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You may try Apis Mellifica, a homeopathic remedy for bee and hornet stings. 30c
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Try Apis Mellifica, a homeopathic for bee and hornet stings. 30C
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Thanks patches. Will do! Think I have some in the cabinet...
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It has made my nerves hypersensitive in that arm. Terribly uncomfortable.
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Homeopathic Apis, Ledum & Hypericum may be needed.
Apis - for bee/wasp stings.
Ledum - for insect bites & other puncture wounds, helps antidote venom.
Hypericum - for nerve pain/damage, also for puncture wounds.
If you need all 3, rotate through them taking one remedy, then wait 5 minutes, take the next one, wait 5 minutes and then take the last one.
Do this 2-3x/day for a few days to see if it helps reduce symptoms.
Apis & Ledum probably won't be needed beyond a few days. If the nerve pain persists, then continue taking the Hypericum 2-3x/day until it stops (if the pain lasts more than a week or two, it would be good to consult your LLMD).
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Thanks Razzle
I have both Apis and Ledum. I will just took the Apis, will try the Ledum in 5 mins.
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If it's an allergic reaction, you might try liquid benadryl.
I react to a lot of things and it helps me.
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linky-I'm not sure. I am not itchy at all-it just feels like the darn yellowjacket stung me right near a main nerve.
It feels like when one eats something very spicy and then drinks a hot liquid... but on my arm.
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All the joints in my hand on the side that was bit are sore.
Like real sore and it's hard to make a fist shape.
I swear whatever was in the venom, or whatever my body did to counteract the venom flared the lyme bigtime.
I can't believe this. What a disaster. And the worst part is-when I go outside, I'm like a flying insect attractant.
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You may also need Arnica, it is for injury, pain and shock.
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- ONLY if a life-threatening emergency (most likely if unable to breathe or anaph. shock from an allergic reaction) would EPI be considered. Then, if needed, of course.
Generally, when used in other circumstances, EPI can be a disaster for someone with lyme (and even worse if the heart rhythm is erratic - this is a strong stimulant).
Other options should be explored when possible. Do seek medical care, of course, if needed. Just be aware of this (or of any stimulants). First, though, see what they suggest. Take it from there.
From my file notes:
Epinephrine is in many anesthetics (not sure about anesthesia, though). Some discussion on why epinephrine (EPI) can be a rough ride for someone with lyme (especially if they have adrenal issues):
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- Aside from an allergic emergency, of course,
For topical relief at sting site: STING-KILL
Most pharmacies carry this. -
[ 09-27-2013, 01:59 PM: Message edited by: Keebler ]
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GretaM
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Thank you Razzle. I have Traumeel-the arnica cream.I will rub that on my arm and sting site.
Thank you Keebler for the Epinephrine info. I thought I could recall a fellow lymenet person who had epinephrine by mistake and it caused a major flare.
In your opinion, do you feel that natural adrenaline, has the potential to also cause similar flares in lyme patients?
Just wondering about my heart flip flops. Haven't had that in a while.
Thanks you guys
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STING-KILL...on the list.
Seeing that I'm the flying stinging insect magnet.
Cleo found a great link explaining that bees and mosquitoes are more attracted to infected people because of increased carbon monoxide output.
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- Q: "In your opinion, do you feel that natural adrenaline, has the potential to also cause similar flares in lyme patients?" (end quote)
Absolutely. Without a doubt. -
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Suggest getting Arnica pellets to take under your tongue... The topical Arnica stuff isn't very strong and I have found it ineffective.
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[Also, I've never reacted before. Do people become more sensitized after lyme and co?]
Yes, lyme can make you more sensitive. Progression of age can also cause a different reaction than you would have had at a younger age.
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GretaM
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Thanks everyone for your responses.
This morning I still have a 5" by 5" red patch. Hot to the touch and a bit itchy. I put some diluted thieve's oil on the itch. Helps.
Gosh. I can't believe all this from a hornet?!
My hand feels back to normal, so that's good.
Thank you for your suggestions and support.
Very much appreciated.
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I was stung by a hornet about an hour ago, but had opposie reaction.
Did a search here and found your reaction Greta
I had the stiff achy neck and headache all day. The sting felt really bad, but I pulled out the stinger and noticed now that my stiff neck went away!
It's a painful "cure" but I don't think it's a coincidence.
I wonder why? maybe just due to adrenaline from the pain?
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Hi Marz,
That is interesting that removing the stinger removed the headache also.
Must be either our body's reaction to a puncture or to the venom itself.
I STILL have a round bump the size of a pea where the hornet got me and still have itchiness and redness in the circle around it.
Argh!
I looked under a magnifier to see if I could see a stinger in the bump but it just looks like fluid.
Argh! It's been a month.
Almost like my body surrounded it with inflammation and the venom is stuck?
Marz-do you have any itching?
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We're all different; I do fine with epinephrine.
Hm, Greta, people talk about treatment with bee venom - maybe you got an inadvertent treatment?!
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Strange it would still be a lump after a month! Wonder if you should get it checked? Could the stinger be inside and it swelled over it?
Mine itches only a little. It's just slightly red. Tonight I have some prickly feelings that move around in skin all over but that's going away.
Funny how I was just lowering myself with my hand on the lawn chair armrest and it got me between my fingers at the base of one finger.
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Ouch! Right at the base of the fingers!
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Greta - Please see an allergist to get instructions on when to use an epi pen. It is to used for an anaphylactic reaction, and that can start in many different ways that you would want to talk with your allergist about - not just a breathing situation. The earlier the epi is used, the better chance that it will work.
Luckily, it sounds like your reaction turned out to not be anaphylactic. In that kind of situation, Benadryl can be very helpful. However, allergies are unpredictable and the next reaction may be different.
My (surprisingly Lyme friendly!) allergist said that Lyme seems to be an "on switch" for autoimmune issues, including allergies. I know that I seem to have picked up two new allergies since having it.
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- Indeed, if one is allergic, an EPI PEN is a requirement to have on hand.
An emergency has to bend what might be normal daily operating "rules" - an EPI PEN can save your life if it is needed.
Then, after the emergency had cleared, solid adrenal after-care would be vital, too. -
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OK, thanks for the tips, all
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I cant take it. It causes crazy irregulart heartbeats.
When I was bitten by an asp, like a hornet. I had red streaks up my arm going into my neck. I was dizzy short of breath and couldnt breathe.
Er trip for me....I'm allergic to those critters.
Seems like I've talked to other lyme patients and they have trouble with it too.
I also cant tak any otc cold sinus meds..again crazy heartbeat.
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The same thing happened to me. I was stung 3 times on my foot by what I think was a yellow jacket a few weeks back.
My foot burned so bad all night the night that it happened that I barely could sleep. Then became crazy itchy for days.
On top of that it gave me what felt like a Lyme flare. I think the venom might be neurotoxic.
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