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sparkle7
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I've been interested in getting some kind of a mag pulser device for a while. I kind of forgot about it until I came across this today -

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B001870R3O/ref=olp_product_details?ie=UTF8&me=&seller=

http://www.mediconcepts.fr/en/notice.pdf

It's a UK device & it's about $135 as compared to the SOTA device which is in the $300 range. Does anyone know how these things might compare? I couldn't really figure it out from the technical info about each product.

It's a pretty big savings with the PainSolv. UK has alot of these kinds of devices since they have National Health Service. They want people to buy these devices rather than use up funds going to the doctors there - I believe...

You would need a converter since the electricity is different there.

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More info...

http://www.drpawluk.com/magnetic-fields-affect-life/

http://www.drpawluk.com/category/reviews/

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More info... I hope someone will look at this. It could be helpful.

About Bob Beck-

http://www.voltahealth.com/beck-protocol.php#.UH4MznZZ-b8

Anyone try the Beck protocol?

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http://research.whnlive.com/PEMF/

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Magnetic pulsing for tissue electrification

Externally applied magnetic pulses to the lymphatic system, the spleen, kidney & liver, help neutralize germinating, latent and incubating parasites of all types, helping to block re-infection.

This speeds up the elimination of disease, restores the immune system, and supports detoxification. Permanent magnets, no matter how strong they are, will not produce the same results as the pulsed fields of Bob Beck's device, which produces induced back-emf currents.

You must have a high-intensity, time-varying, magnetic impulse, not just a magnetic field. The magnetic pulsing produces the correct high-intensity field as specified by Beck.

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I also read somewhere that it decreases blood viscosity & may help regenerate stem cells.

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I've had really good results with the SOTA Magnetic Pulser.
I first bought it to treat knee pain, and results were impressive.
I put it away and forgot about it for a while, until a friend in the Lyme chat suggested that I try it for back pain.
There again, it was helpful.

I used it all around my jaw and throat when I had a sore throat.
I used it on a tooth that was painful and sensitive.
I treated a sore shoulder, aching kidneys, sacro iliac joints.

It seemed to normalize whatever wasn't "right."
Sometimes I used it on alternate days with the LightWorks...both relieve pain.


It slid off the bed one too many times, and isn't working right now.
I'm planning to mail it back to the company for repair.

What will you do when the English product needs to be repaired?
Postage back and forth across the Atlantic is expensive.


You mentioned needing an electrical adapter, but you'll need to buy an English one, the kind that English tourists would need to plug in their applicances in the U.S.

Another thing, the English product uses a rechargeable battery. How long will that be good for?
Will the magnetic force be as strong as a plug in unit?


I'm very fond of both the SOTA LightWorks and the Magnetic Pulser to heal problem areas.
Both of them are FDA approved.

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Thanks Carol... I'm leaning towards the SOTA. Seems to be the best option & I've been studying it... Still love my LightWorks! I wouldn't mind having a PE1 but the LWs was about $1000 cheaper.

Some of the PEMF mats, etc. are the price of a car.

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Quite independently, today I've been considering both of these myself to try to help my coccyx pain in particular, but arthritic Lyme stiffness and pain in general.

I think in the UK I can get hold of either machine though the British Painsolv mkv seems to only claim pain relief benefits, as opposed to the wider health benefits claimed by the Sota Magnetic Pulser. the Pulser is about twice the price of the Painsolv in UK.

Have you gone ahead with either of these, Sparkle?

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I think that pulsed electromagnetic therapy would probably help the tailbone pain.

The "arthritic Lyme stiffness and pain in general" would be helped with things that reduce inflammation, like Wobenzym, fish oil, and antioxidants.

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I've been thinking about the sota mag pulser as well, and I generally understand pemf machines and how they might help. But what is the sota lightworks--what does it do, what would it help, and what would the theory be behind it (if this can be said briefly)?

I've been dealing with shoulder and knee pain, and don't really know what's behind them. Shoulder MRI showed no damage, but structural anomaly that, combined with bad posture could be part of the issue (or all of it?). Seem to have reduced pain a lot dealing with structure/posture, but still pain. Never MRI's knee, and it doesn't hurt unless I put a lot of pressure on it (made worse when I started doing exercises for posture), but the ONDAMED PEMF machine actually saw a problem with knee before I had experienced pain with it. Could be infection related, ozone injections helped but again not fixed it.

