"“So, if you suffer from a chronic degenerative condition and had a positive test for Lyme disease, don’t rush to have antibiotics. What you need to rush to do is to restore your immune system. Number one intervention is the food you eat! If you have digestive symptoms, follow the GAPS Nutritional Protocol. If your digestion is OK, follow the Weston A Price-type diet. As your immune system starts working again, it will deal with Borrelia and lots of other microbes, which you don’t even need to know about. A good percent of people, who test positive for Borrelia, have no symptoms and are healthy and well. Why? Because their immune systems are working properly! And make no mistake: well-functioning human immune system is infinitely cleverer, than any doctor or scientist!"
I think I probably contracted lyme about 5 years ago from a tick bite. I had fever and fatigue, like a flu. The doc decided that I probably had colorado tick fever but treated with doxy anyway. I was fine until 2 months ago. I think what pushed me into disease was going through a terrible summer of forest fire smoke and the resulting allergy. I was miserable for many weeks. When the smoke finally stopped I felt great for one week, then wham. Arthritis which drove me to the doc. I think that forest fire incident pushed me to the max and then to breakdown.
I will never do antibiotics for lyme. It is because of antibiotic use throughout my life that I have had to walk a tight rope with my health. NO MORE!
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Keebler
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- About that link. [my comments are not about diet . . . but about the author suggesting NOT treating lyme.]
Bad advice in suggesting to not address lyme directly, just support. It's negligent. And it will not work for most.
The author had some time with abx first, and may not have had had one of the tougher strains of lyme. May not have had other coinfections. And maybe got lucky, too. Maybe, in that case the time on abx was enough -- but I've seen that "just get the body stronger" idea fail time after time.
Lyme, the toughest strains - dismantle the immune system in some very tweaky ways. The usual methods to "get it stronger" will not work when lyme has flipped it. A much more complex approach that INLCUDES directly targeting lyme is required.
The author could have suggested OTHER ways to directly target lyme, coinfections and all that go along -- nutrition, alone, will not do that for the majority with late-diagnosed lyme.
I wasted 5 years and thousands of dollars with that very idea / protocol in that link. And it was a disaster.
There are other ways to directly target lyme, et.al. and offer support. And, for some, both abx and support do save their day. Still, rife machine, biophoton, specific herbs (not included in that formula they are selling). Blantantly negligent to miss that mark.
An ILADS educated LL ND would best know ALL the other ways to both directly target lyme, et.al. and support with nutrients.
And . . . the product they are selling is not safe for those with lyme. It is not certified to be gluten free. It's made in a plant that also processes wheat products. And that's not gluten free, then. -
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- When considering herbal / nutritional / adjunct methods:
if at all possible - because each person & each case is different - it's best to consult with an ILADS-educated LL ND (lyme literate naturopathic doctor) (or similar) who has completed four years of post-graduate medical education in the field of herbal and nutritional medicine -
- and someone who is current with ILADS' research & presentations, past and present, and has completed the ILADS Physician Training Program (see: www.ilads.org )
Many LL NDs incorporate antibiotics (depending upon the licensing laws in their state). Some LLMDs and LL NDs have good working relationships.
When possible, it's great to have both a LLMD and LL ND and even better when they have a long-standing professional relationship.
Be aware that integrative doctors can have various levels of formal herbal &/or nutritional education, perhaps even just a short course. Do ask first. Some have learned on their own from experts in the field. There are many ways to acquire knowledge and most are eager to share basic details about their training. You want someone with a deep knowledge.
Some of the specialities above may not actually treat lyme yet, for things such as physical adjustments, it is just good that they are also LL, at least to some degree (to know never to suddenly twist the neck or spine).
Links to many articles and books by holistic-minded LL doctors of various degrees who all have this basic approach in common:
Understanding of the importance of addressing the infection(s) fully head-on with specific measures from all corners of medicine;
knowing which supplements have direct impact, which are only support and which are both.
You can compare and contrast many approaches.
BASIC HERBAL EDUCATIONAL & SAFETY links,
BODY WORK links with safety tailored to lyme patients,
& WHY you need an ILADS-educated, Lyme Literate Doctor (whether LLMD or LL ND, or both) -
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I do feel that nutrition is a big piece of the puzzle. It's also a piece that many are reluctant to change.
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I strongly disagree with the paleo diet. Meat is full of iron, arginine and toxins (even if you eat organic). People that eat large amounts of meat have more body order because of the toxic build up. They also are more constipated, not cleansing their systems well.
The infections of lyme disease are protected in biofilms which use iron. In fact one of the ways to prevent the build up of biofilm is to bind the iron before it can be used, with lactoferrin or IP6. You do not want to be eating anything with high amounts of iron. IV chelation with EDTA will help break down biofilm by binding with magnesium and iron.
80% of people with Lyme disease have Protomyszoa Rheumatica. This pathogen produced massive amounts of biofilm that is so tenacious it cannot be removed from petri dishes. You do not want to contribute to the build up of this pathogen!
PR multiplies 100 times faster with lipids and argentine, both of which are highly concentrated in meat, especially red meat. PR also uses iron and magnesium to build biofilm.
The recommended diet for PR is whole foods low fat, low sugar vegan. This is the diet that is putting people into remission, sometimes even without drugs.
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The Paleo diet has been a HUGE benefit to me. I needed the extra fat, and to get off all grains.
It is also mentioned in Dr. H's new book as helping turn the corner for some of us.
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Keebler
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- To be clear, my comments above are not at all relating to the diet / nutrition detail. And not at all saying that nutrition is not absolutely important - it is. But diet, alone, won't cure lyme. Nor will the product they are marketing to those with lyme.
What I find negligent is (that except for a brand new case, immediately after acquiring) their advice to ignore lyme, not even address it, not treat it. That nutrition, alone, will fix lyme .
That is beyond bad advice, it's dangerous and negligent, and uneducated about the science of lyme - and could cost lives.
I also have a problem with the product they are selling not being gluten-free (for a population of patients that are very often advised to be gluten-free). -
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