treatment/binders, alongside all treatments that cause die-off or stirring up of toxins -- whether it is through photons, massages, bathing, any medicines or herbs that are not specifically metal toxin oriented.
I know from my own experience and from many whose journey I follow that we will never get well with a load of toxic metals in the body, especially with more and higher exposure to EMF, high frequency radiation, smart meters, etc., and more and more microwave towers in neighborhoods and roofs.
The parasites will not leave that comfortable terrain, more and more microbes move in, because it is a wonderful terrain for survival -- lots of vitamins and good food to multiply and low oxygenation.
What gives people problems with antiparisiticals is the release of toxins. It is a fact that --- I am quoting from Dr. K. lecture I heard in 2004:
"Therapy resistant parasites - Most of the roundworms and tapeworms, have an unbelievable ability to store large amounts of metals in their skin without being metabolically disturbed by it. Usually when you have a patient with amalgam fillings (or who had amalgam fillings - gg), you have on a daily basis this nice stream of mercury and tin and other trace metals coming down there, and the worms immediately take that into their coat -- they are like a knight in shining armor.
They become completely invulnerable to our own immune system, because one thing your white cells cannot handle is large amounts i mercury. Your white cells die when they try to gobble up the mercury. They commit suicide. And it doesn't help the organism, because when the white cell dies, it releases everything it has stored back into the system. Metals are not 'metaboliz-able'. They cannot be transformed into something else that's not disturbing. Once they are released again, they are just as toxic as they were before.
We find very often that the big tapeworms or roundworms hanging in the gut with their mouths wide open ready, waiting for the next dose of mercury that they take in and then put it into their coat to protect themselves from our immune system. And one of the first things we do in the treatment of Lyme disease -- we are getting more and more ruthless with the neurological diseases looking for worms."
I have lived a life with toxic metals and am still living with some tiny remains of them. Like everyone else, I am sure Gael is still learning, I am certainly still learning, as is Dr. K. which he confirms to me everytime I run into him.
Take care.
P.S. There is enough evidence that toxic metals are one of the main causes of dementia.
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Gigi, wow, I am getting ready to start parastroy but now I am not sure if I should. If killing parasites is going to release a lot of heavy metals and make me sicker I don't think I want to do that.
Are there any specific binders or detox methods that could help with the parasites releasing heavy metals?
I was excited about going after parasites but now I am scared. Why can't anything be easy??
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I am 95% from ivermectin/stromectol treatment for protomyxzoa. I took 12 mg a day for 5 weeks, then 6 mg a day for two weeks as I was running out of the stromectol. By that time I was symptom free. I pulsed the stromectol after that.
I also am doing the low fat vegan (I do vegetarian) diet which is very important, methyl cycle supplements and LDN. It has been 8 months and I feel like I am very close to remission. Now, I only take 6 mg of stromectol once every 7 to 10 days when I feel symptoms creeping back. I take boluoke and jiaogulan to help reduce the biofilm.
As far as I know I never had worms - just the protomyxzoa which is a blood parasite. I have not had my amalgams removed. I am just beginning to take EDTA and phosphytidylchlorine for metal chelation but I have only done it 3 times.
Treating protomyxzoa was the ticket to recovery for me.
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gigi,
Please don't be afraid to go after the parasites, it's important. You can use chlorella for a binder.
Gael
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Has anyone noticed their twitching coming back on the Ivermectin?
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