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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3A8_6JeKoo

Pretty important in my opinion...

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Here's the original uploaded video - just in case you want to see the "source" -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3AKA46fbRw

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More...

http://lymebook.com/stealth-killer-nordquist

The Stealth Killer:
Is Oral Spirochetosis the Missing Link in the Dental and Heart Disease Labyrinth?
By William D. Nordquist, BS, DMD, MS
161 Pages, $25.95

SUMMARY: In today's cosmopolitan urban population, more than 51 percent of those with root canaltreated teeth probably have infection at the apex of their root. This figure represents millions of possible locations of dental infection. According to Dr. Nordquist's research, any source of bacteria with resulting chronic infection (including periodontal disease) in the mouth may potentially lead to heart disease and other systemic diseases.

In this groundbreaking book, Dr. Nordquist takes you on the journey of decades of study that has led to one of the biggest medical breakthroughs of the past 50 years. In addition to discovering scientific facts and evidence, you will also find practical tips on how to get help from your dentist and how to properly take care of your mouth.



Press Release
DR. NORDQUIST'S BOOK IS ANNOUNCED (January 25, 2009)

The discovered relationship between dental and heart disease announced by the United States Surgeon General in 2000 has necessitated a unique cooperation between dentistry and medicine. Patients who have systemic diseases, such as heart disease, diabetes, and Alzheimers disease, also typically have multiple missing teeth. As a result of the missing teeth, these are the patients who require the services of implant dentists. Therefore, implant dentistry requires dentists to understand these diseases and the many medicines that these patients are taking to treat their ailments.

Scientific studies have definitely shown a relationship between periodontal (gum) disease and heart disease. With this new understanding, the dentists roll in medicine has been dramatically elevated. They are now responsible for diagnosing and treating gum disease because it is related to diseases that affect other parts of the body, not just the mouth. Is there a cause and effect; dental disease causing heart disease? Are bacteria that cause periodontal disease also causing heart disease? That seems to be the case.

The recently released book by William D. Nordquist, (The Stealth Killer: Is Oral Spirochetosis the Missing Link in the Dental-Heart Disease Labyrinth?), connects the dots from one hundred plus years of dental and medical research to establish a compelling hypothesis to explain the missing link between dental and systemic disease. These are serious questions and they greatly increase the responsibility of dentists for their patients who need dental implants.

An extensive review in the medical and dental literature, plus eight years of microscopic investigation in Nordquists laboratory, reveals some very important clues in the search for the relationship between dental and heart disease. Some important facts are:

Both periodontal disease and heart disease are in epidemic proportions in the modern age, especially after World War II.

More people die of heart disease than all other diseases combined.

By the time most people reach a ripe old age, they have some form of heart disease.

75-80% of people have some form of gum disease.

Even though dental disease has been prevalent since the recording of history, it took a very virulent turn in World War I with the disease named after is discoverer Vincents infection (Trench Mouth).


ABOVE: Dr. Nordquist observes spirochetes in a culture from one of his patients. The spirochetes are stunned when an electromagnetic field is applied to the sample.
Vincents disease is primarily a spirochete bacterial infection. Spirochetes are involved with gum disease today.

Spirochetes cause other serious diseases, such as, Lyme disease, Syphilis, and stomach ulcers, as well as, other not as well know debilitating diseases.

Microscopic research on Syphilis in the early 1900 revealed that Syphilis has a unique life cycle. When the bacteria are treated with an antibiotic or the immune system itself attacks it, the bacteria undergo a morphogenic change and become a spore. The disease is almost impossible to completely eradicate.

It has also been reported in the older literature that oral spirochetes also produce these spores. Research has shown that the Lyme disease Borrelia spirochete also has a similar life cycle and produces spores and cyst forms.

This life cycle of oral bacteria makes the treatment of gum disease very difficult, if not impossible. Once periodontal surgery is done, if not done on highly compliant patients, it usually returns and addition surgeries are required, but the surgeries rarely ever cure the disease.

Bacteria cause gum disease. Eliminating these bacteria before it causes disease is the key to curing gum disease, not surgery necessarily. Surgery maybe needed to help in the decontamination process. Bacteria eradication treatment is paramount.

Could oral spirochetes and their unique life cycles have something to do with heart disease? Almost certainly.

Research is now being initiated on a grand scale into this relational problem between dental and heart disease. Many more theories and solutions will be reported as dentists and doctors work together to better understand and treat this problem.



Book's Table of Contents



About the Author

Author's Autobiography

Introduction

How Bacteria Influenced My Early Dental Practice

Chapter 1: A Paradigm Shift

Chapter 2: Basic Principles of Atherosclerotic Heart Disease

Chapter 3: Periodontal Disease and Its Many Bacteria

Chapter 4: Clues Learned from Other Spirochetal Diseases

Chapter 5: Oral Spirochetosis Associated with Dental Implants

Chapter 6: Inflamed and Infected Teeth

Chapter 7: Multiple Missing Tooth Syndrome

Chapter 8: The History of Periodontal Disease

Chapter 9: The Course of Oral Spirochetal Illness

Chapter 10: Is Todays Treatment of Periodontal Disease Enough?

