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My daughter just started taking A-BAB last week. We only started with Day (1) - One Drop on Thursday, today she is instructed to take (1) Drop and then work up from there to (2) drops, etc. She didn't have any kind of response to it that was noticeable at first but today (4) days later, she is feeling horrible. Throat tight, dizzy, head pressure and fever. Some of these symptoms are her early lyme symptoms from 3 years ago. I just don't know if she is sick or if it's a herx? Can you get a fever with a herx? I'm afraid to give her dose two while she is sick, so not sure what to do?
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lm1, I couldn't take A-Bab because it gave me a bad headache. I have been able to take A-Bart. Give your llmd or nd a call and let them know of this new development. It could be that the parasites are exiting the red cell and the body is trying to help by creating a fever. But do give your doc a call. Babesia is a piroplasm like Malaria.
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I say that because the stuff takes a few days to kick in --and when it does, watch out!
I seemed to tolerate it well at first, but within days I was a mess:
Throat pain, tightness, breathing -- agitation, insomnia, crying, wild variations with temp, with inability to actually regulate it, bladder issues..
I was still having these issues at 1/4 drop per every few days!
Do not hesitate to cease giving it to her for a few days and then restart at a super low dose to see how she does as it can be a pretty awful ride while you are on it honestly, esp if you don't get her down to a more tolerable dosage, otherwise you are doing more harm than good.
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She has only taken one dose and a lot of folks on here were saying that they felt something immediately and she didn't. That's why I'm not sure if it's the A-BAB or a virus and if she has a virus is it okay to still give her the A-BAB? I mean, she only took one drop although I read it's potent and 1 drop can do a lot of harm. But if she' feeling sick, it's working right? Maybe I should continue to give her but 1/2 drop tonight? Not sure, I may call the LLMD.
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It sounds like A-BAB to me. I would definitely call her doctor.
A-BAB is very strong. I could not get up to the dose your daughter is taking. I reacted from less than one drop on multiple tries! I could not tolerate it.
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I have a call into the LLMD, I'll ask him what I should do. I didn't think it would cause a fever, so that's what threw me
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Babesia can cause fever.
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So Sammi, so you think it's killing the babs and bringing it out to cause the fever?
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So Sammi, so you think it's killing the babs and bringing it out to cause the fever?
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I think is is very possible. I am glad you called her doctor.
Is she doing things for detox?
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If you do a search on here for fever & Babesia, I suspect you will find something as I have heard other people in the past state that they have gotten fever while treating it.
Its almost unimaginable just how strong these drops actually are --- I understand how unlikely it sounds that one very minuscule drop would cause any fallout, but it in fact does. And it can happen after one dose, especially if its above what someones body can tolerate.
Sadly, many of the LLMDs who are treating with the formulas unfortunately are not well versed on them.
You might actually get more help googling to find out if this is somehow connected.
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Sammi, she's really not doing anything for detox. She used to be so good at this stuff when first diagnosed. That's when she was like 14. Now she's 17, juggling school, work and a boyfriend for two years now. She let herself go as far as keeping up with her meds, and I see her going backwards. She has chronic migraines which make her miss at least one day per school. This child has me out of my mind sometimes. LLMD started the A-Babs because he thought it would be easier for her to remember since she is always on the run. His protocol was one drop on Thursday and one drop on Monday, then the following week you start with the two drops and so on.. So he is starting her very slow but she seems to of hit a herx on her first dose. Still waiting for him to call. Her detox methods were taking baths with Epson salt and peroxide, or drinking water with real lemon in it. Is there anything else you guys can suggest that is easily obtainable for me?
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Robbie M - Did you get better from the A-Babs? And thanks for helping me out here too!
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Sounds like she is herxing on one drop. Some say start with 1/3 drop and work up slowly.
Our daughter stopped taking A-L Complex from BW due to throat tightness.
Another LN member felt the drops were hitting Lyme, but our teenager would not continue with the drops.
Sounds like throat issues as experienced with our daughters and Robbi might be a healing reaction.
Glad to hear you contacted the Dr.
Hope she has great results with the Byron White drops.
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I did not pursue treating Babesia -- my LLMD felt that what I was going through was an indicator that I needed to treat Parasites, which I have been doing (fairly) steadily since then.
One or several of these infections seem to gravitate and lodge in the neck, jaw, underneath/behind the ear region alot of the time.
For me, I get pain in the neck, throat, , clavicle, ear, and jaw when I am hitting something hard. I also get a lump in the side of my throat that seems to cause sleep apnea at times. Also the tightness.
Case in point, I finally made the decision to take MMS -- like Gigi has said on here before, it's powerful stuff. After taking for a day or two, the lump in the neck, along with the pain in the side of the throat, ear and clavicle is very much back.
Unfortunately, I have never heard anything about this from any of the doctors that explains what this is.
i do know however that the throat is a big area for biofilm formation, so I guess it makes sense that as the toxins and infections are getting hit, the inflammation and pain starts to flare.
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lauriemay1, I cannot imagine how challenging it must be to get your daughter, a busy teenager, to take the treatments she needs. My heart goes out to you.
Byron White recently had a teleconference for patients. He said that often when people get slammed with symptoms from his products, it is because they are not detoxing.
Detox is very important so toxins are not circulating in the body. What your daughter is doing now is good, but I wonder if more is needed?
Byron White has a powdered formula called Detox 2. I have found it very helpful. You add 1/4 teaspoon to a small amount of filtered water and drink it. Then you drink more water right after. It has to be taken away from meds and supplements though or it will bind with them also.
I have to tell you it tastes foul! I don't know if you could get your daughter to use it. Maybe some other moms here can help with more tolerable detox suggestions.
It is amazing to me how strong the BW products are. You may have to split the drop between doses. I definitely would not increase it very quickly.
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After speaking to the doctor, we are laying off the A-BABS for a few days to see if symptoms decrease, then we will start up again. We just want to make sure it's NOT a virus and it is a herx. I guess that's the best way to determine. She is out of school again today. She was find from like 3PM until she went to bed last night, then as soon as she lays down,the migraine comes back. She said she thought she was dying last night, nauseaus, painful head pressure, couldn't sleep... I just don't know what to do for her anymore. It makes me crazy. We see a neuro on Thursday night, my fear is that he won't understand Lyme, and I don't know how much information to give him on that regard.
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I have taken the Detox 2 and it isn't that bad. Just looks gross. We don't eat too many black foods usually. Byron White also has an NT-Detox formula and a couple others that help with lymph and neurotoxins etc. You should ask your doc to find out about them. BW is also having another teleconference on April 24th at 5:30. The last one was very helpful. This one is no doubt going to be good as well. You have to sign up on their website in order to participate but they don't sell your email or send you advertising because they don't even sell directly to the public. Doc WHite is just doing it to get the word out about how to heal yourself.
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My daughter has had similar issues recently. She had been on an herbal protocol from her llmd and had very mild herxing as we've progressed.
In the meantime, though, she came down with strep throat (confirmed via throat culture).
Yesterday she came down with what we figured was a stomach bug - vomiting, nausea, fever.
I've had similar issues myself and have also wondered "is this a herx or a virus?" In some cases, it was obviously a herx because the nausea/vomiting came quickly and left quickly.
But with a longer herx, it wouldn't be as obvious. I will, however, call our llmd in case things get worse or do not improve soon.
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