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quote:
Originally posted by MichaelTampa:

But what is the sota lightworks--what does it do, what would it help, and what would the theory be behind it (if this can be said briefly)?


Mitochondria are the organs within our cells that make energy, using oxygen and blood sugar.
With LED (light-emitting diode) light therapy, the LED's transmit energy that is absorbed by the mitochondria in each of our cells.
Light is energy.


The mitochondria use this energy so that the cells can function better.
This reduces inflammation, swelling, pain, and the cell heals.


Here is info about a study where the researchers injured the retinas (of rats) and then healed them using LED's, which they also call low level lasers.
They used a wavelength of 670 for this.
The LightWorks uses wavelengths of 660 and 880.

Therapeutic photobiomodulation for methanol-induced retinal toxicity
http://www.pnas.org/content/100/6/3439.full


I've offered a simplified version of what happens, and if you understand scientific terminology and processes, you should be able to google and find information.
Personally, I am more interested in what can be done with this technology.

From what I've read, the SOTA LightWorks is about one tenth of the strength of the Bionic 880 that is used to treat Lyme Disease in Germany.
I bought it hoping that I could use it to ease some of the pain, of which I had plenty.

Some sources said that LED light therapy may kill Lyme bacteria.
I had read the blogs from the people here who went to Germany, and I used the light wand on the spots that Dr. W. used the Bionic 880.

I got more than I bargained for when I herxed.
This scared the bejeebers out of me, and I stopped using it for a while.

I began using it again, to treat sores that weren't healing.
It seems that the infected hair follicles I'd get may be from an autoimmune reaction, which I assume is from Lyme.

LED light at the 660 wavelength heals skin lesions.
Geez, almost every teenager needs this for zits.
I even used it for flea bites on my legs.
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Here is a compilation of studies done with this technology.
When you're reading, they often use the term "low level laser" to refer to LED light therapy.
This is NOT like the laser weapons used in Star Trek!

Laser Research Library
http://www.healinglightseminars.com/laser-therapy/laser-research-library/

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Wow, totally cool, thanks for the info!
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I have the LightWorks & it's very good for some things. I posted alot about it several years ago. I did try it in the method of using the Bionic 880 & I do think you can use it in that way.

Like Carol said - I stopped since I was not sure what it was capable of. I got some kind of cleansing reaction & it was not plesant. In retrospect, I think it may have had something to do with having parasites. It was some kind of interaction due to that.

It's very good for aches & pains, though. There's alot of research about healing with light on the internet if you search it out. Using the homeopathic remedies is pretty specific to the Bionic 880. I think you can do it with the Lightworks, as well.

You just have to be careful. I would make sure that parasites & heavy metals are under some kind of control prior but I do use it for general aches & pains.

The PE1 is much stronger but it's about $1000 more. I think what Carol said is right - it's about 8-10 X less strength than the PE1 or the Bionic 880. Also, the Bionic may have different frequencies. The PE1 & SOTA use the Nogier frequencies.

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PS - It's probably worth the extra money to get the Mag Pulser over the PainSolv. The SOTA was made to Bob Beck's specifications, if I recall correctly. It's a stronger electromagnetic pulse. If you live in the US - it's made here or in Canada so you can send it back easily if it breaks (as someone here pointed out to me).

I haven't gotten it yet since I had some other expenses come up. Hopefully, I'll be able to get one soon.

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Do you know if any of these can be helpful with reducing tinnitus and problems/symptoms in sinus/jaw area?
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dbpei, I've used both LED light therapy and pulsed magnetic therapy on my face and neck.

I could feel the sinus open up when I lay the light wand on my face to treat pimples.
I had a swollen and sore saliva gland, which went down after one treatment with the light.

I've used both on a painful tooth.
The Magnetic Pulser seemed to work faster in relieving the pain.

Neither have done much for my tinnitus, which is mild.

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Anyone ever heard of Royce Carder?