Chapter 11: Treating Periodontal Disease in Its Early Stages


Appendix I

Appendix II

Endnote Citations

Sample Figures


FIGURE 33: One of the cystic bacterial forms Dr. Nordquist observed in the mouth of a patient. Radiating from the cyst are dozens of granules and large spirochetes.

FIGURE 48: Bone loss around newly placed dental implants in one of Dr. Nordquist's patients. The bone loss is most likely a result of spirochete infection.


About the Author

Dr. William Nordquist is committed to excellence and has practiced dentistry in San Diego, California, since 1973. He received his Bachelor of Science in chemistry from the Rochester Institute of Technology (RIT) and worked for Eastman Kodak Company as an organic chemist.

He received his Doctorate of Dental Medicine (DMD) and Master of Science from the University of Louisville. His Master of Science thesis and research produced many publications relating to surface chemistry of dental enamel and powdered and blocks of fluoro and hydroxyapatite (HA). He completed a general practice residency at the San Diego Naval Regional Medical Center and achieved the rank of lieutenant commander before leaving the Navy and setting up his private practice of dentistry in San Diego in 1976.

He is a fellow in the American Academy of Implant Dentistry (AAID) and a diplomat in the American Board of Oral Implantology/Implant Dentistry (ABOI). Dr. Nordquist was named the 2008 International Dentist of the Year by the American Academy of Implant Dentistry.

Dr. Nordquist is performing ongoing research and a blog has been created to allow you to follow his work. On this page you will find videos and updates from Dr. Nordquist. The content is easy to access and provides an excellent supplement to this book. To follow Dr. Nordquists work, visit his blog.

Dr. Nordquists Dental Practice:
Implant Dentistry of San Diego
2304 6th Avenue
San Diego, California 92101
(619) 236-7959
www.niceteeth.tv

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I think Spirostat Lab tests for both lyme and oral spirochetes by PCR.

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He is not correct about stomach ulcers being caused by spirochetes.

Helicobacter is a spiral shaped bacteria but is NOT classified as a spirochete.

Kind of makes me wonder what else is incorrect.

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I couldn't read the summary.

Bottom line, does lyme treatment take care of the oral spirochetes too?

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Thieves essential oil blend kills the oral spirochetes linked with heart disease, according to a presentation I attended 3 weeks ago.

Can either purchase special Thieves mouthwash product (Young Living makes this; I'm not selling anything) or can use Thieves essential oil in water for a mouth rinse, and on your toothbrush (along with whatever other toothpaste you use).

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Thanks Razzle! I use thieves oil all the time but usually dispersed in a fine mist in my living space. I'll give it a try and see what happens. Have you used it in your mouth and noticed a change in your oral health?

Terry

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I was doing well with Thieves Dentarome Plus toothpaste, until they changed the formula somehow and I could no longer tolerate the taste of the toothpaste.

Really wish they'd return to the original formula for the toothpaste, as that was the best toothpaste I'd ever used, and it really kept the plaque away quite well.

The Thieves toothpaste was the only way I'd ever used Thieves oil in my mouth. But I need to do something else, as my current toothpaste is not doing the job.

I've submitted a complaint to someone at Young Living about the terrible taste of their toothpaste (it tastes like rotten fish to me), I hope to receive a reply soon.

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One place I read said that Dakins solution is the only thing that get rid of the bacteria...

Dakins solution = 20 parts water to 1 part bleach...

I'd prefer something more natural but I never studied it in depth.

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(copied this from the other thread...)

http://www.mdjunction.com/forums/lyme-disease-support-forums/studies-research/3261183-mouth-spirochete-videotextmust-read

MUST WATCH,SPIROCHETTE GALORE IN MOUTH!!
4.5 minute video!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bApY90Bh9Do&feature=related

Uploaded by implantdrdm on Jul 9, 2010

Dentists have treated spirochetes living in the sulcus as a local phenomena. Why?

If one thinks of T. palladum as the exemplar of the species one begins to understand why we have an epidemic of diabetes, heart disease and alzheimers.

This patient brushed her teeth three times a day with tooth paste. Clearly a failed endeavor.

These spirochetes are microscopically indistinguishable from syphilis or lyme disease spirochetes.

Oral spirochetes have been found in the brains of alzheimer's patients.

We believe that oral spirochetes are the primary injurious agent in two other chronic diseases that plague man, heart disease and diabetes.

These things breed by the trillions in the gingival sulcus and invade into the body by millions moving via the de-epitheliazed gingival sulcus into the blood stream then into cells found along the blood stream.

Primarily the endothelial cells lining blood vessels, and the Islets of langerhans cells in the pancreas..

We have not seen anyone with heart disease or diabetes who are not infected with oral spirochetes.

Recent papers have proven the alzeheimers plaques are created by these spirochetes which breed in the crevice between the tooth and the gum and under plaque bacteria.

The use of tooth cleaning agents will not remove these spirochetes.

The only effective methods we have found is Dakins solution.

Vigorous rinses for at least two minutes with Dakins or Dakins in a WaterPic.

