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There's some brief description of the components but no explanation of how to use the machine. I guess there was some recent FDA litigation against Rife manufacturers and they can no longer give advice on frequencies or usage timings, etc?
I'm pretty clueless. Can somebody help? I've searched through old posts but have not found something basic to start off with.
I'm looking for real basic info like: -how long should the session last? -how often? -how far should you sit from the plasma tube? -etc.
Thanks.
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Abxnomore
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When I used mine made by the same person it was basically like ABX. Start out slowly and ramp up as much as you can take. You just have to be in the room with it.
I used keep it close to a chair I was sitting in but you don't necessarily need to be very close to it. And anyone it the room can benefit from
it. I always found that those who had lyme felt strange things and those who did not had no reaction at all....interesting.
I would suggest the first day maybe using it for five minutes and see how you feel. The next day longer. If it knocks you downtoo much back off.
You can do it everyday too, if you can tolerate it.
Just go slowly and play with it until you find what works for you. I used to use mine every day and eventually would sit with it for about 20 to 30 minutes.
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Try one frequency for 30 seconds the first time. It is impossible to know what reaction any particular person will have the first time out.
612 Hz is a good one to try. Wait for about ten days and see what reaction you get. If you react it should be withing ten days for sure.
I think the once every two weeks treatment is a good starting point until you know your reaction and tolerance. Later when you have reduced the bacteria you can use it once a week if you can clear out the toxins that quickly.
It really depends on the person, how frequent you can use it and how long per session.
Put it right on your lap. The closer it is the more effective it is.
More is not better, when starting out.
Dan
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This is all from the notes and information page from the maker of my EMEM5:
As Lymetoo says, no more than every two weeks (12 days minimum). This is the most important part because more often than that and you could risk kidney or liver failure due to the body's inability to keep up with getting out the toxins from die-off.
If you herx too mucy, do less the next time in 12 - 14 days. However, if you do everything right, you do not have to herx. It is preferable to not herx if you can.
Always end with 10K frequency as that will help decrease possible herx by addressing inflammation and lymph. This is really important.
You can find a frequency list and they are all the same. But be sure you get the list from a good source and double check with others to be sure there were no typos, etc. While the frequencies are the same numbers regardless of the kind of rife, what may be different for different kinds of rife machines could be the time. You'd want to check on that so, to be safe, be sure to specify your type.
Start very slowly. Less is best.
Again, no more than 12 - 14 days for lyme treatments, although 10K can be run more frequently as that does not address infection, just inflammation and lymph.
Do not use the rife near a TV or a computer.
You can glance at the tube but do not focus on it or stare at it.
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Just my hunch here, but I assume it'd be good to take off your watch or any jewelry.
Unplug when not in use (to protect the machine from a power surge, even if you use a surge protector, they do not always work) and never use if there is a chance of a thunderstorm during use. But that is pretty standard advice with all electrical/electronics.
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thanks for all the tips guys. I will do the first session today with the well known Lyme frequency.
I was looking at the CAFL list and it looks like there are a ton of frequencies for Lyme alone!
How many people actually use many of the freq's listed? and how do they come up with the freq's (do they observe the bug's response under a microscope?)
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612 Hz and 432 Hz have both been used while observed under a microscope. They both killed or damaged Lyme bacteria. Harmonics of these frequencies can also be used. For instance 306 Hz is a lower harmonic of 612 Hz. If you multiply by two, the next harmonic is 1224 Hz.
For my wife, 306 did not seem to work as well as 612, so we use 612. I am fortunate in that she feels the effective frequencies. They cause joint pain while running them. this is not typical, but it is useful.
There are other working frequencies and different strains of Lyme, so personal experimentation is needed.
That is why I suggest using one frequency at a time, especially since your machine runs one at a time. Then you can identify specific frequencies that work for your strain. Trying to run all of the CAFL list one frequency at a time is a little much for practical use.
We run eight at a time, so we can hit all of them in a reasonable amount of time.
Dan
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Keebler
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I got this in 2007 -- and never did all my homework to really settle down . . . and the fan, to me, is very loud - I seem to be the only person in the history of this machine, though, that has trouble with the fan sound. I do have severe hyperacusis, though, and I just recoiled from this. Time to get back to business, though.
I was also first attending to Babesia and heavy metals and trying to get my life in order so as to do this right - order has never quite happened, so your inquiry has me dusting it off, getting down to work, finally.
I also found that I needed to find a place to put it and keep it there as it's a big hard to life without handles.
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EMEM-5a Rife
EXCERPTS from the information page that came with my EMEM-5a Rife machine. From the maker of it.
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For Lyme Disease: Start with 2 minutes each: 432, 800, 4328, & 10K.