He had a terminal cancer and cured himself with a pulse electromagnetic field device.

He now sells them, but cost a lot more that what you guys are talking about.

If you search Royce Carder on the web one article will come up on him.

I am trying to see if anyone can compare what he sells and the systems mentioned in the posts here.

If a $150-$300 unit would work compared to his approx. $12,000 unit I would buy one.

I have used one of his for a 20 minute $20 session.

It did help my hip pain greatly. I may just keep going and using the one close to me.

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Interesting. I'm looking into it. I'm looking up the Royce Carder device... I can't find the specifics of the amount of energy used. I'll keep looking...

The SOTA device is stronger than the PainSolv. There are different kinds of PEMF devices. Some people got good results from the Medsonix. It's not pulsed magnets but it does use frequencies.

I think these things can all be beneficial. I think (if I recall correctly) that the SOTA machines are designed to use Bob Beck's protocol. The LightWorks, MagPulser & the Ozone &/or colloidal silver generator are all parts of his plan.

I posted about it here a few months ago. They seem like a well designed protocol. It probably wouldn't be a bad idea to do the whole plan. It may work synergistically... I think the ozone & silver component kill pathogens & the magpulser & lightworks help the body function more efficiently.

If I get a chance - I'll look it up again.

I don't know if more power is necessarily better. I think (if I recall correctly, again) that the cells can only absorb only so much light. I don't know if that's the case with magnets. It may be better to use less & treat more frequently... I don't know for sure, though.

Some info from the Royce Carder device website (PM3000)
http://bodymagnetix360.com/pm300-results/

Increases cellular oxygen levels and absorption.

NASA and US Army studies have shown that oxygen partial pressure can be increased by 200%. This reduces pain associated with lack of sufficient oxygen.

Promotes faster healing of injuries

Increases blood and fluid circulation

Repairs torn tendons and fractured bones

Reduces fibrous and scar tissue formation

Relaxes muscles and increases range of motion

Improves energy by stimulating production of ATP.

Reduces pain, with pain often fading away in minutes.

Works as a catalyst to increase bone density and muscle mass.

Accelerates tissue repair, where wounds improve in one-third the �normal� time.

Improves circulation by opening and dilating the arteries and capillaries � reducing edema.

Increases cellular oxygen absorption up to 200%.

Improves degenerative nerves and tissue, the cause of neuropathy & numbness.

Stimulates the mood improving neurotransmitters � reducing anxiety & depression.

Helps the cells and organs to detoxify and release toxic chemicals and heavy metals.

PH levels become 100% more alkaline � reducing risk of arthritis, gout and cancer.

Reduces inflammation by reducing the enzymes that create inflammation by up to 75%

Relaxes vascular system within minutes of completing a session, which drops blood pressure by up to twenty percent 30 minutes after.

Has been widely used around the world for decades, with FDA clearance for non-union bone healing since 1979.

Acts as a superb catalyst when utilized with any treatment including pharmaceuticals, alternative, or any other modality with faster and better lasting responses.

Improves cell hydration

Increases potential of regeneration of damaged and diseased tissue.

Improves repair of torn tendons and fractured bones.

Enhances the synthesis of protein in the cells, allowing the body to take advantage of all the protein available.

Electroporation �opens� cell receiving, which allows detoxification.

Reduces Swelling

Restores membrane potential

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FYI -

http://www.tinnitusjournal.com/detalhe_artigo.asp?id=425

Pulsed Magnetic-Field Therapy: A New Concept to Treat Tinnitus?

Authors: Elmar W.J. Weiler; Klaus Brill

Abstract:
Both clinical and neurophysiological data suggest that chronic tinnitus is characterized by focal brain activation. In the study reported here, pulsed magnetic-field therapy induced a highly significant increase of average total power for the delta, theta, and alpha frequency bands, predominantly within the frontal regions of the brain. We conclude that pulsed magnetic-field therapy induces changes of the electroencephalography pattern that correlated with a decrease in tinnitus symptoms.