The use of the Dakins which is a 20:1 dilution of clorox bleach is by far the most effective technique for killing spirochetes in between the teeth as well as the more accessible areas.

Tooth pastes are good for cleaning teeth! But this is a different problem entirely.

Spirochetes form spores which require daily disinfection of the crevice between the tooth and gum.

The only thing which will dissolve plaque(the vegetative bacteria which cause tooth decay) off a tooth surface without friction is clorox diluted in water at a 20:1 water/clorox ratio.

This material is cheap effective and absolutely works but no one can sell it to you for a high price, so not one cent of marketing money will be spent to educate the public! This is tragic in the extreme.

We have research grade microscopes to show the spirochetes.

The only effective techniques involve using bactericidal materials such as clorox and high concentrations of baking soda...

Other things such as hydrogen peroxide, povidone iodine, chlorhexidiene, and table salt have drawbacks in daily use.

Tooth pastes are valuable in stopping and treating tooth decay, but flossing and brushing with tooth paste or oral rinses with items such as OTC mouth washes, will not guarantee a kill, and in comparison to clorox are very expensive over a lifetime. Patients wonder if clorox is toxic.

While it tastes terrible, it is harmless when diluted to 0.3 percent, that is a 20:1 dilution of 6% clorox.

Clorox turns into table salt in the stomach if swallowed. There will be some initial stinging of the skin in the mouth when first used!

That goes away when the skin heals after a few uses. Use at night before going to bed and do not rinse the mouth after. If irritation develops move to mornings.

Use at night when saliva flow shuts down will keep the material killing for a longer time when not rinsed out..

Finally, we have tried them all and brushing with copious amounts of baking soda forcing it into the gums and in between the teeth one time daily and then using a WaterPic with the dilute clorox solution will give the best results. What are those results?

Absolutely no leakage of the seal where the tooth come out of the skin.

The Gum is a specialized tissue designed to seal the skeleton where it come out thru the skin. The teeth are the only part of the skeleton which is out side the skin... So it cannot heal itself.

Use of a good fluoride tooth paste at night will do much to stop tooth decay.

Never eating sugar or carbohydrates between meals will assure no tooth decay in those with normal saliva.

Yours in better dental health,

http://www.martinimplants.com

Dr. Douglas M. Martin DDS, FAAID, FAIT, FICOI/ID ABOI/ID.

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I noticed this:

Quote:
ABOVE: Dr. Nordquist observes spirochetes in a culture from one of his patients.
The spirochetes are stunned when an electromagnetic field is applied to the sample.


The SOTA Magnetic Pulser generates a pulsed electromagnetic field!

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I was reading about a study with Lyme spirochetes & the Rife machine... It stunned them & they went into cyst form. I don't think it kills them.

I think there may be other factors involved like type of frequency & rate. I'd have to look to see if Dr. Nordquist mentions any specifics.

In some studies, EMFs cause yeasts & other pathogens to proliferate. I also read that bleu light (from LEDs, I suppose) can case some pathogens to grow like crazy. So, it depends... It can be very specific.

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Bleach is not the only solution to oral spirochetes...see my post above.

Also, the dentist giving the presentation mentioned above is promoting fluoride and yet we know fluoride does not prevent cavities and is not safe to ingest.

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Since I have started this routine, my teeth and gums have been feeling wonderful and my teeth are getting whiter:

Put a couple drops of food grade 3% hydrogen peroxide with a little baking soda in your hand. Brush and litely rinse. Swish a couple drops of colloidal silver all over your mouth and keep in as long as possible (while doing make-up etc.) before spitting out.

You can also use a little coconut oil with the baking soda/peroxide mix.

Works like a charm!!

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Sounds good! Yeah, I don't like the idea of the Dakins solution, either... Essential oils can be really powerful. I want to try a thieves blend. I think Aura Cassia makes a "Medival Blend" that is similar.

Has anyone tried the theives oil in a WaterPik?

Baking soda is really good. I was thinking to do the oil pulling with a drop of the thieves blend.

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Bringing this up again for people who may be interested since it seems to be a topic in other threads.
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I am glad you posted about this. I would not be surprised if I have oral spirochetes lingering around and preventing me from beating this illness.

Laxlover, where do you get the colloidal silver? Your routine sounds interesting and worth a try to me. I would worry that the silver might discolor your teeth. But you say they are getting whiter! [Big Grin]

Where do you buy the colloidal silver? I know many use this for lyme treatment, but I have not researched much on this, as I was afraid my skin would turn silver!

I add a few drops of hydrogen peroxide to the water in my electric water pik that I use daily. I also floss at night. I get rave reviews on my gums and dental hygiene. I will keep it up but maybe try your routine for whiter teeth.

I tried the bleach solution just once. It tasted so horrible and I worried about how this might be harmful. I thought that the hydrogen peroxide might be a safer compromise.

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If you use hydrogen peroxide, try to get food-grade hydrogen peroxide instead of the stuff in the drug store. The drug store stuff is usually of low quality and is not intended to be used internally.

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I didn't realize that. Where do you purchase the food grade hydrogen peroxide?
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