dbpei
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My LLNP suggested I take oregano oil as it is a natural antibiotic and can be helpful with oral infections. I have a dental infection and I am going to be having the tooth extracted. I just wondered if it is safe to take oregano oil before surgery. I thought I read somewhere that some of the spicy oils can prevent the blood from clotting.
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Keebler
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- It's best to ask a LL ND (naturopathic doctor) but generally, EVERYTHING might need to be stopped a certain point before surgery. For some things, it may be a full 2 weeks, for others, maybe 2 days, others . . . well, the only professionals who will know for sure are those with years of training in this field.
Now, I know that may not be possible to find at this point but the links here can lead you to good sources where you may find your exact answer.
You may find this from a web search, for this one thing but to find what WILL work for YOUR body a LL ND or LL L.Ac. would be best.
They would also know about certain homeopathic options that could be used all along.
I will also search my file notes for posts regarding surgery. In the meantime: -
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- When considering herbal / nutritional / adjunct methods:
if at all possible - because each person & each case is different - it's best to consult with an ILADS-educated LL ND (lyme literate naturopathic doctor) (or similar) who has completed four years of post-graduate medical education in the field of herbal and nutritional medicine -
- and someone who is current with ILADS' research & presentations, past and present, and has completed the ILADS Physician Training Program (see: www.ilads.org )
Many LL NDs incorporate antibiotics (depending upon the licensing laws in their state). Some LLMDs and LL NDs have good working relationships.
When possible, it's great to have both a LLMD and LL ND and even better when they have a long-standing professional relationship.
Integrative / Holistic M.D., etc. (Be aware that those in this category can have various levels of formal herbal &/or nutritional education, perhaps even just a short course. Do ask first.)
Links to many articles and books by holistic-minded LL doctors of various degrees . . . . -
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Surgery Pre-op -
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- This applies to any surgery or dental procedure where a numbing agent is to be used. As EPI (epinephrine) is in many of those and we are best to keep away from that. Here's why:
colonoscopy & EPI -
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Keebler
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- Since this is for your MOUTH, rather than oral gel caps of Oregano oil (if you find that is not a good idea) . . . you should still be able to swish a tincture containing that with water as a mouth wash.
That's what I think ("think" being the variable here) but it'd be best to have a LL ND or LL L.Ac. confirm the product and form best for this and if there would be a cut off time. -
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Keebler
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- These have both been on my wish list for some time. Reader Reviews are available at Amazon. Budget constraints have kept these from me so far but perhaps these links will be of help to you:
The Silent Saboteurs: Unmasking Our Own Oral Spirochetes As The Key To Saving TRILLIONS in Health Care Costs
-by William D. Nordquist, BS, DMD, MS
& David J. Krutchkoff, DDS, MS
236 Pages, $25.95 -
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Keebler
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- BIOLOGICAL DENTIST ?
Assume you don't have one or you'd be able to ask them. If you can locate one, anywhere you might ask their office manager if they might be able to talk to you for a minute - or suggest a particular book or website.
Not all biological dentists necessarily have equal training in herbal & nutritional medicine as NDs, L.Ac.s - or even as each other - however, my guess ("guess" again) is that they are much more likely to have a certain amount of education in adjunct methods of pre-surgical proactive steps, etc. -
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Hi Keebler, My goodness, thank you for all of that information! I will need to process it all one by one, but did want you to know that I did see 2 biological dentists. I wasn't crazy about either one of them and just finally found a dentist from IAOMT who is trained to safely remove mercury fillings, but he is not a biological dentist. He doesn't know much about herbs.
My LLNP is integrative and does a lot with herbs. But she had recommended Vit C before my extraction and I later learned that it can interfere with anesthesia... We have been emailing to communicate and it takes a couple of days to get a response, so I thought it would be a good idea to ask the people here who might have been through this.
I have been searching on google, but haven't been able to learn of any contra-indications with the oregano oil before surgery.
I did ask the oral surgeon about leaving out the epinephrine but he might need to use a small amount in order to get the blood to clot at the socket.
It is all so overwhelming. I am scared to have the surgery, but there is a bad infection brewing in my jaw, that actually feels like it is connected to my ear. It may be responsible for my horrible tinnitus and strange auditory sensations. Wouldn't it be amazing if my symptoms subside or at least improve with the healing that takes place when I get rid of that tooth?
I will be getting a consult with another oral surgeon tomorrow and hopefully, will be able to get rid of this infection soon. Thanks again for your help!
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- Neither a NP nor an "integrative" doctor has the same level of education in the area of herbs & nutrition as do NDs and L.Ac.s - some can have five minutes of formal training or just an interest and call themselves "integrative" --
Do you have access to a RIFE machine? it could help the state of the infection.
I strongly suggest finding a LL ND or LL L.Ac. if at all possible. Do not try to figure this out on your own.
Ask them who the very best oral surgeons are - who would THEY go to?
I also think there may be other things besides "a small bit of epinephrine" that could help control the clotting of the blood at the surgical site. Even a small bit can send someone with lyme to the moon.
Still, if the oral surgeon is not going to look for other options that won't overly excite your nervous and adrenal systems, you MUST take prevetnative measures so that your body does not zoom to the moon.
Magnesium is one thing to balance that but I don't know about how that would work with surgery. I really wish you could find a LL ND to guide you. Even if you can't afford one, call the ones closest to you and ask who THEY would recommend for dental surgery.
You might find a dentist who already knows all this.
I guarantee that if you take oregano oil gel caps, whoever is going to be working on your mouth will be smelling that (as the odor rises from your GI tract and from your skin, too -- and it may not work for them if they are sensitive to it.
The same would go for Allicin's strong odor (but I also think that would have blood thickness issues with surgery).
If you use a tincture for a mouth rinse, though, that would not have lingering odor.
What won't smell is Andrographis or Berberine. But I do not know if they would be safe regarding oral surgery.
Antibiotics may be the best approach for surgery. -
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I have to chime in here. When having an extraction what is paramount is finding an excellent oral surgeon first and foremost. I learned this the hard way. When I needed a tooth extracted I went to a place that advertises "holistic dentistry" . It was a huge mistake. It took the dentist over 2 hrs to get the tooth out. I lost count of how many novocaines he administered and drove home from the procedure in excruciating pain. I was out of work for 3 days.
Several days later I developed excruciating pain and went to a regular oral surgeon. When I told himabout the procedure he told me there is no way to "holistically " remove a tooth and when it comes to extraction you want to go to a place that does them successfully. The holistic dentist gave me oregano oil, injuritox and digestive enzymes to take which honestly I could have done without, gone to the other oral surgeon and saved myself alot of pain.
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- I whole heartedly agree with Ellen. The best oral surgeon is key. For support, a LL ND can be very valuable but the key is the surgeon.
For regular dental care, holistic dentists can range widely in scholarship, experience, etc. Not all are equal. But, again, for a surgical procedure, you want the best surgeon you can find.
And, really, I would take the particular antibiotics if recommended for a surgical procedure.
There are some things you can do beforehand - and afterward - for support. That's where a LL ND or LL L.Ac. would come in. -
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