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More info-

Good website but it's associated with a product -

http://www.pemft.com/prices-for-pulsed-electromagnetic-field-therapy-devices/preowned-bemer-3000-pemf-devices/Pulsed-Electro-Magnetic-Field-Therapy-or-PEMF-or-PEMFT

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Yet another device with loads of info...

http://biolifetherapy.com/compare/

only $3,490... [lick]

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I found this about the SOTA -

http://www.voltahealth.com/sota-magnetic-pulser.php#.UMqIS3ZZ_1g

Magnetic Field Intensity: Greater than 6,000 Gauss at face of Hand Paddle as tested with an F.W. Bell 5080 Tesla Meter.

Pulse Duration: ~2.5 mS (milliseconds).

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It's actually stronger than the $3490 one...

Professional Grade BioLife Therapy System

http://biolifetherapy.com/compare/

Intensities � 10-100 Gauss fully programmable

I guess the difference is that it is programmable. I don't know if that's important..? It is 10X more expensive than the SOTA - if that's an issue for you.

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This is the $12,000 (I think) one's info... They seem kind of evasive -

http://bodymagnetix360.com/recent-media/

BodyMagnetix utilizes the same technology used by NASA, professional athletic associations and physicians across the globe to build its PM3000. Though it may look like other PMF or PEMF machines, there�s a lot more intelligence inside than meets the surface.

Users only receive beneficial frequencies under 30 hertz, regardless of the selected intensity of the Gauss or magnetic energy.

Based on over 1,000 sessions with the machine, most clients experience results that are long-lasting and more effective than other pulsed magnetic field machines they may have tried.

It currently has the highest Gauss rating on the market, which is key to real results.

In terms of safety, the technology that was originally developed by Nikola Tesla has been around for over a century and FDA approved for mending bones and regenerating cell growth for decades. Now, it�s being recognized in the public sphere as a pain management tool and has exciting possibilities for so much more.

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Bottom line - it doesn't really mention any important, specific info... like gauss or price. I don't like that.

I think the SOTA still seems to be the best deal, considering...

BTW - I don't get any commissions from any PEMF device companies.

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I decided to start my experiment with PEMF with the Painsolv, so will report how I get on.
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Great. Let us know how it works out.
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FYI - About the Bob Beck protocol... I haven't tried it but it seems like an interesting alternative treatment. I posted about it here a while back & didn't get much of a response. I don't know if any people here have tried it or if it will work with Lyme & the co-infections. It may be worth a try?

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http://www.cancertutor.com/Cancer02/BobBeck.html

The Bob Beck Protocol

The Bob Beck Protocol includes four independent treatments, all of which are designed to do one thing - disable microbes in the body (i.e. stop their ability to reproduce) or kill them (in the case of colloidal silver and to a lesser degree ozonated water).

Details on each of the four treatments will be given below (actually in different articles), but for now here is an overview of the treatment:

Blood Electrification

This treatment disables microbes as they float through the bloodstream. This is an important part of the protocol, even though most cancer cells, which contain many of the microbes that need to be disabled, do not float around in the blood.

Once the microbes are disabled, they are harmless and the body will eventually excrete them.

Pulsed Magnetic Fields (i.e. Magnetic Pulser)

The purpose of this treatment is to dislodge microbes that are not floating around in the bloodstream, but are "hiding" in root canals, the lymph system, the stomach area, etc so that they enter the bloodstream and are deactivated by blood electrification. This is a very important part of the protocol for cancer patients, because to supercharge the immune system all of the microbes outside of the cancer cells need to be attenuated!!

Colloidal Silver

Colloidal silver is an antimicrobial nutrient and is perfectly safe for humans, pets and plants. If the colloidal silver is absorbed by a cancer cell, it will probably kill the microbe inside the cell, thus allowing the cell to revert back into a normal cell. However, its main purpose is to kill the microbes in the blood and most of those in hiding.

Drinking Ozonated Water or Ozonated Water

Ozone is well-known for killing microbes and killing cancer cells. The only thing that is not known is whether there is enough ozone in the water to kill the cancer cells or the microbes inside the cancer cells. However, like the colloidal silver, it is designed to kill the microbes in the blood and those in hiding.

