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I am hoping to hear experiences of dental issues with lyme as i have been having a major debilitating problem. I have had dental pain on lower left that was unexplainable. Xrays were fine. So we decided it must be neurological. But then i began getting a discharge into my mouth so i knew it wasnt just nerves. Also it gets better with abx.
I had four teeth extracted and each one lessened the discharge. A jawbone scan was normal. One normal untreated tooth had died...the others were root canals.
We do no know for sure if i have lyme or not. I did test igm positive. This dental problem is going on for a year and we just tested for lyme.
So...those of you that were affected in the jaw, did you also have significant discharge/ infection that you couod taste leaking into your mouth and redness and swelling?
Thanks!
The discharge will actually come out of my cheek.
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I describe the dental pain I had with lyme disease in this thread:
I did not have any discharge of any kind. What you are describing as a discharge sounds like an infection to me. That is why antibiotics help it. Redness and swelling accompany infection in teeth, just like with an infected cut anywhere else on the body.
When my husband had an abscessed tooth, he could taste the pus leaking into his mouth. That is always a tell-tale sign. A dental surgeon pushed on the gum around this tooth, and I could see pus come down from the gum onto the tooth. (The tooth was cracked. This crack could not be seen by a regular dentist on X-ray.)
You need the right antibiotic for the right amount of time to get rid of this.
A dental infection is nothing to fool with because it can lead to a brain infection or other very serious health problem. I have a relative who had teeth pulled while he had infection in his mouth and it turned into meningitis. (The infection around the tooth got into the bloodstream and went to his brain.) He had to be rushed to the hospital. Then, he bled in his brain while in the hospital and had to have brain surgery to remove a clot in the brain as large as your fist. He is permanently brain damaged to this day. Happened over 10 years ago now.
So, I don't think that the infection is from lyme disease. You better get to someone who can treat this infection and clear it up--perhaps an oral surgeon.
Also, regarding lyme, if you tested IgM positive, you have lyme disease. Please look at the explanation of the Western Blot (by a lyme doctor) that is posted here:
"With most infections, your immune system first forms IgM antibodies, then in about 2 to 4 weeks, you see IgG antibodies. In some infections, IgG antibodies may be detectable for years.
Because Borrelia burgdorferi is a chronic persistent infection that may last for decades, you would think patients with chronic symptoms would have positive IgG Western blots.
But actually, more IgM blots are positive in chronic borreliosis than IgG. Every time Borrelia burgdorferi reproduces itself, it may stimulate the immune system to form new IgM antibodies.
Some patients have both IgG and IgM blots positive. But if either the IgG or IgM blot is positive, overall it is a positive result.
Response to antibiotics is the same if either is positive, or both."
And also:
"In my clinical experience, if a patient has symptoms suspicious for borreliosis, and has one or more of the following bands, there is a very high probability the patient has borreliosis.
These bands are 18, 22, 23-25, 28, 30, 31, 34, 37, 39, 41, 83, and 93.
[---- from DR C's update from 2005 --- ----The significant antibodies, in my opinion, are the 18, 23-25, 28, 30, 31, 34, 39, 58, 66 and 93.----]
This is true regardless of whether it is IgG or IgM.. But again, there is no universal agreement on the significance of these bands."
You may not know this, but it is difficult to get a positive ANYTHING (IgG or IgM) on the Western Blot. So, it means that your body has produced quite a few antibodies to the lyme bacteria. The only reason your body would do that is exposure to the lyme bacteria. So, if you have symptoms of lyme disease and this test result, you definitely have lyme disease.
If you would like to post the individual band results for your Western Blot in a new post, many people will respond. Doctors who do not treat lyme disease full time often think the patient has a negative lyme test when a lyme specialist would say the test is positive. So, what has happened to you is very common.
Post your test results and more people will chime in and tell their stories!
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Ok thanks will post in new post.
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You may be able to treat this with pulsed electromagnetic therapy. The SOTA Magnetic Pulser does this, and there are other similar units available.
"Pulsed Electro Magnetic Fields influence cell behavior by inducing electrical changes around and within the cell. Improved blood supply increases the oxygen pressure, activating and regenerating cells."
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So glad to see this. My Lyme was diagnosed after a particularly rough tooth and sinus infection that refused to clear up and resulted in three fillings and a root canal.
With antibiotics, the pain would recede, but then it would creep back. I could press on a point just above the gum line above the tooth and rockets of pain would burst off.
When my doc had me take a rest from antibiotics after a tough herx, the pain and sensitivity returned.
Hmmm. With a root canal, there should be an inability to feel pain like that I was told.
IMHO, our Lyme and co-infections can behave differently in our unique bodies. My naturopath tested me and also found mold, flukes, bb. He suspects the area I described above that tooth may have been the initial point where parasites set up house.
And yes, there is a nasty taste when the infection was rampant. Oh, and fevers that relapse are now part and parcel for me with temps that soar to 104 at times and then at other times plummet to 94.7.
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