beaches
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Has anyone ever heard of this or tried it?
Someone recently mentioned this to me as a potential treatment for autoimmune diseases.
Might be a stretch, but I'd think that UV blood irradiation could also kill TBDs and other nasties like parasites.
What do you all think?
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- I explored this a few years ago when I thought I would have a bit of money. I decided against it.
It sounds like a nice idea, though, and may have some benefit but I very much doubt it would help for "stealth" infections. It's not the "cure" many have claimed it to be.
It cannot kill lyme in the body and also can't address other infections, even parasites as it only takes out so much blood at any one time. Unless there could be some kind of total blood exchange, tissue exchange, too, there is no way to eradicate the bad guy microbes by this method.
And, as for what some say about how the blood after it goes back into the body can fight infection then, not with lyme. Spirochetes and cysts can be anywhere in the body, even the bone.
I have a friend who did several months of this, a couple different times, all in the order suggested. She is much poorer but no better from it.
Now, of major consideration, she did nothing else to address lyme. It may be that this, in combination with a more comprehensive approach would have a different outcome.
It might also have a different outcome for infections that would be just in the blood stream or in tissue close to the blood supply. Perhaps, yet I still have doubts if this, alone, would be enough for any deep chronic infection.
She did notice a little lift at times when doing the treatment but it was short lived. And she did notice that the "MS" patients in the waiting room seemed to do better but she did not see any followup for those other patients after she stopped.
Now, my thoughts are based on what I learned a few years ago. It will be interesting to see if others have done this.
Be sure to search at Scott F's site: The Better Health Guy - he reviews nearly all viable options.
Also see the site for "Public Health Alert" a lyme newsletter. -
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- Nothing from a search at www.betterhealthguy.com - nothing either with a search of "UV" or "blood irradiation"
So, I went to Google for a cross search of:
Scott Forsgren, UV blood irradiation --- No search results at all.
Googled: UV blood irradiation, borellia --- nothing jumps out here, either, other than this one for poor little mice who did not fare so well with it:
The effect of UV irradiation on infection of mice with Borrelia burgdorferi (2001)
Excerpt:
. . . In addition, UV irradiation altered the dissemination pattern of the bacteria from the skin into the blood and exacerbated arthritis when compared with unirradiated controls. . . . -
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LymeNet Archives has NINE THREADS in the medical forum (did not search the general forum) on this topic going back to 2006.
For a faster search that still captures the entire phrase, search in subject line for just this term: irradiation -
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beaches
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Good points, Keebler.
The person who was telling me about this was referring to a patient dx'ed with RA who supposedly was beginning to feel better. I'm skeptical, b/c we all know that LD/cos can manifest as RA.
So, moving onward... perhaps we should all just get our bodies irradiated instead of our foods!
That might very well kill off all the pesky pathogens regardless of where they're hiding.
Hmmm...now that might just be a good idea.
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My understanding is it only has an effect on the blood... was mentioned on the webinars given on Tuesday nights by the WA doctor
He didn't believe it was very helpful...
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I am currently doing this and ozone treatments and I am very pleased with the results and gains I am getting from it
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Here is a Dr Rowan and Dr Mercola interview on the topic. I get a UVB/Ozone IV at least once a week. I have had about 7 so far and this week was the first week I felt relaxed and better after the treatment.
I am also doing the Dr K cocktail and MMS two to three times a day. I work full time so it is hard to do it 3 times a day like morning lunch and dinner but I can do it on the weekend.
All the Best, MattH
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beaches
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So Maya and Matt, do you think this is hitting your infections at all?
I'm not at all interested in the relaxation aspect of any treatment at this point...just looking for other things that work to kill the pathogens.
Matt, thx for the link. I will check it out.
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Blood UV radiation or ozone only deal with pathogens in the blood. Stealth pathogens hide in tissues where blood does not go.
So IMHO, this is only going to get a person to a certain point and no farther...must be combined with other treatments.
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Yeah, I realize that, but was hoping to hear differently.
I was partly serious when I was wondering if we could just get our bodies irradiated instead of our foods.
Heck, we're already x-rayed, MRI'ed, CAT-scanned, ultra-sounded, mammogrammed up the wazoo as it is.
So is it really such a stretch to plop ourselves on a table, get irradiated and see what happens?
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Razzle has a good point about not getting deep enough but I also am treating my head with Ozone insufflation, and breathing it through ozonated oil. I am trying to get my bacterial load down and also repair my liver from all the ABX. The Ozone does seem to be helping me drop my blood pressure.
I am not sure Ozone can get real deep (but Dr R on the link above thinks so) and I may need rife or bio photon eventually but I got to about 60% using ABX and stalled with high liver enzymes. I need to keep killing bugs while I cannot use ABX so that is why the K cocktail, MMS and Ozone IV. I committed to do at least one a week for 3 months and then see what my symptoms are.
I really would like to move to a bio photon but want to drop the bacterial and parasite load before I do.
All the Best, MattH
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In my opinion this treatment is somewhat effective on viruses but will do next to nothing for lyme or babesia or other blood borne parasites. Not really sure if it could help with bartonella or not.
Hubby did 4 of these treatments back in 2003 or so before he was given any antibiotics -- he did not have a diagnosis at that time and we were exploring alternative medicine treatments trying to at least get some symptom improvement.
It also depends a lot on the doc -- some charge astronomical amounts of money for these type of treatments and others actually pass the blood thru the UVB light 2 times for a much lower cost.
Hubby also did 12 blood ozone treatments which did next to nothing for him.
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