Topic: psychiatric symptoms = movement disorder?????
lpkayak
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this was written by a LL psychitrist recently. is "movement disorder" really considered a psyc sx??? i dont get it.
"These immune reactions can result in psychiatric symptoms such as obsessive�ness, movement disorders, paranoia, and others"
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beaches
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From what I know and read, Lyme/cos can cause a great deal of psychiatric symptoms, among them OCD, anxiety, rage and tic disorders and I have also read that schizophrenia can also result.
I wouldn't be surprised at all to find other psych ailments attributed to Lyme/cos.
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lpkayak
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yes-but what psyc sx is movement disorder...are you thinking the tics? i get they are related to lyme but to psyc?
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beaches
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Who knows? I don't know what a movement disorder is.
Can you ask Dr. B?
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Keebler
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- Is that doctor ILADS educated? Does not sound like it.
I'd like to see the link, the exact source of that quote so as to better evaluate the author's expertise in the area.
Myoclonus is one example of a movement disorder that often affects those with lyme.
Myoclonus can also move into myoclonic seizures.
In my experience, these are NOT pyschiatric at all. Toxic infection, damage to brain, to liver, etc. can be some of the related triggers/causes.
Gluten can also cause movement disorders for those with celiac or gluten sensitivity. Really. Gluten can even trigger seizures.
Vaccines can trigger movement disorders, too. Likely connect to mercury so also consider
Heavy Metals, parasites and so much more as possible connectors. -
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beaches
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keebler, google dr b in nj
pretty sure you must know who that is...
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Keebler
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- I dont' know.
If there is a written article on the web from which that was quoted, a link would be helpful.
Another movement disorcer common with lyme is ataxia.
Magnesium deficiency (very common with lyme) can be another lyme-related contributor to various movement disorders, too. -
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lpkayak
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it was dr b in nj...but it might take me time to go back and find exact artical...
im in a mess right now with my own movement disorder escalating...i will try to find it again but keeb you dont take pms and i cant post it here i dont think...could you google the quote...it might pop up
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Keebler
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- Thanks so much for the link. My eyes cannot find where he says that. Can you direct me to about how far down the page or in which section?
By what I read so far, it sounds as if he's saying there is a physcial explanation for psychiatric manifestations. -
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lpkayak
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huh!!! ez...very last paragraph...
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Keebler
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- Thanks. I think something got lost in translation. I don't think he's saying that movement disorders are psychiatric.
I think he's saying that the physical complexities of lyme can present symptoms across the board but are rooted in the physical.
That's the way I read, though for those who think the brain is not part of the body, I can see how they might still want to separate out psychiatric and somatic - sadly.
It's hard for those kinds of professionals to really give credit to the physical and see that the brain, the mind is actually physical, too.
Still, my interpretaion is colored by my thoughts and I want to read that he says physical infection such as lyme can cause all kinds of symptoms and not to just put those in a strict category. Maybe?
It's hard to read tone in such a piece and, after years of learning about lyme can mess with everything about a body, a mind, a brain I think I probably interpret this piece differently than someone unfamiliar with the devastation of it all. And that would really be his audience here, new doctors, I assume.
Maybe he is cautioning those doctors who previously would usually have put someone with a movement disorder (etc.) into a pyschiatric box to NOT do that. I hope. -
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lpkayak
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yeah-its complicated. he is a good man tho
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Keebler
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- Maybe he has to word it so that the psychiatrists don't all bail out at the get-go.
I don't get how so much is automatically classified as psychiatric or even psychological but SOME of those who work in those areas are very protective of their labels. Others are more open minded, even about nutrient deficiencies linking to mood disorders, etc.
Still, anyone trying to teach them about lyme walks a fine line. -
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MichaelTampa
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My guess would be he's referring to tics. I wouldn't call it a psych symptom. I've heard psychiatrists refer to the emotional disturbances and tics that come with Tourette's as neuropsychiatric sx, which is close to this person you're referring to. They're just words. Sensitivity to light is also technically referred to as "photophobia", so lots of things have all sorts of stupid names.
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GiGi
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Die-off of any microorganism releases Neurotoxins readily and can put a person into the psyche category. Movement disorders can also be caused by neurotoxins. especially if too many are released too quickly.
What are neurotoxins?
find the list of neurotoxins in order of importance here:
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