Summer3
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Does anyone know where I could find info on the half-life of Cowden herbs?
I decided to start some Cowden herbs since being dropped by my LLMD. I can't afford to do all of it so I need to tweak it to be manageable. Buhner herbs haven't helped me in the past, and some of the other protocols are too expensive to even attempt. Especially since most likely, I will need to do something long-term.
I so far have Cumanda, Banderol, Samento and Quina. I'm starting with Quina. I will probably eventually add Enula and Mora as well. I'm going to try to figure out which ones I can take easily and which ones create herxing. I prefer to stick to ones that create some sort of clear herx.
I'm not following the protocol "by the book" due to financial reasons and also because of the physical and emotional state that I'm in right now. I'm not in a good place so I'm just trying to figure out how to do some type of treatment and get back to my stagnant "normal" level.
I'm doing each one individually for one week at first and then may start combining. Do herbs have a half-life? I'm trying to determine if it's beneficial to take one big dose per day or several smaller doses.
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- Call the company directly. They will not be able to advise you on which formulas you should take (by law, they just can't comment) however they may be able to say something about those that last longer (which is what half-life questions usually are about).
Your LLMD would be the one to help determine if you are to cut corners, what gets put out of the plan. Always best to consult with your LLMD or LL ND about any change. -
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Summer3
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LOL Keebler. I wish I could consult with my LLMD but I was dropped with no notice. I'm on my own.........
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- Is there any way to access a LL ND? They would have the training to better address questions about herbs. -
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Not really. I know an ND that I trust somewhat, but my situation is becoming fairly serious so a lot of doctors hesitate to give me any advice at this point regarding Lyme.
My Lyme doctor dropped me partially because he didn't know what to do and the case was too serious (I assume, I wasn't given a reason). I'm having heart complications, I'm underweight, I have significant neurological problems and can barely get up anymore etc. Nobody wants the responsibility and I can't afford the LLMD's that would take on my case.
I am going to have to figure things out myself at this point since my financial situation is not favorable. I am not concerned too much about taking risks because my symptoms are so serious right now anyway. I've been off everything for many weeks.
Things are getting to the point that I'm losing my ability to function well. Not taking a risk and under-treating would be more of a danger to me at this point. I don't have much to lose.
So far, for me, I've been very cautious because I was in a very bad state of mind and physically can't handle much. I started yesterday with Quina alone; 20 drops. Today I did 20 drops 2x. I will not go over that dose because any further worsening would be too difficult to handle right now.
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- You say that you "started yesterday with Quina alone; 20 drops. Today I did 20 drops 2x." (end quote)
Starting any tincture with 20 drops can be a big mistake. Doubling that the second day can be an even bigger mistake.
It's best to start with one drop a day for a couple days and see how that goes. Gradual increases are best. Very gradual. -
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- I don't think this is BY Cowden, but a blogger writing ABOUT it. I can't take the energy to assess the points of this or find Cowden's direct site for you.
I did see a few important points in this blog. Quinine can be especially rough and is not to be taken without liver support (that can help protect ears). That's not below but I just know that from previous study.
Quinine is probably the worst one to start with and the worst one to try alone. It can cause all kinds of ear damage, so be very careful. It is not intended to be used alone or in large doses.
Even at low doses, it can cause permanent tinnitus (ringing in the ears) and even hearing loss. Not intended to be used alone, as it requires a something else to help balance it.
Apparently, misuse of quinine can cause some nasty side effects, including death, so please only use this product under your doctor’s supervision.
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Summer3
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Thanks, I've read that article. I normally don't have any problems tolerating medications and I very rarely react at all to herbs. I've always found herxing easier to deal with than what comes when I'm off everything (progression).
I wanted to start with the one that I thought would be the most powerful. I am very severe symptom-wise and cannot allow this to get any worse. I'm literally getting weaker by the day so I'm hoping that starting Quina will halt it. I don't really have time to start at one drop with how severely and rapidly my symptoms are progressing right now. I need to get on something strong enough to stop progression as quickly as possible; before I'm completely unable to function.
I went off a VERY strong oral antibiotic combination that was barely keeping me stagnant so whatever I start next needs to be comparable.
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- I have serious concerns about using only quinine. Please be careful.
There are many reasons for this caution. Just one: If you have Babesia, it could become so much harder to treat as the quinine can create resistance. Babesia (like malaria) should never be treated with a single agent.
Your ears will need EXTRA protection while on that - and for months after going off of it.
Be sure to wear specific decibel rated ear plugs &/or professional muffs when using a vacuum, food processor, blender, any power tools in house or garden, when riding a bus.
Avoid concerts other than very small venues. Avoid sports gatherings with more than a few dozen people. The sound systems are just too much for someone taking quinine, even with ear protection.
Even with a hairdryer, wear ear plugs.
And, avoid all use of in-the-ear pods. Best to avoid music from any headset but, if so, keep the volume as low as possible - and only when necessary such as to drown out noise on a city bus or when walking in city traffic.
Ears can be damaged at decibels much lower than normal when taking quinine, and also with certain antibiotic and certain other Rx and some over the counter products, too.
Protocol for Borrelia and Lyme Co-Infections & Most Chronic Conditions
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Protocol for Borrelia and Lyme Co-Infections & Most Chronic Conditions
The Cowden Support Program (CSP) is a 6-month protocol developed by Wm. Lee Cowden, MD initially for the treatment of Borrelia and Lyme Co-Infections.
Since the protocol helps to resolve the majority of the root causes of most patient's symptoms it can also be used to treat most chronic health conditions.
The Cowden Support Program utilizes 14 different Nutramedix products including 6 Microbial Defense herbals (3 pairs of herbals) that are taken rotationally over at least 6 months. . . . -
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"How to Find a LL ND" Links here, too, with various articles and books by LL doctors -- and HERBAL SAFETY links. -
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