If you have root canals, it is important to let some of the ozonated water sit inside the mouth. In other words, fill the mouth with ozonated water two or three times per treatment, then let it sit in the mouth covering your root canal teeth (for a couple of minutes each time). In this way some of the ozonated water will get inside the root canal teeth and kill some microbes inside the root canal teeth and be a catalyst for the Magnetic Pulser inside the teeth.

Since killing cancer cells can create inflammation, swelling and congestion, if you start to get inflammation, swelling or congestion during this treatment (which becomes dangerous), stop using the ozonated water and continue with the other items which cannot kill cancer cells.

The official main purpose of the ozonated water is to detoxify the body.

The Order of Taking These Things

It is important NOT to use the Magnetic Pulser at the same time as the Blood Electrification equipment. The Magnetic Pulser, if accidentally allowed to magnetically pulse the blood electrifier, could damage it.

It would be best to use the Magnetic Pulser before using the Blood Electrification equipment. The reason is that the Magnetic Pulser may break apart colonies of microbes and release them into the bloodstream where the Blood Electrification equipment can disable them.

The Blood Electrification treatment should be started about 15 to 30 minutes after the end of the Magnetic Pulser. Again, they should NOT be used at the same time.

When to take the ozonated water is discussed later in this article.

It would be wise to take the colloidal silver about 15 minutes after finishing the two electromedicine treatments. The reason is that the electromedicine items will "open up" the cells and any colloidal silver in the bloodstream may go inside of non-cancerous cells. This will not create any kind of danger, but it is best to maximize the amount of colloidal silver available to go inside of cancer cells.

In the links at the bottom of this web page, there is a link to a VHS tape called: "Beck Video Part 2 - VHS." It is critical you buy and watch this video because the lecture will include a demonstration on how to use the equipment and will discuss many of the safety issues. See the links below.

The Side-Effects

If you follow all of the safety precautions, the only side-effects you will have will be related to the detoxification. The "build-up" is designed specifically to minimize the detoxification side-effects. The descriptions below include a "build-up" for all four of the treatments.

There may be a lot of toxins in your body that need to get out of your body, and no matter what you do they will need to find a way to get out.

Perhaps the most distressful symptom is when a puss oozes out of your body. It can ooze out of your body anywhere. It can happen on the top of the head or the face, or anywhere else. THIS IS A GOOD SIGN!! It is a sign the treatment is working!! These toxins and disabled microbes have to get out of your body, and it is a good thing when they do get out of your body. Let them come out, don't try to stop them from leaving your body, they need to leave the body!! It is better that the disabled microbes exit your body through your skin than pass through your liver.

There might even be some swelling caused by puss which has not yet found a way out of the body. In most cases, this too is a good sign. However, if it is swelling caused by your diet killing cancer cells (and the immune system attacking the dying cancer cells), then it may not be a good sign.

However, when any serious side-effects are noticed, the treatment should be stopped immediately and started over again from the beginning, using a "smaller and slower buildup" (i.e. the build-up doses should be smaller and the build-up times should be longer). The reason for stopping the treatment and starting over has to do with your key organs, especially your liver and kidney.

Another important issue is the "friendly" bacteria in the digestive tract. These are important for food digestion. It is quite possible the colloidal silver and ozonated water will kill them. Be prepared to add some probiotics, or other digestion products, to your diet to replenish the "friendly" bacteria.

A Sample Daily Schedule

This would be a typical daily schedule for someone who could start the treatment at 5:00 PM. Remember that all purified or spring water should have one or two teaspoons of sea salt put in them to add the necessary electrolytes, which are needed by the Magnetic Pulser. The exception is when making colloidal silver, which has its own rules for what can be added.

5:00 PM - Drink ozonated water (e.g. 1/2 gallon or less), must have electrolytes (e.g. sea salt),
5:30 PM - Drink more water, must have electrolytes (e.g. sea salt),
6:00 PM - Start Magnetic Pulser (this begins the electromedicine part of the treatment)
8:00 PM - Finish Magnetic Pulser (some time is lost because of the Magnetic Pulser being turned off because of heat) and then Start Blood Purifier
10:00 PM - Finish Blood Purifier (this ends the electromedicine part of the treatment)
10:15 PM - Drink Colloidal Silver and take all other supplements

It is important to wait until after the two electromedicine treatments are completed to take supplements and colloidal silver. These are concentrated items and need as much time as possible to get absorbed by your body before starting the Bob Beck electromedicine treatments (which would start at 6:00 PM on the next day). This provides about a 19.75 hour time period for your body to absorb the supplements and colloidal silver before starting the electromedicine treatments.