Babesia: 20, 27
Ehrlichia: 375, 550, 942, 1064 (WAIT, though, until after 5-6 lyme tx)
Bartonella: 1518
Pain: 15, 306, 10K
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Lyme: Treat only every 12 - 14 days, TWO minutes each number. When reactions are less, you can increase to 3 minutes each number.
all others below, Treat along with lyme treatment:
Babesia: 2 to 3 minutes each number. It should NOT increase your reactions
Bartonella: 2 - 3 minutes, with no added reactions.
Erhlichia: Same as Rocky Mt. Spotted Fever, without the rash. Start with ONE minute each AFTER 5 - 6 lyme Treatments.
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The day after a treatment (tx), most people feel worse; fatigue, achy joints, muscle pain, or any other Lyme symptom. This is usually followed by "loose stool" or diarrhea 1 - 2 days later.
Second Lyme tx is done one week after the first, then the third and all other tx are done at 2 week intervals.
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WARNING:
This is an experimental machine that emits audio and broad range electrical and magnetic frequencies.
Do NOT use machine if you are pregnant, wear a pacemakcer, implanted hearing aid or any implanted medical electronic device.
Do NOT run this machine near a computer, or too close to a television.
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THIS MACHINE WILL LAST LONGER IF YOU DON'T OVERHEAT IT.
Run it for 20 - 30 minutes, then let it cool down for at least 30 minutes.
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I tripled checked the numbers above to be sure they matched my information page. Again, these were personalized and may have been intended as a beginning for me.
Good luck to you.
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Keebler
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I assume you got some sort of instructions for how to turn the numbers, etc. There are 8 steps here. - But you said you got NOTHING ?
I also got two pages about then hand-held number thingy. Mine is :
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10 MHz Signal Generator for the EMEM 5A. Model SG-10
Output Impedance: 50 ohm
Excerpts for instruction page:
He told me this: "Do not put in a battery - batteries will not work with bulb machines."
4. keep a "0" in both windows to the far left at ALL TIMES
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7. When changing frequency, turn off the signal generator switch, change numbers, then turn the switch back on. (you can leave the machine turned on) or you can change the frequency numnber while everything is running BUT . . . be sure a number is left at all times
In other words, don't erase a number, just change it, one at at time.
8. When finished w/ tx, turn off the MACHINE switch.
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I also got what seems to be a page simply with specs about this, not operating instructions.
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If you need the complete page, let me know but this is all I can type now.
Keebler
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This is just a photo and the data page. The instructions that I referred to above had been hand typed by the maker of my machine. I cannot find those by a simple search.
If this is not your model of generator, you can google the name on yours.
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Thanks for the frequencies keebler, I will note those down in my manual. I got some instructions on the physical operation of the unit but nothing treatment specific.
By the way I got my machine from rifelabs. But I noticed that the website of your manufacturer has gone defunct since a few days ago. I feel there's a crackdown beginning on these machines.
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My guy never had a web site. Ever. I might have given you another link, though.
Sad about what's happening and that is why I'm so glad you are taking the effort to learn to do this right. We don't need any ER visits and even just one bad experience can affect everyone's ability to choose rife as part of their plan.
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Keebler, I had my husband put a handle on the top of my EMEM5a for me. Just a metal handle with 2 screws on each end. It makes it so much easier to move it around. I still carry it with my other hand underneath, but without a handle I was afraid the whole thing would slip out of my hands and crash.
Also, for the original poster in this thread, I started with 15 seconds for several frequencies and worked my way up in 15-second intervals. I am now at 1 minute each.
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quote:Originally posted by Abxnomore: When I used mine made by the same person it was basically like ABX. Start out slowly and ramp up as much as you can take. You just have to be in the room with it.
I used keep it close to a chair I was sitting in but you don't necessarily need to be very close to it. And anyone it the room can benefit from
it. I always found that those who had lyme felt strange things and those who did not had no reaction at all....interesting.
I would suggest the first day maybe using it for five minutes and see how you feel. The next day longer. If it knocks you downtoo much back off.
You can do it everyday too, if you can tolerate it.
Just go slowly and play with it until you find what works for you. I used to use mine every day and eventually would sit with it for about 20 to 30 minutes.
Hello,
I'm dealing against Lyme disease, me and my family. I tried abs, buhner, doug coil... I'm still stuck.
I saw a comment from you about the EMEM machine? Does it worked? Could you give me your opinion of it?
Any info would be usefull.
Best regards.
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Keebler
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- joecheagaray ,
as with another thread of yours, you've found a very old thread where many of the posters are no longer here.
You ask a question of Abxnomore, whose last post was 09 December, 2017. That's only been four months, not many years as with some from the other thread, yet, you may not receive a reply from that poster.
Still, yes, the EMEM works. But it's not necessary that simple. It's a very involved process with many variables.
You state in your other thread that you have a doug coil. So you may not need an EMEM. Rosener's book . . . and the discussion thread here may answer many of your questions.
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