While this treatment does take a lot of time, the fact is that you can continue most of your activities during this schedule.

WATCH THE TWO BOB BECK VIDEOS!! (They may take a minute to get started)

DETAILED ARTICLES ON THE FOUR PARTS OF THE BECK PROTOCOL

This article has become so long, that the detailed articles of this protocol have been put on their own web pages.

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Re questions above about effect on tinnitus, answer was yes for me when I did sessions of the PEMF machine - pulsed electromagnetic frequency machine, 400-700 gauss strength -

it's a small box that emits magnetic pulses - we hold a white coil next to our body - the tinnitus went away for 5 hours at a time.

I asked a top LLMD about it and they said it probably quieted down the nerves to the ears.

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Re questions above about effect on tinnitus, answer was yes for me when I did sessions of the PEMF machine - pulsed electromagnetic frequency machine, 400-700 gauss strength -

it's a small box that emits magnetic pulses - we hold a white coil next to our body - the tinnitus went away for 6 hours at a time.

I asked a top LLMD about it and they said it probably quieted down the nerves to the ears.

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Thanks, Robin. Most of the discussion here has been about some very pricey machines compared to the one below. Does anyone know much about this much more affordable Sota Magnetic Pulser?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0027UCPFE/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_3?ie=UTF8&smid=A3AWCLO74IRRP8

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dbpei, that unit being sold on Amazon is $399.95, more expensive than if you buy it from the company.

I know that vendors have to make some money, but why pay more if you don't have to.


From the company:
SOTA Magnetic Pulser, $350
http://www.sota.com/magnetic-pulser.html


You can google for a 10% discount code to use, which is only good when you buy it from the company, all items on first purchase.
These are the codes I found when I googled for sota discount codes.

10% discount code, choose one:
CA53364
CA50026
CA50014
CA50025

The codes refer to different distributors, who will get credit for it.
I am not a distributor, I just want people to get better, and this product works.

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re: Most of the discussion here has been about some very pricey machines

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Did you read my posts? Most of the focus has been on the SOTA... Maybe reread the posts. I think the SOTA is the best option compared with the more expensive devices. You really have to study it if you want all the details. There are alot of considerations. I don't know alot about physics, waveforms, frequencies - I'm not a scientist.

I was trying to look at the facts about the expensive models as compared to the PainSolv & the SOTA device. I'm going to spend the extra $150 or so to get the SOTA.

The guass rate on the SOTA was hgher or just as high as some of the models over $1000. Some have different waveforms or frequencies, mats, etc. but I don't know if that matters.

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Thanks for clarifying, sparkle. The longer posts and threads are sometimes harder for me to absorb with my current lyme brain limitations.

I have had my eyes on the SOTA magnetic pulser for a while. Also, Carol, thanks for bringing that to my attention that I can buy it directly from the company that makes it for $50 less.

That study on reduction in tinnitus was impressive! I am leaning towards giving this a try!

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Painsolv arrived and I have started with it. It does require a heavy investment of time over the first 2 weeks, as you are supposed to treat your painful area for 3 sessions of 10 minutes, 3 times per day, ie 90 minutes per day in total.

As many of us have pain in multiple sites, this could become a full time activity! While you are treating, it is easy enough to watch TV or talk, but not so easy to read, use computer, work.

The device itself is light in weight and has a strap attached that you can put around your wrist to prevent your dropping it. I find it easy to use on my thumb area and solar plexus (you can treat via acupuncture points), but harder to use comfortably for long on areas of the spine.

All I feel is the feeling of it pulsing, which is fine, and apart from that pulse, it is quiet in operation.

I don't know that I will be able to keep up the suggested number of sessions over Christmas, but will do my best and hopefully, report back at the end of the 2 week period .

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